Bricks Shatter Glass at NY Democratic Offices

New York Times ^ | March 22, 2010 | Associated Press

[frogjerk]

Abraham Lincoln was a slaveholder? That’s some revisionist history there for sure.

[Tzfat]

Abraham Lincoln was a slaveholder? That’s some revisionist history there for sure.

Never said he was. His in-laws certainly were. But if you think that the war was about slavery then you are the one that does not know history. Like the "healthcare" debate today - slavery was only one way the issues were brought out. Abraham Lincoln strengthened the Federal governement in ways our founding fathers never intended.

[frogjerk]

Never said he was. His in-laws certainly were

And so you are trying to charge the Great Emancipator as being a hypocrite on slavery by being related to people who may have had slaves, yet he freed them anyway? Your post doesn't make any sense.

Abraham Lincoln strengthened the Federal governement in ways our founding fathers never intended.

Yes, by insisting that we actually mean what we say when we state "All men are created equal"

[frogjerk]

Then the fall of 1818 brought the hardest blow: Nancy had died of the “milk sickness”, leaving Abraham without the mother whom he deeply loved. Some time later, Thomas had taken the buckboard and the mule, and left Abraham and Sarah on their own for two weeks; when he returned, he was with a new wife, Sarah Bush Johnson; she immediately made up for the absence of Nancy by replacing Abraham’s corn husk mattress with one of down, winning him over the first day. The new step-mother treated both children with an even hand (she herself was a widow with three children, whom she had brought), but she became very fond of Abraham, and he in turn was fond of her, referring to her as his “angel mother” for the rest of his life.”

It is truly a testament to what true love can do for a child. This love gave the United States of America a great leader.

People who downplay the effects of abortion cannot honestly ask "Where are all the great leaders?".

[MECfist]

“KRYSTALLNACHT PART DIEUX...........”

Really? I’m surprised. Don’t make what they say about us true.

[Red Badger]

That IS what they will say about these things. That’s what I meant...................

[palmer]

Like the "healthcare" debate today - slavery was only one way the issues were brought out.

Tzfat's point is valid since that is how frogjerk just characterized the Civil War (as a war against slavery). There were plenty of rights that were stomped on to save the Union, which has its pluses and minuses. But it is pretty revisionist to say those rights were stomped on to free the slaves.

Now we see one of the minuses of saving the Union but is it really Lincoln's fault that Obama can now stage this coup? Or is it our own fault.