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Will Kirk face conservative foe in Senate race against Giannoulias?
http://www.chicagobusiness.com ^ | Feb 2010 | Greg Hinz

Posted on 02/18/2010 7:52:35 AM PST by Maelstorm

So far, it's just talk — and there's good reason to think it never will amount to more than that.

But some conservative Republicans indeed are chattering about the possibility of fielding a hard-right champion to run this fall as an independent or third-party candidate for the U.S. Senate against Republican nominee Mark Kirk and Democrat Alexi Giannoulias.

Fueling the talk is the fact that Mr. Kirk, a North Shore congressman who is considered a political moderate, got only about 56% of the vote in last week's GOP primary despite very strong backing from the Republican establishment.

Given that, "Mark Kirk would be very wise to listen to what some of the conservatives have to say," says Family-PAC's Paul Caprio, whose group has very strong feelings about the abortion issue.

"There are a lot of people who fear Mark could become another Arlen Specter," adds Mr. Caprio, referring to the Pennsylvania senator who recently left the GOP to become a Democrat.

But another top conservative activist, former gubernatorial hopeful Dan Proft, says the talk thus far is "nothing I take seriously. A lot of folks with grand visions and no plan. . . .I don't see anything credible on the horizon, at least not yet."

Indeed, no champion yet has emerged, though some say Matteson physician Eric Wallace, who considered running for the Senate last fall and still has a campaign Web site, or the Constitution Party's Randall Stufflebeam might do it.

Meanwhile, the Kirk campaign appears to be taking nothing for granted.

The congressman met right after the election with businessman Patrick Hughes and others who ran against him in the primary. Further, as yet unspecified outreach efforts reportedly are on the way.

Bottom line, the big conservative groups with the big money stayed out of the primary, and there's no sign they'd rather Mr. Giannoulias win. National Republicans say they're not concerned.

But any third candidate could create real problems for Mr. Kirk in this predominantly Democratic state. Team Kirk will need to be careful, because the situation could change, and definitely is worth watching.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: 2010midterms; bloggersandpersonal; gopprimary; il2010; kirk
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Why do people insist on calling Kirk a Moderate? He is no such thing. A moderate doesn't vote 100% of the time against the second amendment. A moderate doesn't vote 100% of the time against life and get a 100% rating from NARAL. The guy is a liberal. He voted for Cap and Trade. This guy is the darling of environmentalists, gay rights activists, pro abortion and anti-gun nuts. I doubt their are any Republicans in the Senate as liberal as this guy. If you Hate Rhinos this guy is an uber Rhino. I personally can't figure out why he is a Republican at all. This guy is like the return of Lincoln Chafee.
1 posted on 02/18/2010 7:52:35 AM PST by Maelstorm
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To: Maelstorm

I don’ care if Kirk is a “moderate” or not. He won the nomination fair and square. NO THIRD PARTIES. Period. This is a stupid idea.


2 posted on 02/18/2010 7:55:37 AM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: Maelstorm
That's a good idea if you want a democrat to be elected.
3 posted on 02/18/2010 7:56:13 AM PST by liberalcide1
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To: Maelstorm

A 3rd party run will hand the seat to the Greek thug.

Kirk will give us a seat in a very blue state and vote with us 60% plus of the time.

Resko’s guy will keep the Dems in power and vote with us 0% of the time.

The time to beat the RINO is in the primary. Get over it.


4 posted on 02/18/2010 7:56:56 AM PST by nhwingut (Palin/Bachmann '12)
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To: Maelstorm

‘moderate’ is a term used by squirrels because they are correctly afraid to use the real one.


5 posted on 02/18/2010 8:00:02 AM PST by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: SmokingJoe
Joe, we need to make an exception in Kirk's case.
He is even more liberal than Scozzafava, and that's saying something.
I support a 3rd party run against Kirk and the Rat.
6 posted on 02/18/2010 8:00:05 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Islam is incompatible with American traditions and values)
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To: Maelstorm

In no way would a conservative third-party candidate have even the remotest chance of winning. Hughes lost badly in the primary. Yes, Kirk is a turd for having voted for cap and tax, but he’s strong on immigration issues. Launching a third-party effort there when the GOP has a chance of landing that seat automatically hands it to the dem, who will march 100% to 0bama’s drum. At this point the third-party idea is a stupid one.


7 posted on 02/18/2010 8:01:38 AM PST by ScottinVA (Glad to see Demonic Unhinged (DU) highlights and attacks my FR comments!)
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I support a 3rd party run against Kirk and the Rat.

To accomplish nothing but hand the seat to the dem. Bad idea.

8 posted on 02/18/2010 8:03:07 AM PST by ScottinVA (Glad to see Demonic Unhinged (DU) highlights and attacks my FR comments!)
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To: SmokingJoe

“I don’ care if Kirk is a “moderate” or not. He won the nomination fair and square. NO THIRD PARTIES. Period. This is a stupid idea.”

Agreed. he won the primary fair and square. this was not a back room deal it was not an appointment he won a primary election
now i hope he wins the general election
a rightward third party candidate will keep the seat for the Dems period


9 posted on 02/18/2010 8:03:24 AM PST by DM1
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To: SmokingJoe

Damn right. I can’t stand moderates.

But they do vote against the Dem for majority leader. He won fair and square. Time to back the GOP. That’s what primaries are for. Now, it’s time to whip the Dems!


10 posted on 02/18/2010 8:03:27 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Maelstorm
Kirk is a RINO, but one that reacts well to threats. So long as the Tea Party, or whatever follows it, makes it clear to him he will be primaried in six years if the breaks ranks he can be kept under control. He isn't a doctrinal liberal, he just does what it takes to keep a seat on the north side. So make it clear that "what it takes" to keep his seat is voting conservative.

He is slime, but the alternative is to put in a hard core lib who served as banker for the Chicago mob. No thanks.

We could have stopped him in the primary, but the Conservatives ran 3 candidates and split up their vote. In doing so they handed the nomination to Super RINO. Now they want to split the vote again and turn the Senate seat over to Progressive Mobster Man. Great plan there.
11 posted on 02/18/2010 8:04:04 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: nhwingut
A 3rd party run will hand the seat to the Greek thug.

Good.

Kirk will give us a seat in a very blue state and vote with us 60% plus of the time.

He will not. Kirk is pro-abortion - even for partial-birth abortion. He is pro-cap and trade, and he supports amnesty and big spending. No thanks.

Resko’s guy will keep the Dems in power and vote with us 0% of the time

I would honestly have the Dem win rather than Kirk.

The time to beat the RINO is in the primary. Get over it.

There wasn't enough time. Dems rigged the IL primary for Zero when he ran for President to the 1st week of February. With all the attention paid to Hoffman and then to Brown, not to mention Christmas and New Year's, how the Hell can a conservative candidate mobilize in time?

12 posted on 02/18/2010 8:04:06 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Islam is incompatible with American traditions and values)
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To: Maelstorm

Mark Kirk: the Return of Lincoln Chaffee! LOL!

Hopefully Kirk will keep his word and organize with the GOP, but I fear I see a Jumpin’ Jim Jeffords and a Slip-Sliding Spector on the horizon.

Expect him to vote with the Dems 80% of the time....in a good year.


13 posted on 02/18/2010 8:05:27 AM PST by cookcounty (Let us not speak of the honor of men. Rather, let us bind them with the Constitution. --Jefferson)
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To: ScottinVA
To accomplish nothing but hand the seat to the dem. Bad idea

Why don't you examine Kirk's socialist voting record and get back to me.
I supposed you criticized Hoffman for handing NY-23 to the Rat right.

14 posted on 02/18/2010 8:07:06 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Islam is incompatible with American traditions and values)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
The difference between Scozzafava and Kirk is, Scozzafava wasn't chosen by voters, but by a bunch pf GOP county chairmen, in a very sleazy backroom deal.
Kirk was chosen by 56% of voters in Illinois. That's what counts. Not to mention, Kirk's Democratic opponent is a corrupt guy, that is as tight with 0bama as Rham Emanuel is. Why the heck would you back a third party, split the Republican vote, and let 0bama’s close pal win?
15 posted on 02/18/2010 8:08:09 AM PST by SmokingJoe
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If Kirk wins, he’s going to screw the Republicans over royally. If the GOP wins back the WH in 2012, he’s going to be the liberal media and Dems go-to guy for stopping GOP legislation. Mark my words...


16 posted on 02/18/2010 8:09:10 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Islam is incompatible with American traditions and values)
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To: SmokingJoe

(I agree. This is an “R” pickup right now. Running a third party candidate turns it back to “D”. Illinois is a “Blue” State and for an “R” to win it will have to be a flat out decision between the two parties.


17 posted on 02/18/2010 8:09:36 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: ScottinVA

Hughes lost because there were too many conservatives running alongside him. Also Kirk ran in the primary like a coward and refused to participate in any debates. Also I don’t believe a real conservative can’t win in Illinois. The problem in Illinois is lack of organization and conviction. Kirk will probably lose to the Democrat simply because he isn’t much different. If I were the Democrat I’d run ads focusing on Kirk’s record as a liberal. There were individuals like Peter Roskam who would’ve made a much better candidate given the current environment. Instead we get two liberals to choose from. That isn’t a choice and we don’t need Kirk in the Senate muddying the waters.


18 posted on 02/18/2010 8:10:08 AM PST by Maelstorm (We are umbilicaled to a parasitic beast that feeds off one man so to enslave another to dependency.)
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To: SmokingJoe
Why the Hell do you want a pro-partial birth abortionist Republican pig to win?

Yes he won the nomination "fair and square" in your eyes but it wasn't fair. There was no time for conservatives to mobilize against him in the primary and the gutless IL GOP did nothing to change the rules back when the Dems rigged it for Obama.

19 posted on 02/18/2010 8:11:09 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Islam is incompatible with American traditions and values)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

NY23 was totally different. You know that. I don’t like Kirk’s record as much as the next conservative, but he did win the primary by a big margin. The voters in Illinois have spoken.


20 posted on 02/18/2010 8:11:47 AM PST by SmokingJoe
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