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France Moves Ahead on Ban of Full-Face Veils and Burkas
aol.com ^ | 01/27/2010 | Dana Kennedy

Posted on 01/27/2010 12:04:48 AM PST by TheThinker

NICE, France (Jan. 26) -- French lawmakers said Tuesday they want to ban Muslim women from veiling their faces in public facilities, a plan applauded by some French Muslim women but criticized by Muslim leaders, who said it could provoke Islamic extremists in France and abroad.

A parliamentary panel convened six months ago by French President Nicolas Sarkozy on Tuesday issued a much-anticipated, 200-page report recommending that women be banned from wearing the full-face veil in public office buildings, schools, hospitals and while using mass transit. The full-face veil is viewed by many in France as a sign of extremism and a threat to gender equality and secularism.

Sarkozy began the debate in June when he said that the full-face veil was "not welcome" in France, currently home to more than 5 million Muslims, the largest such population in Europe. At present, fewer than 2,000 Muslim women wear the full-face veil in France, according to Interior Ministry statistics. veiled woman in france Christophe Ena, AP Faiza Silmi, 32, a woman of Moroccan origin living in France, could face sanctions if the country proceeds with its plans to ban full veils and burqas in public.

Lawmaker André Gerin, the president of the 32-person, multiparty parliamentary panel, has called the full-face veil in France "the visible part of the iceberg" and warned that "behind the iceberg is a black tide of fundamentalism."

A group called Ni Putes Ni Soumises (Neither Whores Nor Submissives), which represents French women of North African origin, agrees. On Monday night in Paris, members demonstrated in support of the burqa ban by donning full veils and maintaining silence to indicate suppression.

"We must say no to the burqa," said Sihem Habchi, the group's president. "Women's rights are not merely a matter of a few inches of fabric, but the burqa is a symbol of oppression against women."

But some members of the Muslim establishment in France say Sarkozy has pushed for the burqa ban because it's an attention-getting move designed to win over women voters and the left.

Mohammed Moussaoui, leader of the government-sponsored Muslim Religion Council, has said that while Islam does not require women to wear full-face veils, banning them would "stigmatize" Muslim women, as he claims they were by a 2004 law forbidding headscarves and other expressions of religious allegiance in French public schools.

"It's a false debate," said Mohamed Iboudaaten, a regional president of the Muslim Religion Council, said Tuesday. "It's a political strategy by Sarkozy. The full-face veil is not an issue in France."

But Iboudaaten warned that the panel's report could cause trouble. "It's not good because it will provoke Muslims not only here in France but in the world," he said.

Hassen Chalghoumi, a controversial imam who supports the burka ban, claimed that about 80 men burst into his mosque in the Paris suburb of Drancy on Monday night. He contended that some of them grabbed a microphone and told the 200 worshippers inside the mosque that he was a "nonbeliever" and an "apostate" and threatened to "liquidate" him. The incident could not be independently confirmed.

French television broadcast debates and reports on the controversy all day Tuesday and featured a number of interviews with French Muslims wearing full burqas.

One woman, identified only as "Nelly," who said she was a gym teacher in a public school, defended her right to wear the full-face veil.

"I teach my students, I travel all over the country and do everything any other woman does," she told French TV. "Wearing a burqa is my choice, and it doesn't prevent me from living my life like anyone else."

The panel's recommendation for the ban will not lead immediately to a new law. Any action on the report would not come before March regional elections and may first take the form of a resolution simply denouncing the veil.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ban; burkas; france; frenchmuslims; muslimwomen
Hopefully, America won't have to do all the heavy lifting...
1 posted on 01/27/2010 12:04:49 AM PST by TheThinker
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To: TheThinker
"but criticized by Muslim leaders, who said it could provoke Islamic extremists in France and abroad."

Islam is the religion of peace. But, don't provoke us or will get violent. Why is this circular logic lost on so many?

I also loathe the word "extremists". Extremist tends to conjure up images of a disenfranchised minority, when it appears that's the furthest from the truth. It seems that these "extremist" happen to be very mainstream in many circles, are very well funded and not at all a minority, but perhaps even a plurality.

2 posted on 01/27/2010 12:09:40 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand
It's a Police and Security Issue. A male bomber may be hiding behind the veil when the Police think it's a woman.

The second problem is identification which is done via photographs on Drivers Licenses and such.

The question is whether France is strong enough to withstand the challenge.

3 posted on 01/27/2010 12:18:14 AM PST by sr4402
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To: sr4402

For the first time in my adult life I am proud to be of French descent.


4 posted on 01/27/2010 12:30:25 AM PST by growingpains
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To: OldDeckHand

Wall, to call somebody an extremist doesn’t really say HOW he or she got to become extreme. One can become extreme just by believing a bunch of gobbledygook.


5 posted on 01/27/2010 12:31:17 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Be careful, the Muzzies might get violent - oh wait, never mind.


6 posted on 01/27/2010 12:34:34 AM PST by JMS
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To: TheThinker
burqa is a symbol of oppression against women

I wonder why American women's groups are so silent and the burka is being worn in the USA.

7 posted on 01/27/2010 12:40:40 AM PST by oyez ( damnant quod non intelligunt)
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To: sr4402
We were in Sam’s Club a couple weeks ago and there was a Muslim couple walking around with the woman very pregnant and in the full costume with her face completely covered. My wife saw her next in the bathroom and she was making noise in the stall next to her that sounded like items dropping on the floor. When she came out of the stall my wife noticed that her pregnant tummy looked cockeyed. She and another woman in the bathroom confronted the woman because they were fairly certain she wasn’t pregnant and they both suspected she was shoplifting by stuffing items into some type of container she had hidden under her costume. The woman would not respond. After she left the bathroom the couple quickly headed for the door without the cart they had previously been pushing around. My wife and the other lady went to a store employee. Sam’s Club employees said they couldn’t do anything.
8 posted on 01/27/2010 12:54:03 AM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: oyez
I wonder why American women's groups are so silent and the burka is being worn in the USA.

Because most are shills for the Democrat party. The rest are afraid to criticize openly like too many Americans because the Left will attack.

9 posted on 01/27/2010 1:00:21 AM PST by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenerio at a time.)
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To: TheThinker
The French are not infinitly patient.

Immigrants are supposed to meld into their society.

Comea day we may see some serious violent push back by the French on the muslims and the government will not stop it.

The French always get going late, but when they do they can be extremely violent.

10 posted on 01/27/2010 3:42:20 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: TheThinker

This is a good article to have out there. I think when these people migrate to foreign lands & then supposedly integrate into the society, then they must relinquish their oppressive pasts or upbringing. Aside from the security issues involved, they keep themselves isolated from western culture by retaining this part of their clothing. If they don’t want to integrate properly into western culture, then they shouldn’t be here.

Kudos to Sarkozy on this one!


11 posted on 01/27/2010 4:29:06 AM PST by Atom Smasher
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