January 19, 1807-October 12, 1870
63 years old at his death, I wonder how old he was here?
Posted on 01/05/2010 3:28:41 PM PST by BigReb555
‘zat you Wlat?
With that hateful “they were pure evil and deserved to die” mentality you would have warmed the cockles of Sherman’s heart on the March to the Sea.
In other words, it was the Republicans who were looking to overturn 75 years of American legal and Constitutional history and precedent, and the Democrats who were looking to maintain what had been the law of the land since the U.S. Constitution had been drafted and the "three-fifths compromise" adopted at the Philadelphia Convention of 1787 and included in Article 1, Section 2 of the Constitution.
I'd go even further and suggest that from a military standpoint the Civil War was fought under some of the most incompetent leadership this nation had seen up to that point. A perfect case in point is that both sides used the same "massed regiment" battlefield tactics that should have been rendered obsolete after the Colonists were so effective against the British using "Indian warfare" tactics nearly 100 years earlier.
For those interested.
Article V
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.
13th Amendment
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
January 19, 1807-October 12, 1870
63 years old at his death, I wonder how old he was here?
From the Sermon on the Mount:
"The disciple is not above his teacher, nor the bondman above his lord.
[It is] sufficient for the disciple that he should become as his teacher, and the bondman as his lord."
Matthew 10:24-25
Carry on, Slavocrats! LOL
No, Lee was loyal to his state and his people. Lee was an American hero and a paragon of the Southern virtue that perished in that war as opposed to Grant who was a lush and Sherman who was a war criminal.
When I noted that most Freepers are favorable to Robert E. Lee, you responded,
Only those perpetuating a dead ideology from 145 years ago. I'll excuse the ignorant. Just remember, whether Lee was called a traitor or just a disloyal American, never forget where Arlington National Cemetery was located and why.However, if you search through the Lee threads on FR, you will find that the vast majority are favorable. Most negative remarks about him concern not his supposed "treason," but rather his judgment as a military strategist and tactician.
No, I haven't forgotten where Arlington National Cemetery is located, and why--it is on land that was illegally seized from the Lee family by the federal government.
My responses about Lee have all been on the mark. What I posted is 100% correct. There is no comeback and no defense for Lee's treason. The fact his family home was turned into the nations national memorial cemetery based on his despicbale Civil War actions, says it all and punctuates his treason for all to see. Whether some consider Lee an exemplary soldier, or a rotten battlefield tactician isn't the issue. The historic facts surrounding Lee all have to do with his leading a rebellious army against the USA. Lee willfully chose to turn his back on America and join other southerners in tearing this great nation apart, leading to the deaths of over 600,000 Americans. Why? Because the South wanted to perpetuate slavery and see its expansion. Lee had his chance to defend America from the forces of evil. Instead of remaining loyal to America, Lee chose to join the forces of evil. President Andrew Johnson, a southern by birth, pardoned Lee and all the other confederates for the act of treason against the USA. Sadly, President Ford reinstated Lee's citizenship in 1975. Even so, the black mark of treason remains part of history and on Lee's record, for all time.
Since the end of the Civil War slavery remained an issue well into the 1960`s. Black Americans continued to be killed by violent extremists belonging to racist groups like the Klan. Today the KKK and neonazi skinhead groups help to perpetuate the ugly side of America that can be traced back to the Civil War, back to its President, Jefferson Davis and its top military leader, Robert E. Lee. Robert E. Lee, the man and the myth, the American traitor.
Thanks for playing along. It was fun.
The practice, usually by liberals, of invoking the KKK and the Nazis as boogiemen, is becoming shopworn. The Nazis have been defunct since 1945, while the neo-Nazi skinheads, arguably their successors, never seem to have amounted to much--I, for one, have never seen a neo-Nazi skinhead. And the KKK faded away about 40 years ago,
You guys need to find a new straw man.
He certainly is a hero to me, and a great role model. I believe that Lee envisioned a true Union of sovereign states, not a nation in which the states are becoming mere provinces under the jackboot of an increasingly powerful central government.
What I find unbelievable and a bit troubling is there are still people pushing the Dixiecrat-Slavocrat agenda on a conservative forum like FR. Otherwise, my post was on the money, again. Lee and his treasonous actions against America is part of the record that most everyone, aside from the hardcore confederate revisionists, understands and accepts for the reality of history it speaks of.
If the KKK is still around, then where is it? I have never seen a Klansman and don’t know anyone who has. If they do exist, they don’t do much, since they’re never in the news. I believe the KKK exists primarily as a figment of the liberal imagination.
And I have yet to see anyone pushing a Dixiecrat-Slavocrat agenda on this board. The Dixiecrat movement faded away in the middle of the last century, and the only ones today promoting anything resembling slavery are labor union bosses.
You can not be serious. Its clearly evident that posters have been pushing the Dixiecrat-Slavocrat agenda right on this thread. Even more so on this thread.
You've even posted a quote from Jesus at RE:#67 on this thread defending slavery. You posted a confederate flag in response to my quote of Jefferson Davis saying, "Slavery was established by decree of Almighty God." And since last Thursday you've been passionately defending and promoting Robert E. Lee as a glorious hero and great role model, right on this thread.
You posted: ... [Robert E. Lee] certainly is a hero to me, and a great role model.
Robert E. Lee, along with Jefferson Davis, were directly responsible for the deaths of more Americans, over 600,000, then Hitler, Mussolini, Hirohito, Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden, COMBINED! Calling Lee a role model is like calling Joseph Stalin a role model.
>>>>>If the KKK is still around, then where is it? I have never seen a Klansman and don’t know anyone who has.
LOL, playing games again. The KKK, along with other white supremacists like neonazis and skinheads, don't do their nasty business in the open. As you well know, David Duke is the most famous Klansman of recent vintage. Along with liberal Democrat Senator Robert Byrd, a former grand poobah of the KKK. Just two examples.
Your figure is wrong. The War of Southern Independence took the lives of about 250,000 Americans and 350,000 Yankees.
Spoken like a good Dixicrat-Slavocrat. Only took you four days.
Would you consider a Muslim US army officer who resigned his commission and went off to fight alongside the Taliban against the army and the flag he'd sworn an oath to as a hero? Or would he be a traitor?
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