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Unrepealable? (DeMint questions about rules changes in bill requiring 2/3 vote and senate adjourns)
NRO ^ | 12/22/09 | Rober Costa

Posted on 12/22/2009 8:56:56 AM PST by cornelis

Sen. Jim DeMint (R., S.C.) has thumbed through Harry Reid's manager's amendment and discovered some "particularly troubling" rule-change provisions, especially with regards to the proposed Independent Medicare Advisory Board, which he finds could be unrepealable:


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhohealthcare; demint; healthcare; military; obama; obamacare; palin; ruleschange; senate; twothirds
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DeMint challenges Democrates on rules

1 posted on 12/22/2009 8:56:57 AM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis

The bill on its face is unconstitutional regardless of the content since Article 1 Section 8 does not specifically grant Congress the power to regulate health care.


2 posted on 12/22/2009 9:00:17 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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DEMINT: and so the language you see in this bill that specifically refers to a change in a rule is not a rule change, it’s a procedure change?

THE PRESIDING OFFICER: that is correct.

DEMINT: then I guess our rules mean nothing, do they, if they can redefine them. Thank you. and I do yield back.

THE PRESIDING OFFICER: the senate stands adjourned until 7:00 a.m. tomorrow.


3 posted on 12/22/2009 9:00:20 AM PST by cornelis
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This sets up a complete dictatorship by our government. It must be illegal according to our Constitution. Each State needs to file suit in Superior Court and do it now before a vote is taken.


4 posted on 12/22/2009 9:01:01 AM PST by RC2
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To: cornelis

I’d ride this ship all the way down Reid’s throat ever chance I got on the Senate floor or before a camera.


5 posted on 12/22/2009 9:01:19 AM PST by cranked
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To: cornelis

Basically, the Democrats have conveniened a constitutional convention where only THEY get to vote. It is illegal to bind future legislative bodies.

Textbooks used to call this tyranny.


6 posted on 12/22/2009 9:03:01 AM PST by Obadiah (Obama: Chains you can believe in!)
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THE PRESIDING OFFICER: the senate stands adjourned until 7:00 a.m. tomorrow.

Reid was counting every minute to try to squeeze in the minimum required debate time after invoking cloture to get to the vote on Christmas Eve. Did this 11.5 hour adjournment screw up that time, or it the time when the Senate isn't in session between this adjournment (7:30 last night) until 7am today included in the post-cloture debate time?

7 posted on 12/22/2009 9:03:06 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Gore is the fifth horseman of the apocalypse. He rides an icy horse bringing cold wherever he goes.)
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To: cornelis

later look.


8 posted on 12/22/2009 9:03:07 AM PST by marvlus
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To: Man50D; holdonnow; Clintonfatigued; romanesq; justiceseeker93; ElkGroveDan; rodguy911; SkyPilot; ...

Can we mobilize a huge team of conservative lawyers to file suit against these thugs (US Congress) as a group and individually?


9 posted on 12/22/2009 9:04:53 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead (Clean the RAT/RINO Sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: cornelis

Brilliant.


10 posted on 12/22/2009 9:05:04 AM PST by kabar
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particularly troubling” rule-change provisions,

These people are going to use rules towards us because they know we follow them.


11 posted on 12/22/2009 9:05:46 AM PST by ColdOne (ColdOne (Merry Christmas))
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I’m going to re-watch and read this for a full understanding. It seems that we actually have bona-fide tyrants in the Senate.


12 posted on 12/22/2009 9:05:59 AM PST by Loud Mime (Liberalism is a Socialist Disease)
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To: cornelis

This makes the Republicans, Disidente Juan McCain in particular, look like the boobs they are for always ceding power when they get it. They play nice when they should be hard as steel.

When the Democrats get in power they play for keeps.


13 posted on 12/22/2009 9:06:40 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (:: The government will do for health care what it did for real estate. ::)
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This won`t make it to the USSC, and even if it did the courts are so enraptured with judicial activism they`ll find in favor of the US govt.

Article I, Section 5:

Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behavior, and, with the Concurrence of two-thirds, expel a Member.


14 posted on 12/22/2009 9:06:54 AM PST by Para-Ord.45
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If this travesty is unrepealable, then there is only one action to take.


15 posted on 12/22/2009 9:07:41 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Loud Mime

Indeed
and it seems there is NOTHING we can do
Stunning
MSM will not report on the tyranny being brought down on us


16 posted on 12/22/2009 9:08:38 AM PST by RWGinger
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To: cornelis

bookmark


17 posted on 12/22/2009 9:08:38 AM PST by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: Obadiah
It is illegal to bind future legislative bodies.

It's not illegal, you just can't do it. Future Congress can always do whatever they want, including modifying any provision that requires a supermajority.

18 posted on 12/22/2009 9:09:24 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Repeal the Congress.


19 posted on 12/22/2009 9:09:41 AM PST by Tuxedo (The seeds of the next Revolution are sown....)
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To: cornelis

not clear on how anything can be “unrepealable” that is set by a vote.

wont a future vote just undo it?


20 posted on 12/22/2009 9:12:20 AM PST by beebuster2000
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