Posted on 12/03/2009 8:35:52 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
I love these threads, GGG.
There's always a few statements like these for hilarity.
“Going Cartoony” - I like it. Please tell us more about the “wild days of the internet”, seriously. The internet has obviously evolved but remember it’s still the internet.
What about animals? And people for example?
I’ve yet to find any information that indicates that a change in the number of chromosomes produces or ever has produced a beneficial change. At best, it might be neutral, if there are other factors involved.
http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/handbook/mutationsanddisorders/chromosomalconditions
http://www.genetics.com.au/pdf/factsheets/fs06.pdf
Are you saying then that this is the case only for humans? That it is not representative across the board in the animal kingdom? Do changes in the number of chromosomes have no effect or a beneficial one in animals only but not humans?
Examples please.
We just read what it says, comparing spiritual with spiritual and physical with physical. It’s really not hard when you have the Holy Spirit.
2Pe 1:19-21 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
God undoubtedly says what He means. Unfortunately, MEN wrote the Bible, MEN translated the Bible, and MEN argue about what particular passages mean.
The issue is, do you take the Bible absolutely literally, or not. Based on the authorship and translations, I do not.
So has anyone died as a result of the communist manifesto? Was the media to blame for the deaths during the riots when they lied about US soldiers using the Koran as toilet paper?
Previously your statement was that it would always be deleterious; as in... “I have yet to be informed of any changes in the number of chromosomes which has not had a deleterious effect on the individual in which it occurs.”
Now it has to be a beneficial change? Why?
And why do you think there would be a difference in the general genetic principle I outlined between humans and non-human animals? Are you ignorant enough to think genetics works differently in humans?
http://www.springerlink.com/content/x070p137m7114334/
Here is a study on a population of grasshoppers that seem MORE subject to chromosomal fusion. The grasshoppers lived and reproduced just fine with two or more of their chromosomes packaged together rather than separate and they had an increased rate of chromosomal fusion that that observed in the natural population (for those of you in Rio Linda, that means that this DOES happen in the natural population, just not as frequently).
Is the underlying concept REALLY that hard for you to understand such that I have to repeat it to you every couple of months or so?
Chromosomal abnormalities that change gene copy number lead to problems because you have either three copies of something you really need to only have two of, or only one copy of something you really need two copies of.
If two people each have two copies of every gene they need two copies of- but one has them packaged in 46 different packages, and the other in 45 different packages - do you think somehow in someway it is going to cause the same problems as having only one copy or having three copies of a gene?
I realize it’s not a question and topic you are familiar with but do try to understand it. After all, you did ask, didn’t you?
I’m using MEN in that post as a synonym for HUMANS, not a slight on the ladies.
Men did not write the Bible. To believe that discredits it. Why would you believe any of it if it were written by men?
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Men did translate it but they translated God’s words accurately. I know that because Christ said:
Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
God gives us the formula for interpreting His Word and ultimately those people who doubt its authorship interpret it wrong.
1Cr 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Read it as if you were testing God. Challenge God saying, “If your word is true, prove it to me while I read.” Let is say what it says, don’t try to find symbolism or contradictions, not saying you wont find it. See what happens. Start with the Gospel of John, then read Romans, then Psalm 119.
Whether the precise center is the Earth or the sun (considering the solar system as a part of Earth) is not completely determinable, but by Gods word, the Earth is the center, and the cosmos was expanded from that center.
This is completely supported by astronomic observation. The equal distribution of the visible bodies in all directions has been noted by all of the major astronomers.
And you refuse to answer. How telling.
Why are you so resistant to learning even the most simple and basic things about genetics. Years of discussion and not one bit of actual information has penetrated. Now that seems pretty dense.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2108022/posts?page=707
Chromosomal fusion would not lead to aneuploidy problems.
Aneuploidy like Downs syndrome, Klinefelters, etc are either a loss of an entire chromosome or the gain of an extra copy of a chromosome.
Chromosomal fusion is just a rearrangement of the same genes in 23 packages (x2) rather than 24 packages (x2).
No muss no fuss.
There are even the relics of an unused centromere on Chromosome two and telomeres where the fused chromosomes used to end.
Just a bit of research would answer your questions.
I’m so amazed by the goodness of God in allowing a wicked, sorry, loser like me to have so much access to His Word. I’m thankful His Spirit has shown me that His Word is truth and that He’s true even when all men are liars. I’m not more deserving of that grace then the evos. It took sovereign grace to cause me to believe or I’d be just like them.
Did you ever read anywhere that I said that? Do you really think I think that? Or are you setting up your straw man?
According to the traditional, historical-grammatical interpretation of Genesis, it should be read as straightforward history. Do you deny that this is the Church’s standard, traditional interpretation of Genesis?
How can history be pre-historic?
Now you’re just plain lying.
I’ve been an amateur astronomer (hobbyist) for almost 40 years and never, ever heard such a thing.
Please cite all the “major astronomers” who have made this claim.
You still can’t answer, can you?
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