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Democrats: "ClimateGate" Leak A Non-Scandal
CBS news ^ | December 2, 2009

Posted on 12/02/2009 5:20:33 PM PST by penelopesire

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Beam Me to Planet Gore !

21 posted on 12/02/2009 6:10:11 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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To: MajorThomas

Scary stuff. These people are not going to go quietly. It’s going to come to civil war imho. This is the last straw. If they refuse to investigate and do it right..it’s time to take this country back by force if neccessary.


22 posted on 12/02/2009 6:13:44 PM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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"....But Democrats put a brave face on it on Wednesday, with Massachusetts Rep. Ed Markey saying that the leaked files and allegations of scientific misconduct should not stand in the way of the U.S. Congress swiftly enacting cap and trade legislation to reduce carbon dioxide emissions."

Politicians: The last to know.

23 posted on 12/02/2009 6:15:26 PM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: penelopesire

I concur 100%


24 posted on 12/02/2009 6:17:12 PM PST by MajorThomas (Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.)
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To: refermech
I think these people really don't know what carbon dioxide is.

If you handed them a cup and warned them that it's full of hydrogen dioxide, and that hydrogen dioxide has caused numerous deaths, they would throw the cup away in horror and run out the room.

25 posted on 12/02/2009 6:17:23 PM PST by the anti-liberal
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To: penelopesire

Please watch...


26 posted on 12/02/2009 6:18:45 PM PST by MajorThomas (Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.)
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To: Ramcat

The democrat marxist pols know what is going on..they are up to their eyeballs in this scam!


27 posted on 12/02/2009 6:21:49 PM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: the anti-liberal

Unfortunately you are correct. I’m no chemist but I do have a rudimentary understanding of my suroundings and how things work. The bottom line is the masses are being manipulated big time.


28 posted on 12/02/2009 6:26:15 PM PST by refermech
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To: MajorThomas

AWESOME!! Thanks for sharing that. Going to find some money to send that patriot! May the Lord bless him and take him to victory. We need more people like him in Congress!


29 posted on 12/02/2009 6:29:00 PM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: penelopesire; cripplecreek; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; ...

Go here for the graphs and pictures

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/05/gore-schumer-and-pelosi-let-them-eat.html

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Saturday, May 03, 2008

Gore, Schumer and Pelosi: Let them eat dirt

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It all started out as a simple, money-making scam. In the late 1990’s, members of the UN’s International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) were tasked with assessing the scientific validity of the Kyoto Protocol.

They subsequently produced the Special Report on Land Use, Land Use Change, and Forestry. The report found that “carbon offsets” and “carbon trading” were viable ways to barter the right to pollute for new forestry initiatives.

But members of the panel, such as Pedro Moura-Costa (above) and Gareth Philips, had major conflicts-of-interest. They owned or worked for businesses — such as Ecosecurities and SGS Forestry — that would benefit from the report’s conclusions.

But the mainstream media did not report these conflicts and instead piled on the “global warming” and “carbon offset” bandwagons.

The carbon offset market quickly exploded. In fact, $92 billion worth of offsets are expected to change hands in 2008. But wanton profiteering alone appears to be at the very heart of “carbon offsets.”

Put simply, a wide range of respected scientists, environmentalists, researchers, agriculturalists, and activists believe that carbon offsets are a “scam”, “fantasy”, “fiction”, “nonsense”, “fraudulent” and worse. And they’ve been saying so since 2000, though to read the newspaper you wouldn’t know it.

To demonstrate the fraudulence of the carbon offset market, one need only request quotes from various carbon offset sellers.

The price for offseting a flight from London to Toronto and back?

* $85: from Climate Care (UK), which says 6 tons of CO2 must be offset.

* $60: Carbon Neutral (UK), which says 4.3 tons of CO2 must be offset.

* $195: Climate Friendly (Australia) asserts that 11.63 tons of CO2 must be offset.

* $180: Green Seat (Netherlands) says 8.68 tons of CO2 must be offset.

In other words, they’re all basically making it up as they go along.

The result of these frauds, with which the mainstream media has been stunningly complicit, goes well beyond what most of the scammers would ever have anticipated.

For one, food prices haves skyrocketed as biofuel production has eroded the world’s ability to produce basic foodstuffs.

“Why are we putting food in our gas tanks instead of our stomachs?” asked Richard Reinwald, owner of Reinwald’s Bakery in Huntington, N.Y., and an active member of the Retail Bakers Association...

...Joseph Glauber, the chief economist at the Department of Agriculture, said ethanol production has led to higher prices for corn and soybeans... [and]...George Braley, the vice president of America’s Second Harvest, said food banks nationwide are having trouble stocking their shelves...

But biofuel production isn’t the only culprit.

The rise in food prices is also due, in part, to high oil prices.

Earlier this week, Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY) described his reluctance to pump oil from the United States’ Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR).

What does the president do? He takes out the old saw of ANWR. ANWR wouldn’t produce a drop of oil in ten years...

Unfortunately, that’s exactly what Democrat Bill Clinton said fourteen years ago, when he vetoed legislation that would have permitted drilling in ANWR’s coastal plain.

Had Clinton signed off then, we’d have started producing oil four years ago. And billions of barrels of oil lie untouched, available to U.S. consumers, in the Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) areas.

The oil lies, patiently waiting for us, in areas around the US. But Democrats have “repeatedly blocked environmentally safe exploration in ANWR... We could produce plenty of oil,” said Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska). “We could meet our own needs right now if we wanted to.”

The red areas in the accompanying maps depict “The No Zone.” These are the regions surrounding the United States in which Democrats have forbidden any oil exploration.

From the tiny spit of land within the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge to the OCS, Democrats have uniformly opposed every form of exploration that would allow us to stop sending our funds overseas and given us the time to transition to clean energy technologies.

In the mean time, Cuba has leased drilling rights to foreign countries, which will permit them to drain the Gulf of Mexico of its oil. For example, Cuba recently granted China drilling rights in the Gulf. And, in fact, China will be drilling within 50 miles of Florida.

Instead of thinking strategically, Democrats have proposed various short-term fixes to address high oil prices.

“We believe there ought to be a gas-tax holiday, but Big Oil ought to pay for it,” said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y.

In other words, jack up prices to consumers even more because the oil companies will be forced to raise costs in order to continue their exploration and R&D functions (and pay shareholders like you and I).

Put simply, Democrats want more expensive energy.

All that said, the real problem — and the reason Pelosi really does deserve blame — is that Democrats’ political goal of reducing carbon emissions continues to trump their populist rhetoric on gasoline prices.

The two stances are impossible to reconcile. Try as they might to blame oil companies for the pain Americans feel at the pump, the Democrats want higher prices for gasoline — and for all forms of energy that emit carbon.

Economic barriers against CO2 emissions are a requirement for environmental progress in the Democrats’ view, and this is the entire purpose of the carbon cap-and-trade system they will put before the House this summer — to create economic disincentives for emitting CO2.

There’s that phrase again: carbon trading.

It all comes back to carbon offsets, the “global warming” scam promoted by the UN’s IPCC.

And now, a group of scientists has formally petitioned the IPCC, asking that they cease and desist marketing the message that CO2 emissions relate to warming temperatures. The scientists go on to renounce the unintended consequences of the UN’s position: that the policy of burning food (to produce biofuel) has driven food prices sharply higher and is causing hunger and deforestation in countries around the world (especially the poorer countries).

The net result? In Haiti, for example, citizens have been forced to eat mud patties consisting of dirt, oil and sugar.

Furthermore, scientists are now coming to the conclusion that “green” fuels can’t replace oil anytime soon.

* * *

The hunger and high oil prices are certain to continue until we come to grips with reality. That is, fossil fuels are required for the world to survive the next several decades. The transition to green technologies will take significant time.

Unless we wish to see mass starvation and economic ruin, Democrats must allow America to take advantage of its immense storehouse of energy.

Vote accordingly in 2008.

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October 12, 2009
Goldman Sachs Sells $12M in Carbon Offsets in Largest Such U.S. Deal So Far

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Goldman Sachs marketed $12 million worth of carbon offsets to CE2 Carbon Capital in what Goldman Sachs is calling the largest publicly announced U.S. offset deal so far, reports Reuters.

CE2 Carbon Capital is a U.S. investor and owner of carbon-based assets and commodities.

Goldman Sachs sold the offsets on behalf of Blue Source, a company that generated the offsets from projects aimed at preventing forests from being cut down, as well as carbon capture projects at landfills and coal mines. Goldman Sachs is a minority partner in Blue Source.

The forestry offsets came from tree stands that were protected by convincing farmers in North Carolina not to cut down the trees.

The amount of offsets involved in the deal was not revealed.

This is only the latest deal in recent weeks that is encouraging offsets to be sold from U.S. forest lands.

The “Carbon Canopy” project is geared toward preserving forests in the southern U.S. by encouraging landowners to change management practices and explore using forests as carbon sinks that can be marketed as carbon offsets. Staples, Home Depot and the Dogwood Alliance, among others, are involved in the Carbon Canopy.

In California, Sierra Pacific Industries has entered the carbon market in a deal to preserve redwoods and other trees and to sell carbon offsets to power companies and investors.

http://www.environmentalleader.com/2009/10/12/goldman-sachs-sells-12m-in-carbon-offsets-in-largest-such-u-s-deal-so-far/

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“Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway Inc. is the largest shareholder in New York-based Goldman Sachs ....”

http://www.businessinsider.com/goldman-and-buffet-to-small-businesses-were-here-to-help-2009-11

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Gimmicks ... all created out of thin air to rob and cripple the public, while piling up billions for the evil partisans and greedy power brokers. Sickening.


30 posted on 12/02/2009 6:55:36 PM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: the anti-liberal
Just a gentle suggestion that you may have meant "di-hydrogen monoxide" or something similar - see http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Hydrogen+dioxide for a definition of "hydrogen dioxide" H2O2...
31 posted on 12/02/2009 6:58:34 PM PST by Zeppo (Save the cheerleader, save the world...)
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To: STARWISE

This is looking like the greatest scandal in human history and the democrats hands are all over it!

It’s pure evil Starwise...pure evil.


32 posted on 12/02/2009 7:05:15 PM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: penelopesire
Holdren is implicated himself in the emails. Does anyone know if this is true?

("Mad" Czar John Holdren) Obama Science Adviser Urges Climate Action Amid Uproar

THREAD: See Post #23 for Holdren emails

33 posted on 12/02/2009 8:50:23 PM PST by thouworm
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To: STARWISE

Thanks for ping. Great post!

This beast must be disemboweled and the extortioners imprisoned.

Started a thread on EPA and Climategate. See especially post #28 & 37 on SCOTUS & the EPA.

Climategate Will Now Hit the EPA (PJM Exclusive)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2398633/posts


34 posted on 12/02/2009 9:14:03 PM PST by thouworm
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To: STARWISE

Not a scandal? It’s a swindle that dwarfs Madoff.


35 posted on 12/02/2009 9:24:26 PM PST by onyx
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To: onyx

It’s huge .. and a huge scam.

Who buys these things anyway ?
Are they trading their own dollars
with each other .. then we’re the
losing dupes ?


36 posted on 12/02/2009 9:37:38 PM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: STARWISE

FE was set (or is set) to make billions and Buffet’s Berkshire Hathaway paid $26-$29 per share. GE is currently trading for half that. He exercised or owns warrants for that amount too.

HUGE swindle and the swindle is not deal yet.


37 posted on 12/02/2009 9:43:05 PM PST by onyx
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To: onyx

Swindle is not DEAD yet. Cap and Tax is not killed and who know what President Universe is going to do in Copenhagen.


38 posted on 12/02/2009 9:44:09 PM PST by onyx
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To: Zeppo
I couldn't remember right off if the two referred to the hydrogen or the oxygen in 'H2O." Thanks :)
39 posted on 12/02/2009 10:22:23 PM PST by the anti-liberal
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To: freedumb2003

40 posted on 12/03/2009 6:21:05 PM PST by 4Liberty (Pimp my mortgage)
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