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Why we want gold to fail
Townhall.com ^ | November 29, 2009 | Paul Jacob

Posted on 11/29/2009 6:47:50 AM PST by Kaslin

An ancient saying has it that “gold doesn’t stink.” A modern corollary might be: “Investors do.” Well, at least I’ve caught a whiff of something: A short-term fall in the price of gold, soon.

A subset of investors have gone perhaps a bit too whole hog, and the price of gold is now racing upwards at an increasingly unsustainable rate.

It’s an ancient observation: What goes up must come down.

The exceptions are those rare things that reach escape velocity. Gold hasn’t reached that, nor is it likely to.

For some reason, in markets, whenever prices move upward faster, there’s a contingent of investors who believe the price will never go down. I find this weird. A year-and-a-half ago I warned that petroleum prices would come down. I wrote this because I had begun hearing all this talk about how prices would never come down again. We were going to experience high gas prices forever. Environmentalists were pushing this, with “peak oil.” Media people were pushing it, with hysterical news stories.

So I thought it a safe bet. Oil would come down, at least by the end of summer.

And it did.

Some of my readers hailed me as a, ahem, minor prophet. But I just thought I was articulating some common sense. As a commentator with a daily program titled “Common Sense,” long before Glenn Beck appropriated that Paine-ful phrase for his recent book, I have trained myself to elaborate a common-sense perspective on all sorts of things.

Besides, I had at least one astute economist on my side.

Now, again, I have read the writing on the . . . blog. Daryl Guppy insists that gold has hit a spiraling-upward trend that cannot last, at least in current market conditions, and so will collapse in price soon.

I have no position in gold, save for a wedding band and one very shiny tooth. Nothing rides on this. And I suppose Guppy could be wrong. But what he says makes sense.

As I understand it, gold attracts investors afraid of economic collapse, or (worst of all possible worlds) hyperinflation.

And there are reasons we should all worry about that. What our government will do when it can no longer repay its debts — or even continue in debt maintenance — is anybody’s guess. A traditional response has been to print money and devalue debt by making the money worth less. The problem with this is that at some point that process of making money “worth less” makes it “worthless.” And that’s just not a good thing.

That’s what Zimbabwe’s in the midst of right now.

That’s how Germany wound up with the Nazis.

If it happened in the United States, it could end what has been called our “American Experiment.”

Almost anything could result.

At present, the political consequences of the foreseeable crisis should be one thing, but are another.

Since we know that our federal government is pushing closer and closer to deep economic instability, Americans should unite around one simple idea: No more budget deficits. Immediately return to budget surpluses — not “by the end of Obama’s first term.” (That’s an old evasion. Bush did it, too.) Any member of the House or Senate who votes for a budget that is deeply in deficit is engaging in something close to treason.

But that is not how current politics plays. Americans may be riled up, but don’t see how they can change anything. The Tea Party movement showed some real contrarian spirit, and has provided the established media and political voices with an unsettling glimmer of things to come. But still, disaster seems far away.

I have the feeling that this “far away” is not really all that far.

Still, it’s probably far enough to allow for a major correction in gold. Hyperinflation is probably not a near-term likelihood. The recent increase in the money supply may not prove so inflationary as some have thought. Wasn’t it a “reflation,” after a deflation? Investors looking at the increase in the quantity of money may have jumped the gun on its inflationary significance.

A lot of people would sigh in relief at a gold drop. That would reinforce the notion that the dollar hasn’t hit its downward value spiral. Yet.

And none of us really want the dollar to fail. Do we really want to endure a major crisis? No.

Sayonara, high gold prices. The world is just not ready for you yet.

Still, your heyday (high day, high epoch) will come.

Of course, the reason I want gold to go down in price — even collapse — is to allow me to buy a much larger stock than I am now able.

Gold sports a longer-term significance than it appeared to possess back in the ’80s and ’90s, when our monetary system was stable and our government’s debt burden still manageable. Neither situation seems to be the case now, especially regarding debt (just weeks ago Congress raised the debt limit to $12.1 trillion — and many expect another such upward adjustment to be required soon). There’s a major chance of a major inflation up ahead.

Owning gold is the furthest thing from idiotic. Buying more at the next major downturn in price, probably wise.

But what of Friday’s $15 drop? A drop in the bucket? Don’t ask me. Still, that caveat aside, while the experts predict a downward plummet in the gold price, I hazard that this downward fall will not fall far at all.


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1 posted on 11/29/2009 6:47:51 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin; Toddsterpatriot; Mase; expat_panama

I was engaged in a bit of navel-gazing yesterday: if gold is a commodity such as oil, then why aren’t we seeing the usual suspects complaining about “them evil speculators” running up its price, the same way they complained when oil was trading over $100/bbl?


2 posted on 11/29/2009 6:52:23 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Kaslin

There easily could be a gold correction - it’s been predicted by the same people who also say to use the correction as a buying opportunity.


3 posted on 11/29/2009 6:56:29 AM PST by GOPJ (Anthropogenic global warming-the most costly and widespread scientific FRAUD in history-James Lewis)
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To: 1rudeboy
I was engaged in a bit of navel-gazing yesterday: if gold is a commodity such as oil, then why aren’t we seeing the usual suspects complaining about “them evil speculators” running up its price, the same way they complained when oil was trading over $100/bbl?

It isn't a commodity. No one needs oil to drive to work, heat his house, or manufacture plastics. No one suffers "want" due to a dearth of gold.

Save for its use in jewelry and a few specialized high-tech applications, gold is a purely speculative value.

Regards,

4 posted on 11/29/2009 7:00:06 AM PST by alexander_busek
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To: Kaslin
A subset of investors have gone perhaps a bit too whole hog, and the price of gold is now racing upwards at an increasingly unsustainable rate.

The increasing price of gold seems to be sustainable as long as the democrats are in control and determined to destroy the US economy...and take down the world's economies with it.

5 posted on 11/29/2009 7:00:10 AM PST by highlander_UW (To anger a conservative tell him a lie. To anger a liberal tell him the truth.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Because gold going up in price doesn’t affect Joe Sixpack the way oil does. He’s not going to the store every couple of days to fill up on gold byproducts....


6 posted on 11/29/2009 7:00:35 AM PST by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: Kozak

That makes sense, I didn’t think of it.


7 posted on 11/29/2009 7:01:17 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Kaslin

Perhaps I read that too quickly ... the author seems to be ‘conflcited’, tipping one way and then another. I think I’ll join him however in waiting a bit to make a large Gold purchase as a hedge against the obamantion of the nation.


8 posted on 11/29/2009 7:04:36 AM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: Kaslin
I am not a "gold bug." I'm lousy at timing the market so I don't even try. But...
And there are reasons we should all worry about that. What our government will do when it can no longer repay its debts — or even continue in debt maintenance — is anybody’s guess. A traditional response has been to print money and devalue debt by making the money worth less. The problem with this is that at some point that process of making money “worth less” makes it “worthless.” And that’s just not a good thing.
This is what concerns me. -15nobama can print money and drive our country into bankruptcy. Apparently no one has the will to stop him. That is scary.
9 posted on 11/29/2009 7:05:13 AM PST by upchuck (New sign on my pickup: Are you a "Hope and Change" regretter?)
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To: 1rudeboy

its not really gold price going up but USD crashing down. Gold remain the same


10 posted on 11/29/2009 7:06:39 AM PST by 4rcane
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To: highlander_UW

The depth of debt we the people have been strapped with will not ease off within the next ten years, so gold is not likely to spiral downward once it got it’s headway going. It will not dip below $950 for the rest of my life I would bet ... and I’m looking at three more decades.


11 posted on 11/29/2009 7:07:14 AM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: 1rudeboy

I haven’t confirmed just yet, but I heard navel’s are on the rise...I have a few in my portfolio...


12 posted on 11/29/2009 7:13:20 AM PST by stevie_d_64
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To: highlander_UW

If the Democrats keep printing money as fast as they can the price of gold will increase.


13 posted on 11/29/2009 7:15:39 AM PST by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: Kaslin

I’ve mentioned this before, but with Obama not afraid to nationalize the auto companies, or the banks, etc., I don’t think it’s much of a leap to believe he’d try to pull an “FDR” and confiscate gold.

I read something like FDR’s 1933 proclamation, and it just sounds like something that this Congress or Obama could do.
http://www.the-privateer.com/1933-gold-confiscation.html

Now you might be able to “hide” the gold, but then how is one going to use it as tender for goods needed?

Okay, I’ll take my tin foil hat off now.


14 posted on 11/29/2009 7:20:13 AM PST by dawn53
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To: Kaslin

Look at it this way: Gold is “Obama insurance” . Makes a lot more sense now doesn’t it?


15 posted on 11/29/2009 7:25:10 AM PST by ikka
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To: Kaslin
Interesting article. Here's why I think gold is due for a decline -- and maybe even a very steep one:

The collapse of the real estate market was preceded by a period of time when you couldn't tune in to a network radio or television station without hearing ads about real estate "buying opportunities." Those ads pretty much came to an end when the real estate market crashed.

Now I'm hearing the same cacaphony of ads -- only this time it's some moron pushing gold, not real estate.

16 posted on 11/29/2009 7:26:13 AM PST by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: Kaslin
Americans should unite around one simple idea: No more budget deficits. Immediately return to budget surpluses — not “by the end of Obama’s first term.” (That’s an old evasion. Bush did it, too.)

I think that the top issues going forward are unemployment, which will never return to Bush levels of 5% under 0bama, and the size of Government as concentrated around the Health Care takeover issue.
17 posted on 11/29/2009 7:36:53 AM PST by etradervic (Democrat uber deficit spending proves that the swine flu originated in DC)
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To: Kaslin

Gold isn’t worth more than it was 10 years ago, or 100 years ago.

The value of the dollar DECREASES each time each time a product such as this, OR HOUSING, is made into a pyramid scheme.

If gold is so wonderful to keep, why are gold sellers so anxious to trade it for dollars?

Guess I’m just too stupid to buy any of this scare tactic.


18 posted on 11/29/2009 7:37:24 AM PST by wizr (Yep, I'm a redneck. Part redskin, too!)
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To: 4rcane

Yep, exactly.


19 posted on 11/29/2009 7:40:26 AM PST by wigswest
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To: Kaslin
This guy http://www.jsmineset.com has been predicting $1200 as a short-term "consolidation point", shall we say, for quite some time -- a number of years I do believe. Here's one of many links in the past year where he explicitly mentions $1200: http://jsmineset.com/2008/10/06/the-world-of-gold/
20 posted on 11/29/2009 7:42:06 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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