Washington Post : E-mails Don't Prove Warming is a Fraud

Washington Post via RealClearPolitics ^ | 11/27/2009 | Eugene Robinson

[agere_contra]

We know that the earth was as warm or warmer in the Medieval Warm Period because of dendrochronology.

Flawed as dendrochronology is (especially if you try to use strip-bark trees) wood-growth does vary by temperature.

The Senate Reconstructions of climate temperature (below) are dendrochonological reconstructions and show that the Medieval Warm Period was as warm or warmer then the present. At a time when the heaviest industry was Cathedral-Building.

You will note a broad 1000 year sinusoidal curve. This appears to repeat back through history to such global maxima such as the Roman Warm Period and the Minoan Warm Period.

The dendrochonology is backed up by historical details: the people living during the Medieval Warm Period did record a reduction in glaciers in the sense that Greenland was colonized by Eric the Red in about 958 AD. The name “Greenland” wasn’t ironical: the Vikings colonized the southern area of Greenland for about a hundred or so years before the growing cold after the MWP forced them to quit it.

The people living during the MWP didn’t record the melting of the ice caps. But FReepers may recall stories of opened sea passages navigated in the MWP period and marked on old maps/navigational rutters. If these stories are true then they point to more warming than we’ve observed.

You may remember that we’ve had various media stories over the last two years about ships being marooned by ice: they had apparently navigated into Arctic pack-ice under the impression that the way would be clear due to Anthropogenic Global Warming. Which I have to admit made me smile.

There are other warming indicators outside of the dendrochronological (tree-ring) record: for instance we have the bones of English people living in about 1000 AD. They apparently show a ~ 6ft 2 median height for the men. Good growth heights are typically a sign of a good diet due to good weather/good growing seasons - or perhaps of good trade caused by easy sea-crossings. The average Human growth height during the MWP seems to have been higher than during any other period in English History up until modern times.

I am also told that there are also many old road- and village names in the North of England from about 1000 AD that are redolent of viniculture. I can’t give you examples: I haven’t had a chance to check this out. I would probably have to check the Domesday book. I can say that during the previous warming period to the MWP – the so-called Roman Warming period, red grapes appear to have been grown in England. Viniculture is heavily reliant on degrees of heat, so this seems to be another corroborating detail about the ~1000 year periodicity of warming periods.

Hope this was helpful

[Kowdawg]

Washington Post : E-mails Don't Prove Warming is a Fraud

Well maybe not, but then again AGW can't be proven either.

How about: A broad consensus of distinguished Americans agree that scientific consensus about AGW is a hoax.

There, that should make the WP happy.

[faucetman]

Check out this site, great info.
http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=458

This particular graph shows 11 computer models vs 1 from ACTUAL DATA. Hmmmmmmmmmmm which one shall I believe? The GUESSES or the FACTS?

[musicman]

"Just maybe GW isn’t a fraud. What is a fraud is the” science” that it is built upon."

[SERKIT]

Just because someone writes an article doesn’t mean they are a reporter. How about starting by factually reporting how the emails were exposed - certainly not “purloined” - a cute turn of phrase, but does not fit. The only “denier” seen here is the reporter who denies that intentional and widespread fraud has been perpetrated by those who call themselves scientists.

[skully]

The purloined e-mail correspondence published by skeptics last week — portraying some leading climate researchers as petty, vindictive and tremendously eager to make their data fit accepted theories — does not prove that global warming is a fraud.

Hey Eugene maybe the e-mails alone don't prove the fraud that is Global Warming; but the FORTRAN and IDL programming code the “hackers” released sure as hell does. Not only do the programmers make this pretty obvious in the logic, but they pretty much explain in it comments throughout the program. In one such comment the programmer explains that certain temperature data after 1960 was to be given less weight, because it undermined the tree ring theory; which was supposed to be the “proof” of a warming globe.

[mo]

the Post has become an accomplice to fraud...and the MSM STILL does’nt get it!!

[sausageseller]

I was going to comment to the Post that this was one of the most ignorant editorials I had read recently. But then I noticed it was from Eugene Robinson.

A response is not worth the effort.

Just read through all the comments. Eugene and the few GW sycophants were throughly trashed.

[freekitty]

Sorry guys, you got caught with yout pants down.

[Secret Agent Man]

And just because you read something in the newspaper doesn't make it right, or objective, either.

For the whole series of Zero artwork, go here:

"Flickr Archive of Zero Artwork"

[VeniVidiVici]

[DuncanWaring]

The width of tree rings correlates well with observed temperature readings, and extrapolating that correlation into the past yields the familiar "hockey stick" graph -- fairly level temperatures for eons,

Totally ignoring the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age.

It's warmer now than it was 100 years ago.

And it was warmer 100 years ago than it was 200 years ago.

That's why we're no longer in the Little Ice Age.

[raisetheroof]

The purloined e-mail correspondence ... does not prove that global warming is a fraud.

If I'm wrong, somebody ought to tell the polar ice caps that they're free to stop melting.

I can imagine a Eugene Robinson counterpart about 400 years ago saying, "Galileo does not prove that an earth-centric universe is a fraud. If I'm wrong, somebody ought to tell the sun to stop orbiting the earth."

[MozarkDawg]

The evidence found in the suppressed emails, the documented attempt at changing data to fit an outcome, collusion, etc., etc., etc., only demonstrates that truth is indeed inconvenient.

[expatpat]

The Arctic ice has stopped melting....

[jpsb]

I find it rather curious that the retreating glaciers reveal human settlements. Greenland is particularly interesting in that the settlers were Viking. Now as we all know Viking were active explorers from about 800AD to about 1200AD. I am pretty sure 800AD was less then 2,000 years ago. And some of the Greenland settlements have been dated to around 1200AD to 1400AD. Again I am pretty sure that is less then 1,000 years ago. So that would seem to indicate that Greenland was a lot warmer say 1,000 years ago then it is today. However when I look at AGW charts I don't see this warm period know as the Medeval Warm Period(MEP). I also do not see the warm period documented by Romans growing grapes for wine in England 200ADish. This is what I see

Hmmm, wonder how those really smart Romans were growing grapes in an England that is colder then today? Hmmm, wonder how those determined Viking build settlements under the ice in Greenland? Or could it be perhaps that the graph is pure Bull Sh*t? Hmmm, you make the call, either the graph is pure Bull Sh*t or the Viking built settlements under a half mile of ice. What say you oh wise one?

[mo]

“....that Al Gore will be the first carbon credit billionaire if Crap and Trade passes.”

I would think anybody foolish enough to have bought “carbon credits” could have a case for fraud...and that anybody who has dealt with the exchanges trading them likewise might have a claim against those exchanges.

[ravenwolf]

I imagine the climate doe,s change and in fact changing all of the time even before man was ever on this planet.

But the global warming advocates are frauds and are working for the global socialist elite who wants control of this planet.

So naturally they do every thing they can to make it look like man made climate change so that the people of the world will support thier hoax.

Thet have to have our money so they can promote the man made global warming fraud.

Then they will take our freedom in the name of saving the planet.

[flowerplough]

RE: Polar Ice Caps

Global warming trek ‘makes it less than half way’ to North Pole due to temps dropping below -40C! – UK Guardian – May 13, 2009 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/5320251/Arctic-expedition-to-measure-Arctic-ice-makes-it-less-than-half-way-to-North-Pole.html

Excerpt: The team of four trekked more than 269 miles for 73 days but were unable to make it to the North Pole because of extreme weather, with temperatures dropping below -40 degrees Celsius. The Catlin Arctic Survey, the first Polar expedition to monitor the affects of climate change on sea ice, was also unable to measure the ice using state-of-the art equipment because of the freezing conditions.

Adventures in Arctic Kayaking – Update: we’re stuck
3/09/2008 http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/03/adventures-in-arctic-kayaking/
UPDATE: kayakers already “stuck” in ice at 80.52397 degrees N

“We’re stuck”

I have slept poorly. The floating ice, while thin, is so prevalent that, throughout the night, it grinds noisily against the side of the boat in a slightly alarming fashion – imagine someone scraping their nails across an old-fashioned blackboard.The then begins earlier than normal and, unusually, I am not woken by Robbie bounding into my room. Instead the ship’s engine roars to life earlier than normal – at around 5.30 – and the MV ‘Havsel’ begins to judder ominously. I clamber out of bed and scramble up to the bridge – all the ship’s crew are there, and they look serious. I look outside and I can see why. The sea is almost entirely congested with ice floes – I would estimate 80% plus of the sea is covered by them. There is a real risk that we could get stuck up here. We have drifted in the night into a much icier area than where we stopped last night. I wake up the team, and everyone groggily makes their way to the bridge. There’s a mixed reaction in the team to the prospect of getting stuck up here.

See the location on Google Maps, 80.52397, 12.21224

After awaking to find their vessel frozen in ice the team are steaming around looking for a path that’s navigable by kayak.
No paddling today.

At about 69 miles per degree of latitude, it would seem that they’re still 600+ miles from the North Pole.

(Additional comment:

Bill Illis (14:51:40) :

Look at the compare images from Cryosphere for Sept. 5, 1979 versus Sept. 5 2008.

The expedition could have travelled at least 300 miles farther north 29 years ago.

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=09&fd=05&fy=1979&sm=09&sd=05&sy=2008)