Posted on 11/21/2009 5:31:48 AM PST by PapaBear3625
Like the Telegraph’s MPs’ expenses scandal, this is the gift that goes on giving. It won’t, unfortunately, derail Copenhagen (too many vested interests involved) or cause any of our many political parties to start talking sense on “Climate change”. But what it does demonstrate is the growing level of public scepticism towards Al Gore’s Anthropogenic Global Warming theory. That’s why, for example, this story is the single most read item on today’s Telegraph website.
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But in the case of “Climate Change”, the MSM has been caught with its trousers down. The reason it has been so ill-equipped to report on this scandal is because almost all of its Environmental Correspondents and Environmental Editors are parti pris members of the Climate-Fear Promotion lobby. Most of their contacts (and information sources) work for biased lobby groups like Greenpeace and the WWF, or conspicuously pro-AGW government departments and Quangos such as the Carbon Trust. How can they bring themselves to report on skullduggery at Hadley Centre when the scientists involved are the very ones whose work they have done most to champion and whose pro-AGW views they share?
(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.telegraph.co.uk ...
I excerpted the main money-quotes. Read the whole thing.
I hope the story unfolds. So far it has been so scarcely reported few people understand it or take it seriously.
Didn't happen.
Of course the press keeps crying wolf anyway.
The only people who think that man-made global warming is a serious problem are the same people who are arrogant enough to believe that man can have any permanent impact on a planet that can, and has, literally thrown away every member of a long line of dominant life forms over the course of over a billion years.
The MSM reported the scandal? I don't think so.
.....is because almost all of its Environmental Correspondents and Environmental Editors are parti pris members of the Climate-Fear Promotion lobby.....
I would argue that the issue involves complexities that the average MSM writer cannot comprehend. Ignorance allows faith to overcome reason
“I am fully for Conservation and getting rid of pollution. But Hell this CO2 madness is neither. It is an International Socialist Scheme.”
ME TOO! I was recycling before it was legal LOL! I used to climb fences to deposit my plactics and glass in another town’s recycling plant, because the city of Boston was so slow to provide us with bins. BUT when i am forced to comply with stupid rules for a fake cause, I get very annoyed!
The Greenshirts, the MSM, and the sycophant corporate rent-seekers will close ranks and seek to perpetuate the fraud.
They will never admit the truth, that is not their agenda. Power and wealth and yet more power is their agenda.
The more throats the Greenshirts can step on the better, from their point of view.
Hah. In the 1970’s Time, Newsweak, et al were trumpeting “global cooling”. A new ice age was surely upon us. They haven’t been right on too much since.
The “Word Wrap Off” didn’t work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The “Word Wrap Off” didn’t work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Right. Cap and trade and Health Care will complete the Police State and turn us all in to prisoners.
“It won’t, unfortunately, derail Copenhagen”
The Copenhagen Treaty is already dead in the water, since China and India are refusing to cooperate. They aren’t stupid. Russia said a while back that it’s energy economy “is carbon based” for the foreseeable future.
There was already considerable skepticism here in the US (most people don’t feel any warming is caused by humans). It would have been political suicide in the long run to enact massive taxes and kill our economy over a non-effect.
The release of this information, which shows:
1) Illegal resistance to FOIA requests
2) Tampering with scientific data to support CAGW
3) Probable destruction of data to prevent peer replication (or not) of results
4) Suppression of scientific data that contradicted their theories
5) Suppression of opposing scientific viewpoints in peer reviewed publications (then claiming that due to few peer reviewed papers being published the other side had no evidence)
6) Guidelines for brainwashing the gullible masses with their viewpoint
7) Probable money laundering
is absolutely enough to show CAGW has been an enormous scam.
It will also doubtless result in a Congressional investigation into similar entities here in the US, the IPCC in particular. I expect Senator Inhofe had a party last night.
Some of the top folks at CRU will very likely never practice science again, and the worst offenders will likely end up in jail.
This is the biggest scientific scandal of all time. Don’t let anyone tell you differently. Literally TRILLIONS of dollars, and the entire future of the US economy were on the line.
It doesn’t matter if the big MSM outlets are slow to cover this. It’s gone viral, Fox and Drudge are both carrying it - the cat’s out of the bag!
Victory is at hand! WOOHOO!
Second quote is key. This is how environmental reporters - indeed, reporters in general - work. Get a few key sources, use them for quotes or stories all the time. Result: lazy, biased news reporting.
Racism, Global Warming and Barack Obama’s intelligence are three topics with which no one can expect a civil discussion with me. If you want me to laugh in your face, bring up one of these topics and try to treat it seriously. Frauds, hoaxes, manufactured problems. I’m tired of it all.
I can’t wait to hear Lindsey Graham’s excuse for this. And Gingrich, as well. They’ll probably just brush it off as propaganda, or lies the “deniers” have made up.
reported in the damn blog.
Science, business, legislation -- lots of what reporters write about involves issues that reporters know little about. That's how these illegitimate relationships form.
The reporters cannot write intelligently about the issues unless knowledgeable insiders HELP them understand and HELP them write their articles. Check out the scientist/reporter emails in the NY Times thread.
The price for all this help and access, is that the reporter had better report in a way that pleases his "helpers" and sources, or he will find their help cut off. Much of current "reporting" is essentially reformatting of press releases from their sources.
Newt has become quite the embarrassment, right along with Lindsey. They should both just, as we used to say, take a long walk on a short pier.
Does this mean the polar bears (and walruses) aren’t all going to die unless I send all my money to WWF?
sarcasm/off
amen
I wish I shared your optimism. These days a group Nobel Prize is just as likely.
Fox News, the only legitimate News Network, reported on it.
BBC reported the hack, and that “opposite sides” were arguing about what the released information meant. But they didn’t report anything about the emails actually contained.
As far as I can tell, CBS, ABC and NBC haven’t touched the story at all. But it’s all over the web.
The failure to report is just going to help confirm to people the irrelevancy and the partisanship and bias of the MSM.
Well, to take a line from Dan Blather, “it could have been true”.
Well, to take a line from Dan Blather, “it could have been true”.
Ahem.....you forgot the PENGUINS!!!
Mike,
Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4?
Keith will do likewise. He’s not in at the moment - minor family crisis.
Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don’t
have his new email address.
We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.
I see that CA claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature paper!!
Cheers
Phil
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jones@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
NR4 7TJ
UK
I didn't see your post before essentially saying the same thing.
Yes, a reporter's career is based on cultivating good sources over the years, people who will tell him what's going on and why. Of course, if the reporter wants to KEEP the source, he won't tell the READERS what's really going on, he will tell them what his most valuable sources WANT him to say. If the reporter is smart enough to avoid too-obvious insider trading, his access can be VERY lucrative, whether directly or by passing info along to other people who would be suitably grateful.
Look at CNN in Iraq under Sadaam, or Duranty of the NY Times "reporting" about the USSR under Stalin. They reported what they were told, without regard for truth, in order to maintain their "access". The reporter is in the business of selling newspapers, not telling the truth. Their business model depends on their readers never figuring this out.
And Sarah Palin's.
She has been way out front on this issue amongst the current and recent crop of Presidential aspirants. It would be so nice to get a Sarah soundbite or Facebook posting that would summarize this fraud in a nice neat nutshell that would resonate with the man on the street. Time for a little gloating Sarah, let's hear from you.
Looks like the global commies will have to find another way to tax and trade the air that we breathe. Billions of dollars involved here, so expect some mobster type ‘hits’ on the whistleblowers before it’s all over. Globull Warming is ‘too big to fail’.
“I wish I shared your optimism. These days a group Nobel Prize is just as likely.”
The science prizes aren’t like the Peace Prize. ;-)
Seriously, I think the vast majority of scientists are honest and support the scientific method. They’re well aware that the entire credibility of science rests on it. Don’t forget the thousands of scientists who signed anti-CAGW petitions based strictly on the science.
When an a group of “scientists” subverts the scientific method to this extent, the scientific community will turn on them like a wolf pack that’s suddenly realized some of them are poodles. They have to, and it’ll be just about that ugly.
(hope that helps with the wordwrap problem, FReegards)
...the MSM has been caught with its trousers down. The reason it has been so ill-equipped to report on this scandal is because almost all of its Environmental Correspondents and Environmental Editors are parti pris members of the Climate-Fear Promotion lobby. Most of their contacts (and information sources) work for biased lobby groups like Greenpeace and the WWF, or conspicuously pro-AGW government departments and Quangos such as the Carbon Trust. How can they bring themselves to report on skullduggery at Hadley Centre when the scientists involved are the very ones whose work they have done most to champion and whose pro-AGW views they share?They'll just be more careful with their emails next time.
This WILL get legs. The usual suspects will start reporting on this next week, loudly. It is better to take this weekend and dig into the pile. Anything reported on a friday night is a news dump. The MSM should have reported it yesterday, but they didn’t. Now the news will break next week on beck, rush, hannity, and well, we all know what happens when that happens-olbermann, matthews, odonnell, and company go berserk, start screeching like scorched cats about the reports and more people tune into the other side to see what they are losing their minds about, especially if they are calling algore a liar and they have proof.
I hope they run across Gore’s name.
It should then be jail time for him for running this scam.
And think how many nations are involved scamming its own citizens.
I also smell Soro’s participation.
Things are ‘heating up’ PING!!
See also:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2391358/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2391062/posts
bfl
BFL
You ommitted the clown who runs the tree ring circus at the University of Arizona.
I hate to sound like a broken record but I'm skeptical that will actually take place. Science these days has become too much of a "follow the money" kind of business. The Grants are the source of the income for many if not most of the "Climate Scientists" and this story will not stop that money train.
And, if Al Gore can win a Nobel Prize, albeit a Peace Prize, so can these guys. The Nobel Prize process is just as corrupt as these supposed scientists from CRU.
great post
“silent majority” would not include anyone under the age of 18 in public or private schools, or those in our state colleges, and their staff and faculty. Any Green school proudly went along with this 21st Century hippie movement and yowza is it expensive!
Gore won’t fare too well during the multiple telling of this one!
When an a group of “scientists” subverts the scientific method to this extent, the scientific community will turn on them like a wolf pack that’s suddenly realized some of them are poodles. They have to, and it’ll be just about that ugly.
I've known a few scientists. Some of them are honest seekers of truth. Others are just hungry for the next grant.
The danger to both groups is that, if the public starts to perceive research as just a fake PR effort for the agenda of whatever faction controls the grant process, this would create opposition from the public for spending government money for scientific research in general.
When scientists perceive their own careers in danger, they WILL turn on these guys.
Mann confirms: “I’ll contact Gene about this ASAP.”
Gene Wahl, NOAA!!!!
One of the CO2 Liberals on a RANT on a conservative talk show... when the Host got the LIB to SHUT UP for a second, he asked...
“when we INHALE, we take in OXYGEN.. what do we release when we EXHALE?”
The caller said... “I’m NOT a SCIENTIST and never CLAIMED TO BE.”
I Laughed until I realized it was not a setup
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