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PRECIOUS METALS: Gold Hits Record High As US Dollar Weakens
WSJ ^ | 11/09/09 | Matt Whittaker

Posted on 11/09/2009 7:47:59 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster

Edited on 11/09/2009 8:05:18 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Gold futures - as well as spot metal - extended record highs shortly before futures floor trading opened in New York on Monday.

A markedly weaker U.S. dollar was mainly behind the surge.

In recent trading, December gold was up $11.70 at $1,107.40 an ounce after hitting a most-active record of $1,111.70. Nearby November gold hit $1,109.30, a front-month Comex record. Spot gold also hit a fresh all-time peak of $1,111.15 an ounce as the U.S. dollar weakened against the euro.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhoeconomy; dollar; economy; gold; surge

From WSJ: Options Selling May Curb Gold's Rise ,

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At this week's annual London Bullion Market Association conference in Edinburgh, a poll of audience members found the average forecast for gold's price in September 2010 was $1,181 an ounce. On Monday, spot gold topped $1,100 an ounce

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1 posted on 11/09/2009 7:48:01 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

It’s not too late to get your BAHOG.

If you can’t afford it, there’s always silver.


2 posted on 11/09/2009 7:49:19 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Congrats to Virginia and New Jersey)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

It’s not too late to get your BAHOG.

If you can’t afford it, there’s always silver.


3 posted on 11/09/2009 7:49:20 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Congrats to Virginia and New Jersey)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

It’s not too late to get your BAHOG.

If you can’t afford it, there’s always silver.


4 posted on 11/09/2009 7:49:33 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Congrats to Virginia and New Jersey)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; PAR35; AndyJackson; Thane_Banquo; nicksaunt; MadLibDisease; happygrl; ...
I expect that first several replies of this thread are gold-bashing comments.:-)
5 posted on 11/09/2009 7:49:40 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: NeoCaveman

woops. then again the comment is so nice i said it thrice.


6 posted on 11/09/2009 7:50:13 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Congrats to Virginia and New Jersey)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

What’s the best way to purchase physical PMs? Not sure I trust the TV advertisers.


7 posted on 11/09/2009 7:51:02 AM PST by Zeddicus
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To: NeoCaveman
Oh, no, you ruined my prediction.:-)
8 posted on 11/09/2009 7:51:58 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: Zeddicus

apmex.com?


9 posted on 11/09/2009 7:53:42 AM PST by Disciplinemisanthropy (III III IV)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

You guys are all koooks! There is nothing more sound than paper currency. Don’t you people have full faith in our federal government? Don’t you trust the bankers running the Federal Reserve to look out for everyone’s interests?

Never mind that silly, monetary history stuff. History is for people to study when they’re too full of fear to trust our much wiser and smarter and brighter central planners.


10 posted on 11/09/2009 7:55:44 AM PST by MichiganConservative (Abolish the IRS, income tax, the 16th amendment and the Federal Reserve. Replace them with nothing.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Oh, no, you ruined my prediction.:-)

Sorry :)

Have you seen this? Buy Gold for $50 a ounce. And the stupid people don't take him up on the offer.

11 posted on 11/09/2009 7:57:03 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Congrats to Virginia and New Jersey)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Has anyone ever written a good book on the subject of what to do with gold in a real crisis should the holder need either some cash, or a way to trade gold for goods?

If someone has a fair amount of gold that had been purchased over some years, and then the real crisis strikes, through what channels may the holder use his gold to live on if necessary?

Okay the crisis is on, say, and the dollar is in rolls for toilet paper instead of in the wallet. The gold owner needs to buy a bag of groceries. How does he do it?

I’m looking for a book on this subject, and assuming someone has either written such a book, or some good articles on the subject.

Anyone know of such materials?


12 posted on 11/09/2009 8:01:43 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789

I always assumed it would go something like “I’ll give you 2 ounces of silver for that bag of food.” or “I’ll give you this box of ammo for that bucket of potable water”.

That’s why I’ve been hoarding ammunition and silver shot. And buying emergency food and water rations.


13 posted on 11/09/2009 8:05:59 AM PST by MichiganConservative (Abolish the IRS, income tax, the 16th amendment and the Federal Reserve. Replace them with nothing.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Nah, they know I have a handy list of who was wrong at $500...$650...$800... :-)


14 posted on 11/09/2009 8:06:57 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: John Leland 1789

The best suggestion I’ve seen is:

“Don’t buy gold coins - buy old gold rings from a pawnshop. That way, when you go to exchange them you just look like some poor guy down on his luck who’s trading in his last thing of value for a morsel of food for his family, not a filthy gold speculator.”


15 posted on 11/09/2009 8:07:04 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: NeoCaveman

Wow... you don’t even have to like gold to know these people are morons.


16 posted on 11/09/2009 8:09:31 AM PST by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: DuncanWaring

I think your suggestion is a very good one.

AND I’d still like to find a book written on the general subject of cashing gold for daily needs in a crisis.


17 posted on 11/09/2009 8:10:35 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: Zeddicus

If there’s a local bricks and mortar coin shop where you live, that’s the best, esp. for silver since it is so heavy in quantity. He has to stay in business and is likely to want your business so is willing to meet online prices. If you cultivate a business relationship over time with a local dealer they will always give you a fair shake buying or selling. He is buying and selling based on a “spread” that is a percentage above and below the “spot” price. Retail purchase prices are higher for you, and lower when selling. Profit margins are thin on these items from what they tell me, so it pays to do this. You may find it difficult to find product to buy when prices are low, and an unwillingness to purchase when prices are high. There is, after all, no law that requires anyone to buy or sell at prices.


18 posted on 11/09/2009 8:12:23 AM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Zeddicus

Try this link. They also sell gold in 1/10 oz coins and other weights.

http://www.americansilvereagles.com/Uncirculated_Silver_Eagles


19 posted on 11/09/2009 8:18:27 AM PST by perchprism
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To: DuncanWaring

The problem there is that rings in the US are often of a lower karat, 14k. It is readily saleable but at a steep discount. A lot of stuff is plated or ersatz too, I don’t have time for all that. It’s like picking up nickels in front of a steam roller. Major country of issue coins of known weight and purity offer the least confusion and tightest spreads, etc. Other countries often sell jewelry with high karat but then there is the authenticity problem. That’s why coins offer the best value and safety.


20 posted on 11/09/2009 8:18:52 AM PST by Freedom4US
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To: jiggyboy

Gold bashers turned up at another article on gold I posted a few minutes ago. So far two but more may come.:-)


21 posted on 11/09/2009 8:27:07 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

One more sign that gold is still not in a bubble is that those with a contrary opinion are not ridiculed and shouted down. Recall the treatment of hydroshock and ex-Texan in 2004 and 2005.


22 posted on 11/09/2009 8:35:42 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jiggyboy
I suppose that would qualify as “informal Contrarian FR-index.” :-)
23 posted on 11/09/2009 8:45:50 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: Freedom4US

I have a question for you all. I am VERY uninformed when it comes to the gold market. That’s the first thing.
However, I have some old gold jewelry (all 14k +). I have NO use for it. Combined it weighs almost 1.5 ounces. I would like to sell it. Where is the best place to do this?? I live in Oregon. What kind of price per ounce should I expect for it???

Thanks


24 posted on 11/09/2009 8:55:38 AM PST by Anti-Hillary (Yo Barry, IF FOR 20 YEARS YOU STAY IN THE PEW, IT'S BECAUSE YOU SHARE THE VIEW!!!!!)
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To: Freedom4US

I have a lot of gold I bought for my wife when I was working in Saudi Arabia in 1994. Silver too, but mostly gold. Over there you can’t find gold in less than 18K. So I’m relunctant to purchase coins because money is tight, and I’ve got over 8 oz. anyway. However, I did buy 25 silver eagles last month. I’m also contemplating buying bulk silver coins off of Ebay.

I’ve got 5,500 rounds of .22LR for barter purposes as well. Got alot of toilet paper on sale in somewhat smallish rolls, but bought up a crap-load anyway.


25 posted on 11/09/2009 9:01:14 AM PST by perchprism
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Not just the dollar. All paper currencies.

But then again, what good is gold?
Can’t wipe your butt with it!


26 posted on 11/09/2009 9:23:45 AM PST by djf (Maybe life ain't about the doing - maybe it's just the trying... Hey, I don't make the rules!)
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To: Anti-Hillary

Well that’s two questions but if the items Are antique that complicates things value wise. What you are looking for otherwise, all things being equal, is a price that most closely represents the melt value of the stuff.
If someone offers you 80 or 90 percent of that, you would be doing well perhaps. To illustrate this it would be fun to inquire just what a “cash4gold” place would offer for a .9999 coin. 50 percent? There are some longtime reputable smelters that will treat customers Ok from what I have heard, but it is still up to the seller to know exactly what they have. Don’t sell anything you don’t understand, either.


27 posted on 11/09/2009 10:13:24 AM PST by Freedom4US
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To: John Leland 1789

The gold owner needs to buy a bag of groceries. How does he do it?


Presently? Sell your gold, and pay the grocer with the proceeds.

In a crisis? Go to the grocer, and agree on an exchange rate, and pay for the groceries in gold (perhaps leaving you a credit for future groceries if all you have is a 1 ounce coin.


28 posted on 11/09/2009 12:27:53 PM PST by Beelzebubba (Even My Failures Are Edible)
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To: Zeddicus

What’s the best way to purchase physical PMs?


If you are investing a substantial amount ($10k-20k+) then there are low margin internet retailers like tulving.com and nwtmint.com. NWT will sell in small quantities but at higher markup.

Also beware of going “all-in” at one time, and getting unlucky by buying at a peak. Better to average in. Buying SLV or GLD EFTs helps with this, allowing small purchases with little markup, until you can cash out into physical metals, but if you do gain, you’ll pay taxes on it.

eBay is another option for small purchases, but be aware of the limitations of your rights against fraud, and be sure you follow all the rules. Assume 95-98% honesty.


29 posted on 11/09/2009 12:31:57 PM PST by Beelzebubba (Even My Failures Are Edible)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I expect that first several replies of this thread are gold-bashing comments.:-)

What's the yield on gold these days?

30 posted on 11/09/2009 2:55:54 PM PST by groanup
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To: groanup
If you are talking about increase in dollar value of gold, look at the Forex chart. Anyway, gold does not gain value but keep it as it is. Gold is for guarding against extensive bank failure(your money at bank is gone or hard to withdraw due to emergency measure by gov or Fed) or high inflation.

My interest in gold is not about its yield.

31 posted on 11/09/2009 3:15:13 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Mama like! :)


32 posted on 11/09/2009 4:46:36 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (We have a Pisher in Chief!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
My interest in gold is not about its yield.

Believe me, neither is mine. LOL. ;>}

I have known so many traders that tried to make money in gold and justified their efforts based on the two periods in the last 50 years when gold actually increased in value in such a way that you could notice.

33 posted on 11/09/2009 7:22:01 PM PST by groanup
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