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Hasan's Therapy: Could "Secondary Trauma" Have Driven Him to Shooting? (Time Mag's Speculation)
Time Magazine ^ | 11/8/2009 | Tim Mcgirk

Posted on 11/08/2009 6:11:58 PM PST by SeekAndFind

As an army psychiatrist treating soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, Major Nidal Malik Hasan had front row seat on the brutal toll of war. It is too early to know exactly what may have triggered his murderous shooting rampage Thursday at Fort Hood — Hasan is accused of killing 12 people and wounding 32 others before he was wounded by a police officer — but it is not uncommon for therapists treating soldiers with Post Trumatic Stress Disorder (P.T.S.D.) to be swept up in a patient's displays of war-related paranoia, helplessness and fury.

In medical parlance it is known as "secondary trauma", and it can afflict the families of soldiers suffering from P.T.S.D. along with the health workers who are trying to cure them. Dr. Antonette Zeiss, Deputy Chief of Mental Health Services for Veteran Affairs, while not wishing to talk about the specific case of the Fort Hood slayings, explained to TIME that: "Anyone who works with P.T.S.D. clients, hears their stories will be profoundly affected."

It's entirely possible that other factors may have acted as a trigger for Hasan's alleged killing spree. The army major was a devout Muslim who reportedly had been harassed because of his religion and had developed strong objections to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But he was also due to be shipped out to Afghanistan, drawing him closer to the terrible scenes described in detail by his patients. At army hospitals dealing with P.T.S.D. patients, the staff is required to periodically fill out a 'resiliency' questionnaire that's supposed to gauge how well theyr'e coping with the burden of their patients' emotional and psychological demands. "It takes its toll on people," says one officer at a Colorado military hospital. "You cannot be un-affected by the terrible things these soldiers have undergone."

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: forthood; hasan; nidalmalikhasan; psychology; terrorism; time
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1 posted on 11/08/2009 6:11:58 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Notice how Time Magazine is holding on to its Hasan narrative for dear life. Why can’t they use the “T” word ?


2 posted on 11/08/2009 6:15:03 PM PST by SeekAndFind (wH)
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To: SeekAndFind
The article assumes that the Muslim Psychiatrist felt any connection, compassion, or affinity towards infidel soldiers who were at war with radical Muslims.

I wonder if the real trigger was the shooting of that radical imam in Detroit the prior week.

3 posted on 11/08/2009 6:16:56 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bu**shit!!!!!

Terrorist who should have been outed before his rampage but the PC crowd kept it from happening.

I was on post during the lockdown and I knew what this guy was.


4 posted on 11/08/2009 6:17:49 PM PST by Leofl (I'm from Texas, we don't dial 9-11)
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To: SeekAndFind
There was a clinical psychologist on CNN last night who said this secondary PTSD was absolute bunk, complete nonsense. The anchor on CNN wasn't too eager to hear it, either and he almost immediately offered another excuse for Hasan after the PTSD was so quickly discounted.
5 posted on 11/08/2009 6:17:57 PM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think Obamas Salute at Dover last week was the signal for sleepers to begin jihad


6 posted on 11/08/2009 6:18:46 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: SeekAndFind
It is too early to know exactly what may have triggered his murderous shooting rampage Thursday at Fort Hood I am so fed up with this! WE KNOW WHAT IT WAS IT'S CALLED ISLAM!!! WTF is WRONG with these people!
7 posted on 11/08/2009 6:18:58 PM PST by Mama Shawna
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To: SeekAndFind
secondary trauma?

Who cares boil his butt in bacon fat cut the excuses.

8 posted on 11/08/2009 6:19:11 PM PST by bikerman (Buck Farack)
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To: SeekAndFind

Tim McGirk. The puke that “broke” the Haditha “massacre”.

He never met an enemy of America that he didn’t love instantly.


9 posted on 11/08/2009 6:19:58 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The army major was a devout Muslim who reportedly had been harassed

How long will they repeat this? Is there any evidence of this? As far as I know, the military is terribly PC -- if you harass a religious or racial minority, your career is over instantly. Unless someone has presented hard evidence, I think it is ludicrous to assert that Hasan was harassed.

Based on the hard evidence of what he did last week, I feel confident asserting that he was a Muslim terrorist who hated the USA.

10 posted on 11/08/2009 6:20:15 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Leave it to Time to find a reason for murder.

“secondary trauma”

How about stopping this pussy footing around.

Radical Muzzies declared war on us. Long time ago

At the beginning of mankind, Who was the wild Dog?


11 posted on 11/08/2009 6:21:52 PM PST by reefdiver (So how's that HOPE & CHANGE working out for ya ?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wow, the first-ever case of contagious PTSD!

These people are absolutely shameless in their bend-over-backward attempts to disconnect this massacre from Islam.


12 posted on 11/08/2009 6:22:40 PM PST by Sloth (For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of the International Olympic Committee.)
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To: SeekAndFind

how about reporting that this president does not care what so ever about the threats this country faces, the man cannot even use the word terrorist and would rather give shout outs.

sickening that not even 10 years after thousand die the so called media and idiotic voters voted in a man who cares little about this country or even foreign policy.


13 posted on 11/08/2009 6:25:33 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman, end of. -end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Nervous Tick

I missed that. It’s the taliban party boy himself.


14 posted on 11/08/2009 6:27:00 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: devolve; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; SeekAndFind

This is BS, the man was already preaching THIS:

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At Walter Reed, as an Army psychiatrist, Hasan was supposed to give a “grand round” — a medical lecture. Instead, he treated medical personnel to a dawah session, trying to frighten them into Islam with threats of hell.

Hasan made four assertions about the Koran:

1. “If you don’t believe, you are condemned to hell” — Koran 4:140; Koran 9:49; Koran 9:68; Koran 9:73

2. If you don’t believe, “your head is cut off” — Koran 8:12; Koran 47:4

3. If you don’t believe, “you’re set on fire” — Koran 33:64; Koran 48:13; Koran 76:4

4. If you don’t believe, “burning oil is burned down your throat” — Koran 18:29; Koran 44:43-46

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I don’t think “trauma” caused him to start shooting!


15 posted on 11/08/2009 6:27:05 PM PST by potlatch (ACTIONS - Speak Louder Than Words)
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To: SeekAndFind

Admit the truth. He suffered from Pre-Traumatic Stress Syndrome. It is the first case known...


16 posted on 11/08/2009 6:27:51 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: SeekAndFind

*** It is too early to know exactly what may have triggered his murderous shooting rampage Thursday at Fort Hood***

I know! I Know! Oh man, it was right on the tip of my tongue! It’s...Oh gee! I feel as if it was right here!
Something to do with mosques and mo ham id...infidels and hacking off heads and hands...

I give up! I just can’t place a finger on it. ;-(


17 posted on 11/08/2009 6:29:33 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The sword does not kill. It is a tool in the killer's hand.---Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: Mr Rogers

No, no! You don’t understand: He just couldn’t face going to war and committing atrocities, so he murdered and maimed his fellow soldiers in cold blood....

Uh...never mind.


18 posted on 11/08/2009 6:32:00 PM PST by Wife of D28Man
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To: Sloth
Wow, the first-ever case of contagious PTSD!
Good catch!
19 posted on 11/08/2009 6:33:54 PM PST by _Jim (Conspiracy theories are the tools of the weak-minded.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is absolute garbage! This guy had negative feelings for infidels from the get go. You have to have compassion in order to be traumatized by another person’s trauma. The left will try anything in order to not believe or do the right thing.


20 posted on 11/08/2009 6:36:11 PM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Riiight... He killed and maimed all those people because he had too much empathy. You know, like an “embarrassment of riches.”


21 posted on 11/08/2009 6:36:19 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (LIBERTY)
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To: SeekAndFind
Jim Treacher's tweet:

If this idiot had been wearing an I Kill Unbelievers 4 the Glory of Allah t-shirt, they'd still be going, "Whuh-whuh-why did he do this?"

22 posted on 11/08/2009 6:37:45 PM PST by TChad
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To: potlatch


Good post potlatch!

One idiot media jerk said he "allegedly shot his comrades"!


23 posted on 11/08/2009 6:38:20 PM PST by devolve ( . . . . . . . . . . . . . "Hey - 10.2% unemployment??? I demand a recount!" . . . .)
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To: SeekAndFind

Gee, that explains everything!

Now we know for certain that the fact Hasan was a fundamentalist muslim who lauded suicide bombers and acted like he sought matyrdom had nothing to do with it.

These people in the news media are either stupid or crazy.


24 posted on 11/08/2009 6:38:56 PM PST by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Radical Islam is an insane murder cult; moderate Islam is its Trojan Horse in the West.
25 posted on 11/08/2009 6:39:39 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: SeekAndFind

This article is pure fiction. There’s zero evidence Hasan had PTSD. The only time he was traumatized was when shots put an end to his killing spree.


26 posted on 11/08/2009 6:41:15 PM PST by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: al baby

It’s been speculated his “shout out” was a way to say Thank You.


27 posted on 11/08/2009 6:44:32 PM PST by Brytani (Support Lt. Col Allen West for Congress - www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: devolve
Good post!

“One idiot media jerk said he “allegedly shot his comrades”!”

I watched the morning shows. I'm even wondering if Nanzy and Congress knocked themselves out getting that Health Bill passed late at night so it would knock the Fort Hood killings off the news!

Had they not passed the bill, the news would have been all about it, or maybe not knowing the media.

Tuesday will be interesting.

28 posted on 11/08/2009 6:44:36 PM PST by potlatch (ACTIONS - Speak Louder Than Words)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Could "Secondary Trauma" Have Driven Him to Shooting?"

Yeah... when coupled with islam's PRIMARY hatred of everything non-islamic.

29 posted on 11/08/2009 6:46:17 PM PST by Dacus943
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s obvious. He must have been suffering from PRE-traumatic stress syndrome.

Nah. He’s just a stinkin’ jihadi.


30 posted on 11/08/2009 6:46:42 PM PST by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t know about “secondary trauma”, but McGirk’s article could drive one to uncontrollable laughter.


31 posted on 11/08/2009 6:49:07 PM PST by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: potlatch

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Nanzi Pollutzi and Barack Hasan Obama Junior would do anything to forward their agenda


32 posted on 11/08/2009 6:52:24 PM PST by devolve ( . . . . . . . . . . . . . "Hey - 10.2% unemployment??? I demand a recount!" . . . .)
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To: devolve

I know that, but don’t you think they wanted to get any ‘muslim killing’ news downplayed or ignored?

Even my newspaper didn’t publish Hasan’s name yesterday!


33 posted on 11/08/2009 6:56:07 PM PST by potlatch (ACTIONS - Speak Louder Than Words)
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To: SeekAndFind

That’s why he was spouting his hatred in class presentations. What garbage.


34 posted on 11/08/2009 6:57:37 PM PST by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
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To: devolve

LOL


35 posted on 11/08/2009 7:02:12 PM PST by 4Liberty (Pimp my mortgage)
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To: potlatch

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Saddam Hussein

Barack Hussein Obama Junior

Nidal Malik Hasan

.

Lots of problemos for Hussy Junior and his media spinners


36 posted on 11/08/2009 7:03:14 PM PST by devolve ( . . . . . . . . . . . . . "Hey - 10.2% unemployment??? I demand a recount!" . . . .)
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To: OldDeckHand
That psychologist was right. Some counselors get burned out, but that can happen with any client population. Nobody ever got PTSD from listening to "stories," no matter how graphic.

Poorly trained counselors can get over-identified with their clients and lose their objectivity, but there is no reason to believe that happened here. If anything, Hasan got rageful because GI's were wasting the wretched Mooj.

37 posted on 11/08/2009 7:04:19 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: devolve

I still believe they would do anything to get ‘bad’ news overpowered with news they like.

They have done it many times before.


38 posted on 11/08/2009 7:08:29 PM PST by potlatch (ACTIONS - Speak Louder Than Words)
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To: SeekAndFind; All
In medical parlance it is known as "secondary trauma",

In regular parlance this is known as "invented Islamofascist apologetic bullcrap presented by an self-exterminating media whorehouse."


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

39 posted on 11/08/2009 7:13:33 PM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: SeekAndFind

EXCUSE ME THE ONLY BRUTAL TOLL HE WAS INTERESTED IN WAS THE DEATHS OF HIS BREATHREN THE ISLAMOFASISTS.
I bet if the FBI actually asked him he would tell them he wanted to kill the soldiers, but waited for a more dramatic statement.


40 posted on 11/08/2009 7:14:07 PM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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...but it is not uncommon for therapists treating soldiers with Post Trumatic Stress Disorder (P.T.S.D.) to be swept up in a patient's displays of war-related paranoia, helplessness and fury...this is nonsense - mental health therapists hear all sorts of horrific and frightening stories about all sorts of issues - part of their training is to ensure they can keep an objective distance from what they are dealing with and not allow themselves to get drawn in - the real problem is that during his residency Hasan was not properly screened and dropped from the program if he was unable to maintain his objectivity - but of course the Army had already invested so much money in his training, and he was after all a Muslim whom we shouldn't discriminate against, that he was allowed to continue.....
41 posted on 11/08/2009 7:21:47 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Nervous Tick; jazusamo; SeekAndFind
Tim McGirk. The puke that “broke” the Haditha “massacre”. He never met an enemy of America that he didn’t love instantly.

Yep, I noticed McGirk's name too. John Murtha ran with McGirk's Haditha fantasy and slandered good Marines.

Murtha and McGirk, as detestable a duo as there ever was.

Hasan is a terrorist. Hasan is a terrorist sympathiser, Hasan is an Islamic jihadist.

Islam is not a religion of peace. Islam is not a religion of tolerance or even civility. Islam is not even a religion. Islam is a battle plan for total world conquest.

All we need to know from Hasan is the names and locations of those he has been in contact with. Once that gets sorted out, maybe some innocent lives can be saved.

42 posted on 11/08/2009 7:29:10 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: SeekAndFind

Liberals must have nightmares about offending terrorists to the point that the terrorists might do another Danny Pearl on them, but they miss the point...terrorists are cowards and will not fight a strong enemy...they prefer to cut off the heads of wimps, women and use unwitting losers to suicide bomb their innocent victims. Liberals have no street savy about their enemy which is why they are easier targets for terrorists than real men.


43 posted on 11/08/2009 7:36:58 PM PST by Stayfree (FLUSHTHE WHITE HOUSE AND CONGRESS BECAUSE THEY ARE FULL OF IT!!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Yes - I buy it was "secondary trauma"...

The 'secondary trauma' of regularly attending a mosque, and reading the koran ... this trauma has been known to drive many a person insane...

44 posted on 11/08/2009 7:40:59 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Evil and its enablers.


45 posted on 11/08/2009 7:46:07 PM PST by Interesting Times (For the truth about "swift boating" see ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

While the ‘bama cautions us not to jump to conclusions, the left is desperately jumping to any and all conclusions that exonerate Islam.


46 posted on 11/08/2009 7:56:11 PM PST by Spok
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To: smoothsailing; Nervous Tick; SeekAndFind; All
Thanks for the ping, Smooth.

Leave it to this pile of dung Tim McGirk and Time to pick up on this psycho babble and further it, Hasan is an Islamic terrorist, plain and simple!

Here's an excellent piece by LtCol Alan West, USA Ret for anyone who hasn't read it, it is a MUST read!

Lieutenant Colonel Allen B West (US Army, Ret) Statement on Fort Hood Shooting.

47 posted on 11/08/2009 7:56:46 PM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

That’s “Allen” West.


48 posted on 11/08/2009 7:58:49 PM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: SeekAndFind

Apart from the ones who are brainwashed from an early age in madrassahs and such, I think there are always multiple factors involved. Why did the whackjob bicycle cabbie in New York, who’s posting praises of Hasan on his jihadist website, choose to convert from ultra-Orthodox Judaism to ultra-insane Islam? Obviously it wasn’t “because he was a Muslim”.


49 posted on 11/08/2009 8:04:53 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: smoothsailing
This 24x7 priority campaign diffusing Hasan's behavior does not work for me.

I asked the following in another thread:

Did Hasan ever thank the US soldiers for the sacrifice they made while fighting along side the Muslims with which he "felt a kinship to"? Or did Hasan feel a kinship to the radical Muslims the military was fighting against?

The Ft. Hood Killer - Guilty But Not Evil
(Psychology Today ^ | November 7, 2009 | Mark Goulston )

50 posted on 11/08/2009 8:14:28 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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