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Armed And Female
Pajamas Media ^ | November 6 | Clayton E. Cramer

Posted on 11/07/2009 9:48:00 AM PST by AJKauf

A recent article in the Telegraph discusses the rise of “ladies-only gun camps.” Why ladies-only? The article doesn’t say, but I know that similar training efforts have been sex-segregated because some women feel a bit intimidated by the inevitable “let me show you how it’s done, little lady” behavior that some guys exhibit — as if there’s something intrinsically masculine about shooting a gun.

Of course, there isn’t. Nor should this be a surprise. The tragedy at Fort Hood was ended by a female police officer. What might have been an even bigger massacre in Colorado Springs two years ago was stopped because an armed woman named Jeanne Assam stopped a mass murderer with a rifle and 1,000 rounds of ammunition in the lobby of a church.

While gun ownership in America has traditionally been associated with militia duty — which men were required to do and from which women were excluded — throughout our history, at least some women have been armed and quite proficient. Unsurprisingly, the closer to the frontier you were, the more common this was. Henry Rowe Schoolcraft’s account of his travels in 1819 Arkansas describes his surprise at one small settlement where he attempted to engage the lady of the house and her daughters in polite conversation:.....

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; women

1 posted on 11/07/2009 9:48:01 AM PST by AJKauf
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To: AJKauf
Never understood the average females aversion to guns.

Guns make people equal. Which would you rather do ladies?

Try going hand to hand with a 6 ft 250lbs rapist or put 2 slugs in his chest, one in his head from across the room?

2 posted on 11/07/2009 9:52:12 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Note to the GOP: Do not count your votes until they are cast.)
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To: AJKauf; Bender2

ironically, a woman who parents died at the Kileen Luby’s in 1991 had a gun in her car but could not use because of Texas law.


3 posted on 11/07/2009 9:53:26 AM PST by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: AJKauf
Strong, weapon-enabled women scare the bejeezus out of Muzzie misogynists!

4 posted on 11/07/2009 9:53:31 AM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: AJKauf

When society breaks down, women are the most vulnerable.


5 posted on 11/07/2009 9:57:40 AM PST by PGR88
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To: AJKauf

My firearms instructer told our class, (100% male), “Two things a man should never try to teach his wife or girlfriend is to Drive, or Shoot Firearms”.

Incidently, he also stated that our class was the first all-male class in years.


6 posted on 11/07/2009 10:00:21 AM PST by gigster
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To: MNJohnnie

There are lots of women who are “manly: than many males - Obama comes to mind.


7 posted on 11/07/2009 10:02:53 AM PST by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: AJKauf

I always carry my .32 Beretta Tomcat. I’m trying to build up my wrist and arm muscles to be able to carry my dads’ 1911A1 Springfield .45 ... my .32 is loaded with Glaser Safeties alternating with Hydra-shocks ..... and I don’t believe in signs .....


8 posted on 11/07/2009 10:03:30 AM PST by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: VictoryGal

She is some beauty.


9 posted on 11/07/2009 10:14:56 AM PST by DWC (what do kids know about)
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To: Perdogg
...a woman who parents died at the Kileen Luby’s in 1991 ...

Her name is Suzanna Gratia-Hupp.

10 posted on 11/07/2009 10:24:38 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: MNJohnnie

> Never understood the average females aversion to guns.

It’s all down to how we are raised, and the left has a big impact too. “Traditional” families (with no thought to REAL tradition, where pioneer women had to be handy with firearms) train their daughters that guns are for boys. Liberal families teach their children that guns are bad, but especially bad for women because they are “earth mothers” (yecch).

Luckily I was brought up in a REAL traditional family with deep roots on how this country was founded. And with an understanding that there is nothing quite so naturally fierce and deadly as a mother bear protecting her cubs.


11 posted on 11/07/2009 10:46:00 AM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: MNJohnnie

It’s not really an aversion. For one thing, if you have a smaller hand or a weaker grip, it can be hard to fire a handgun. I can’t fire an automatic because it takes me forever to get the slide back, which usually makes it jam.

Revolvers tend to be more reliable but they can be heavy. However, with new materials, they’re getting lighter, and in any case most women would only shoot when the person was fairly close, so even a small one would work.

I have a daughter who is in law enforcement, btw, and she told me something about the training that this woman had gone to. It’s called ASRRT or something like that, and it means assertive. You go, you take the initiative, you attack. That’s exactly what the officer did at Fort Hood.

In short, I think the mentality is important. Women are not aggressive and we don’t think in terms of attacking. However, when you’re under attack, you can’t think only of defending yourself (the traditional pose, which resulted in deaths at Columbine and upstate NY a few months ago) but you have to take the initiative and be aggressive. This is what is going to be hard for all women, and, in our wimpified culture, for many men.


12 posted on 11/07/2009 10:58:44 AM PST by livius
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To: AJKauf
What might have been an even bigger massacre in Colorado Springs two years ago was stopped because an armed woman named Jeanne Assam stopped a mass murderer

I actually thought of her during all this. I couldn't remember her name, though. Jeanne Assam. Why can't our heros be more a part of our everyday consciousness, rather than the bimbos of Hollywood?

13 posted on 11/07/2009 11:00:02 AM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: Perdogg
Yep, that was Suzanne Gratia Hupp, and I'll never forget her testimony before Congress. She pointed her finger directly at UpChuck Schumer and told him that she held HIM and all others like him, responsible for the deaths of her parents and all the others that day in Luby's. Because she, a law abiding citizen, was not allowed to carry her gun in her purse, that man was able to walk through that restaurant at his leisure, shooting as he went.

It was one of the most heart and gut wrenching statements I've ever heard in any Congressional hearing.

14 posted on 11/07/2009 11:02:49 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: MNJohnnie

Not all of us have an aversion to guns. My dad made sure I could shoot as well as my brother. I now own a gun and my brother does not.....


15 posted on 11/07/2009 11:03:19 AM PST by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: livius

Threaten my children and you will find out is a hurry just how aggressive a woman can be....

Have you not heard the term “mama grizzly”?


16 posted on 11/07/2009 11:05:16 AM PST by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

Because heros are out doing their jobs while hollweird bimbos have PR firms busy making sure their name is in the news every other day.


17 posted on 11/07/2009 11:06:17 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Note to the GOP: Do not count your votes until they are cast.)
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To: livius

BTW I am very average in size and have no problem firing my .40. If strength is a problem, there are hand and wrist exercises that can be done.


18 posted on 11/07/2009 11:06:39 AM PST by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: VictoryGal
I grew up with guns in the house; Daddy had his rifles and shotguns in a rack on the den wall. But I never expressed any desire to learn to shoot, so he never taught me. My younger sister became a police officer, and never went anywhere without her service revolver. Don't know what she carries now.

SirKit and I just went to our Firearms Safety Class a couple of weeks ago, and got letters of reference sent in to the town's Police Chief,(one from our Pastor) so we can each get our Class A License to Carry.

Our instructor said that as part of the fee for the class, he includes an hour at the Pistol and Rifle Range, so we can try out all types of weapons to see what we might like. I frankly can't wait to try out the pump shotgun, but for keeping in the car with me, if I'm driving late at night, or for close by in the house if hubby's gone, we might get a 22. Our instructor's wife had one, and it was very comfortable to hold. I've never fired a gun before, so it will be a new experience for me, but I'm looking forward to it.

19 posted on 11/07/2009 11:10:25 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: AJKauf

for women I also recommend Paxton Quigley: Armed & Female


20 posted on 11/07/2009 11:18:37 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Mom MD

Oh, I agree. Threaten my children and you’re dead.

Years ago, when my kids were young, I was living in a neighborhood that had a lot of biker gang members living there. This was SF, so these were seriously bad biker gangs that managed to leave a trail of bodies behind them mostly because of drug dealing wipe-outs.

One of the boys (only about 12 yrs old, but about 5’6” and fat) from a group across the street had been harrassing my little girls, who liked to play out front, and one day he showed up with a chain and began to threaten them. I’m very small and thin, but I rushed down the steps, chased him down the street, tackled him and dragged him down. He burst into tears and the neighbors started screaming for me to leave him alone. Neither he nor his family ever bothered my kids again.

Never cross a mother.


21 posted on 11/07/2009 11:22:44 AM PST by livius
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To: livius
Revolvers tend to be more reliable but they can be heavy. However, with new materials, they’re getting lighter, and in any case most women would only shoot when the person was fairly close, so even a small one would work.

Taurus makes quite a few models out of titanium. Very light, but sturdy weapons. I've even recall seeing one with a sorta purple hue to it.

I couldn't believe how light a Taurus .357 Titanium was, compared to my D.Wesson.

22 posted on 11/07/2009 11:38:12 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: DWC

“She is some beauty.”

And the woman looks nice, too!;)


23 posted on 11/07/2009 11:56:49 AM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Frank_2001

Yes, indeed. Conservative women...aah:)


24 posted on 11/07/2009 12:58:52 PM PST by DWC (what do kids know about)
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To: SuziQ

A 22 is nice and handy, you’ll like it. To me, rifles are too big to handle around the house but I like ‘em on the range :-)


25 posted on 11/07/2009 1:01:08 PM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: SuziQ
, if I'm driving late at night, or for close by in the house if hubby's gone, we might get a 22.

My wife used to carry a .22 until I got her a Bersa .380. It's a nice gun, shoots to point of aim, and the recoil is hardly noticeable. I suggest you give one a try.

26 posted on 11/07/2009 2:08:52 PM PST by JoeFromSidney
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To: JoeFromSidney

Oh, I’ll try as many I as I can before we buy anything.


27 posted on 11/07/2009 2:20:07 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: JoeFromSidney

I made the mistake 3 years ago of taking my new wife to the range. She has NEVER fired a pistol before in her life. AT that time my choice was a Kimber Ultra Carry .45 ACP. She finally agreed to try. NEVER, NEVER take you wife to the range and let her shoot your Kimber. It will not be yours anymore. She was scared of the recoil, but the double recoil springs ate the recoil and she could (and still can) hold it and put all of them in the 10 ring at 5 meters. Good enough for a small woman with a .45 ACP. I ended buying two new Kimbers for myself. (My step daughter likes to shoot too! Good thing I make some good money!!)


28 posted on 11/07/2009 5:29:11 PM PST by rustyboots
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To: JoeFromSidney

I made the mistake 3 years ago of taking my new wife to the range. She has NEVER fired a pistol before in her life. AT that time my choice was a Kimber Ultra Carry .45 ACP. She finally agreed to try. NEVER, NEVER take you wife to the range and let her shoot your Kimber. It will not be yours anymore. She was scared of the recoil, but the double recoil springs ate the recoil and she could (and still can) hold it and put all of them in the 10 ring at 5 meters. Good enough for a small woman with a .45 ACP. I ended buying two new Kimbers for myself. (My step daughter likes to shoot too! Good thing I make some good money!!)


29 posted on 11/07/2009 5:29:44 PM PST by rustyboots
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To: rustyboots

Sorry for double post.


30 posted on 11/07/2009 5:30:36 PM PST by rustyboots
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