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Posted on 11/07/2009 4:58:36 AM PST by Clive
I just can't keep it in. I know I shouldn't boast but, well, as a Roman Catholic I simply have to.
We've won. I mean, we actually have won. The church founded by Christ has become the one and only institution hated by assorted Marxists, maniacs and misanthropes. In the space of a single week, we had the following:
The Washington Post ran achingly predictable self-promoter and professional atheist, Richard Dawkins, writing that the Catholic Church was "surely up there among the leaders" as "the greatest force for evil in the world."
He described the eucharist as a "cannibal feast" -- incredibly significant in that this is just what the Romans said as they ripped Christians apart and cut off their heads -- and then, in an almost racist manner, moaned on about missionaries sent out "to tell deliberate lies to AIDS-weakened Africans" regarding condoms.
He then, of course, spoke of priests "buggering altar boys." Maybe it's sexual repression that makes Catholic-bashers so fascinated with this particular horror, but it's interesting that many of the same people who want to lower the age of consent for gay sex to 14 become so allegedly upset about abusive homosexual clergy. Apparently it's OK to bugger teenagers as long as they're not altar boys.
The Los Angeles Times devoted an entire editorial to claiming that "church leaders, including popes, have changed their thinking over the years about everything from usury to the culpability of Jews for the crucifixion." Fascinating if true, but anybody with a schoolboy education ought to know that the church always has held sinful humanity, and not any single ethnic group, responsible for the crucifixion.
The editorial went on to state that "you don't have to be Catholic (or Anglican) to realize that society as a whole would be better off if the church's views of women and gays underwent a similar evolution."
Good lord, some people are obsessed with homosexuality.
The church, while concerned about sexual brokenness, is more interested in the billions of poor and marginalized people, which is why it does more for the starving and destitute throughout the world than any other body in history. Even more than white, wealthy liberal journalists in North America!
Then the New York Times ran a column calling the Pope -- try to be more original -- "God's Rottweiler" and referred to him as being a member of the Hitler Youth. Yes, he was. As was almost every young German. Unlike most, however, he was an anti-Nazi and his father risked his life opposing fascism. If only the American and Canadian governments had been as pre-emptive and brave in their defence of the Jews and condemnation of Hitler.
Yet it's all such a compliment. Because, with all due respect, nobody really cares enough about the Anglicans, the United Church, their American cousins and the rest of the moribund group to hate them or even criticize them.
If you stand for nothing, you're not worth attacking. Every insult is a victory, every libel a win, every lying vulgarity a triumph. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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Richard Dawkins is clearly a very unhappy person with a disordered mind. He is a little too preoccupied with his warped and twisted view of the world and probably uncomfortable with those who agree with him, an empty feeling among all. Maybe he will repent.
What does it profit a man if he gain the whole world and lose his own soul?
1COR 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1COR 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1COR 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1COR 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
GAL 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
GAL 1:2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
GAL 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
GAL 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
GAL 1:5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
GAL 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
GAL 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
GAL 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
GAL 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
GAL 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
GAL 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
GAL 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Excellent!
As a Christian and a Catholic I can say w/o a doubt that we could not have picked a more useful enemy than this twisted little man.
What other advocate would be so stupid as to approach his enemy w/o the slightest inkling of that enemy's real strength. He walks blindly into traps of his own construction.
Any child w/ a grammer school Bible education can rip to shreds Dawkin's misinformed arguments. His so-called understanding of Christianity is laughable.
Thanks for sharing God’s Word with us, kindred.
Excerpt from the Communist Manifesto:
""There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc. that are common to all states of society. But Communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion, and all morality, instead of constituting them on a new basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all past historical experience."
The Communist Manifesto: www.gutenberg.org/etext/61
Yes, unlike Islam which has been a beacon of intellectualism, spirituality, and love.
Amen...
Au contraire. It is fairly obvious that fundamentalist Protestants, the "religious right" are even more hated and despised.
In the popular media, Catholic priests are quite frequently portrayed as admirable men. A conservative Protestant almost never. In fact, I can't think of the last time I saw such a portrayal.
My apologies in advance if this is a 'caucus thread'. My liberal Catholic in-laws agree with a social gospel and the TOE. And they agree with Nanny state Pelosi, and the recently planted Teddy the 'lion' of the Senate 'universal' health care plan. It is to early to be calling out the winners and losers.
Well. That was refreshing.
Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you (falsely) because of me.
Rejoice and be glad, for your reward will be great in heaven. Thus they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
In other words, hate for Fundamentalists is more of an American Leftist thing.
Regardless, we should all stand together as Christians. When I hear Leftists slandering the Religious Right in this country, I always stick up for my Fundamentalist brethren and defend us all as Christians.
Thanks for the ping, Clive.
Judith Anne, you still here?
When is she not?
A good Opus just doesn't mean what it used to.
In the popular media, Catholic priests are quite frequently portrayed as admirable men. A conservative Protestant almost never. In fact, I can't think of the last time I saw such a portrayal.
That is 100% accurate. The media hates nothing as much as a conservative, Protestant white guy.
Where?
No offense intended, but I can't think of any areas where RC's dominate and conservatives run the govt. They are all blue areas.
How can they control anything. RC's don't elect conservatives. They don't elect pro-life politicians. Areas of the country where they compromise a dominant majority are all blue.
They had a bunch of Bishops come out and declare you couldn't vote for pro-abortion candidates in 2009 and a majority of RC's did vote for pro-abortion candidates. There is a disconnect between what is said and what the members do. IOW, they don't have the power people think they do.
I went to my cousin’s baptism in a RC church just prior to the election last year. (I’m one of those evil fundamentalist protestants) The entire homily was a commercial for Obama. If it had not been a family baptism I would have walked out in the middle in disgust.
I don’t go to RC churches very often but I have to think there was at least knowledge of this preaching by the archbishop. In addition, my only liberal friend is RC - believes the social gospel all the way. In her mind this outweighs the abortion issue (which is her only conservative position) I think the RC church is more often in bed with liberals than not - just my observation.
That's a WASP.
and mine as well.
I think the evidence points that way.
So either the church is liberal or it lacks the ability to lead it's members.
Interesting juxtaposition. Or is it?
What??? Joseph Ratzinger, ex-Hitler Youth and later a member for two years of an anti-aircraft unit shooting down Allied planes and whose father was a SS officer by virtue of his German police force being absorbed into the SS under Himmler, was "braver" and more "pre-emptive" than the United States government who sent more than 400,000 American men to die fighting Hitler in WWII while the Ratzinger family retired to a bucolic life in Bavaria???
KABOOM!!!
Hey UC always nice to see your input.
If they are in bed with liberals what does that say about their leaders deductive reasoning? Liberalism always leads back to the state being in control "for everyone's own good". The state is not going to want some church getting in the way. Why get in bed with someone who will hurt you?
Give it another generation - the up-and-coming seminarians have virtually no interest in the liberal (political or theological) nonsense that the last couple generations of clergy have been enthralled with.
I suspect that on matters of judgment, I'd agree with you more than with the pastor at the baptism you described.
That dodge may be what’s taught today in parochial schools but anyone with an ability to google knows otherwise...
“(Pope) Innocent III: (1205) “God is not displeased, but, rather, finds it acceptable that the Jewish dispersion shall live under Catholic kings and Christian priests... Because of the Jews’ intolerable sin I will be your [Jews] Lord since imperialist authority opposed everlasting servitude on the Jews from ancient times as punishment for the Christ-killing...The Jews’ guilt of the crucifixion of Jesus consigned them to perpetual servitude, and, like Cain, they are to be wanderers and fugitives. The Jews will not dare to raise their necks, bowed under the yoke of perpetual slavery, against the reverence of the Christian faith.”
You have to go back to 1205 to find a quote to support your bigotry? How about we go back 800 years and quote some of your church fathers?
Any Catholic should be able to tell you that on Palm Sunday during the gospel reading we as a people proclaim “crucify him”. We as a people crucified Christ. We are all at fault.
The Catholic church may have its problems, but so do all other denominations. Yours included.
One can not be a Catholic and a Democrat. Also impossible.
They are somehow mistaken. Either they really don't believe the liberal Democrat philosophy, or, they really don't believe the Catholic faith.
What I say is the stone truth.
But you can tell by their votes, dollars spent, and rhetoric what they really believe and what they really don't believe.
They are the unfortunate souls who, on the Day of Wrath, protest that they prayed in the Lord's churches and are not deserving of condemnation.
These types have infiltrated the Church through and through but you will notice that the Church has not changed to accomodate their beliefs. They are self-deluded moles who think they are Catholic. But the Church remains the Church.
Their true faith is the Democrat-liberal-socialist philosophy. They can not accept that they don't believe in Catholicism, because there are so many of them to reinforce their common delusion, in the clergy and in the rank and file.
Ultimately the Heavenly Father will 'judge' and Christ will be the only advocate when the face to face occurs. I can only respond by what I have personally witnessed. And even the lone 'conservative' Catholic I know has become inebriated with the hate all things Bush served up daily by the Jon Stewart media.
I’m not sure what conservatives running the government have to do with it at all? The article is mainly about the Left versus Chrsitians—not the Right versus the Christians.
I was simply pointing out that in a huge swarth of the Christian world, the dominate flavor of Christianity is not fundamentalist Protestant.
I’m referring to Central and South America, Southern Germany; France, Spain, Portugal and Southern and Eastern Europe, and Russia. My friend, that’s a huge swarth of the world.
The Chrsitian countries where Protestant Christianity prevails include Northern Europe, 2/3rds of Canada, half of the USA, and a greal deal of Australia and New Zealand.
But all that is beside the point. I agree that the Left is very eager to portray Fundamentalist Christians in a bad light, as the person I was replying to said. I said us Christians need to defend one another from these attacks. Don’t you agree?
Agree completely, they definitely are.
I was going to post that beatitude also. You just beat me to it. BTTT!
I dont believe some of the accusations made toward the RCC have anything to do with persecution for Christ.
Of course, this doesn't apply to Dawkins, who lives in a country where the Catholic Churches are lucky to have had a wave of Polish immigrants to fill the pews over the past few years.
Buggery, murder (inquisitions)...... in the here and now... embracing Obama by having him speak at Notre Dame...jailing those that protested...lmao....persecuted for Christ....you must be delusional.
I think you are a little fast and loose with the facts there, Babylon. Eastern Europe and Russia are Catholic? Have you ever heard of the Orthodox Church? They are not Roman Catholics.
Only half of the USA is non-Catholic? The only areas that are predominantly Catholic is the Northeast, southern Louisiana, and a smattering elsewhere. The USA is not half Roman Catholic!
I might add, the areas I mentioned in the USA that are predominantly Roman Catholic are also the strongholds of Liberalism. Any connection there? No, surely not.
With one exception, southern Louisiana, Cajuns are conservative.
Same desperate vicious smears, different day.
As Göbbels wills.
A common lie often repeated.
yes.... YES it is as you say...they conspire with history...nanu, nanu...
Her denomination was founded by a racist segregationist.
However, sasportas, if you look at my original post, #15, you'd see that I said:
Please note, however, that in other places besides the United States, the prevalent Christian denomination is Catholic or Orthodox, and therefore raises the ire of Liberals, Leftists and Marxists in those locales.
So in that regard, I was certainly counting Orthodox Christians.
I'll stand corrected and apologize for saying the USA is half Catholic. It is not, it is one quarter. I assumed it was larger.
In any case, I stand by the fact that Marxists hate Christians, whether they be Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant, and I certainly stand with other Chrsitians in pointing that out, and defending all of us.:
St Paul, Galatians 3:28: There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.
That's great!
I think that Victorian image of Jesus as an effeminate mild mannered wimp has infected too many Christians.
In any case, I stand by the fact that Marxists hate Christians, whether they be Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant, and I certainly stand with other Chrsitians in pointing that out, and defending all of us.
Agreed. Marxists - and Democrats, same thing - are our common enemy.
FWIW, Illinois is dominated by Chicago which is heavily RC.
Still, I do agree there are a heck of a lot of Catholics In Name Only in the Northeast and Midwest, but also a heck of a lot of Protestants In Name Only in the West coast states. I don't think one's Christian denomination makes one a Liberal, but rather any allegiance AWAY from Christ does.
A Catholic that truly followed his Church's admonitions and dogma would be very opposed to much of the Left's agenda, including abortion, euthanasia, environment over mankind, Earth Worship, respect for private property, not coveting another man's wages through excessive taxes, Jesus out of the Classroom (no prayer in school, etc), and the whole secular Anti-God screed. There are two things I disagree with politically with my church on: Our bishop admonishises us to be against the death penalty, but I am for it, and he wants us to help illegal immigrants, and give them amnesty--I think they should be deported (the ones that are legally standing in line and waiting for a visa are the ones getting hosed, and I've told the bishop this!).
I don’t know whether a majority of RCs voted for pro-abortion candidates, but I do have several RC family members who do vote for pro-abortion candidates, and who even themselves participated in & sanctioned abortion. So anecdotally, it’s plausible to me. In fact, here in Illinois, Lisa Madigan, our AG, is Catholic and pro-abortion in the extreme. Takes big money from Planned Parenthood. Threatens crisis pregnancy centers that don’t offer abortion as ‘shams.” Yeesh.
But many local Illinoisans seem unaware of her position, so some of it can be attributed to that. Nevertheless, many more do seem to know. She won in 2006 with over half the vote. 1.7 million something. How many of those were Catholic? Don’t know. But is there a majority who vote pro-abortion? I doubt it. Lots of pro-life groups here too, and heavily manned by Catholics. Is there a statistician in the house?
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