Posted on 11/06/2009 10:31:59 PM PST by bruinbirdman
Worshippers at one of Britain’s biggest mosques reacted to the Fort Hood shooting yesterday by saying Muslims who serve in the Armed Forces are complicit in killing their “brothers and sisters” in Afghanistan.
However, a Muslim ex-soldier who twice served in Afghanistan said that the shooting could not be justified by any mainstream interpretation of Islam. Speaking to The Times after Friday prayers at East London mosque, young Muslim men said the lives of those who follow Islam were of more value than those of non-believers. They gave only their first names, claiming that the authorities might place them under investigation.
Mustapha, 26, from South London, said that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were wars against Muslims and he would not consider joining the Army nor encourage fellow Muslims to. “I would not fight against my friends and brothers,” the house-builder said. “The Koran says even if you make allies with non-Muslims and join them to kill Muslims, then you die as a non-believer.”
Asked his views on the killings at Fort Hood, he said: “Killing military members is all right. If you are killing people who are fighting against Muslims then that’s okay.”
Abdul-Hakim, 17, who was born in Britain but spent his formative years in Tanzania, said it was a bigger crime to kill Muslims than non-Muslims such as the soldiers at Fort Hood: “For you to go and kill your own brother, that’s more of a crime than killing them.” Ashraf, a Somali-born A-level student, said that only God could judge the murders committed by Major Hasan. “I’m not saying I justify it,” said the 17-year-old. “But maybe if he was alive he could justify what he done.”
But their views contrasted with those of other Muslims. Zeeshan Hashmi, 30, who was born in Pakistan and served
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Sorry to say it, but what other conclusion can a rational person make?
It may not be justified but is it condoned and given imprimatur by the silent observation and approval of a death worshiping cult?
In Pakistan, they drop leaflets declaring everyone in a province "terrorists". Then they give everyone a period of time to get out.
Anyone left in the area is assumed to be a terrorist.
A free fire zone has been created.
yitbos
God defeated Allah at Fort Hood.He also did not let Hasan die to gain a seat next to his perverted god.
Political Correctness is used to keep America blind to what actually goes on inside a Mujihads heart mind. The left has worked so hard at making sure that America does not see its war against Terror as a religious war, when in fact the enemy sees it as EXACTLY that. A religious war.
This is , as Bush said, a war against evil. And evil came to Fort Hood in the form of a jihadi who was in fact possessed by Allah.For me this incident has shades of the movie “Exorcist.”
And Good has triumphed, even though so many innocents died.
This truth of which we speak needs to me shared with America as much as possible.America needs to know of the evil which it faces, at long last. No matter what the left want to make of it.
The religious practice of the Mujihad needs to be explained to every one. There is an inner prayer designed to connect one with the self righteous energy of Allah, who literally takes over the body and mind of the jihadine.Thats what happened here.A kind of Muslim spiritual possession.Hasan was not insane, or deranged. He was just fired up on his prayers and energized.He was executing a religious ritual which he believed would open the gates of heaven for him.
The MSM will not properly inform the public about this religious practise of jihadism.It would no longer be a war on terror,The terrorists could no longer be redefined as “criminals” by Obama , who should be Mirandized with the benefits of due process that Bush had made sure to remove, as deserved.
Everyone who worries about terrorism and “extremist” Moslems should get a good translation of the Koran and read it. It is tedious but not long and it is educational. And learn come history of Islam and its relations with the rest of the world. When the Islamic world or a section of it is prosperous and wealthy it expands against its neighbors und conquers until it is totally militarily defeated and rendered NON prosperous. Then the Islamic world becomes lethargic and Moslems are focused on food and shelter for the day. That has been the cycle for 13+ centuries and will continue until all the people of the world are Moslem or until none are. Read the book.
1 Moslem out of 8 billion said it was not the Religion of Death’s fault, so the media says it is not.
yitbos
That line is wearing thin! When “moderate” muslims start turning in their terrorist brothers it will show that they mean what they say!
Sounds like a similar philosophy to that laid out by a door-gunner in “Full Metal Jacket:” Anyone who runs is a terrorist; anyone who stands still is a well-disciplined terrorist.
until all the people of the world are Moslem or until none are
I like the latter idea
I don’t need to read the book, I read what moslems do in the paper and see it on TV. Acts speak louder than words.
Koran - should be the name of a popular dog food.
Yes...they choose their words carefully don’t that. TECNICALLY they did not issue a statement justifyng the massacre so we should therefore not be ‘too hasty’ to imply they ‘approve’ because...well ‘approve’ is a different word, spelled differently, than ‘justify’ and well...they don’t feel that countless individuals who speak of their support for killing in the name of jihad are formally registered representatives of the cult so...see...it’s all different.
I can’t recall the name of the radio broadcaster who confronted this parsing immediately after a suicide bombing but whoever he was, he waited for a prim, pedantic caller who was Muslim to admonish listeners to remember that they shouldn’t embrace an ‘ignorant’ impression of his religion because Islam is a religion of peace. This caller seemed to relish his role of moral purist, talking down to the infidels and telling them to stop thinking such ‘base’ thoughts. The radio host cut of the microphone of the caller and launched. He shouted “You don’t speak for your entire religion. Islamic fundamentalists just killed a bunch of people and I am watching footage of muslims celebrating in the streets - YOU have nothing to say representative of Islam - you’re just one person calling to deny what we’re all watching on television. WHO are you to try to whitewash...etc.” I can’t quote him well, in fact I am doing a terrible job of it, but you get the idea - ‘don’t tell me about ROP while we still haven’t washed the blood off the walls’ was sort of his take on it. And I loved it.
I'd rather they were placed in shackles and returned to the pile of sand from whence they came.
You are a bad person. Dr. Phil says so:
9.26 minutes long. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae8qYjrh_gw
Wonder if Dr. Phil will retract his syllabic statement today.
Phsycho Tard
If you want to listen to two muslim apologists listen to the whole thing.
If your A.D.D. can’t handle the whole thing, queue to 3:55 and listen to Larry King go off about saying the killer’s last name (it is his last name) and how that is incendiary.
Then listen to Dr. Phil go off on the JAG officer:
“I think that is irresponsible, to say. I, I, just don’t think we know enough about that…”
The JAG officer is saying get off the psycho babble and Dr. Phil continues to excoriate the JAG officer and discounting this as a terrorist act at 5:39
“You don’t take the guy’s last name and impugn the Islamic nation (where exactly is this nation?) Are you kidding me? What are you talking about?”
“That is irresponsible, it is ridiculous to say!”
Really Dr. Phil? As you were ridiculing our guy for calling it, like it is, a terrorist act, in solidarity with other terrorist around the world, Ibrahim Hooper, from the CAIR released the following statement at exactly the same you called out the JAG officer:
“We condemn this cowardly attack in the strongest terms possible and ask that the perpetrators be punished to the full extent of the law. No political or religious ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence. The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the all-volunteer army that protects our nation. American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere condolences to the families of those killed or injured.”
So who is right Dr. Phil? You? Or “The Nation of Islam”(Wherever that is) and the JAG officer? Hmmm…?
Dr. Phil, I would suggest that YOU are a Psycho Tard.
I would like to see these two get together so I can watch the great Dr. explain himself once again in flowery terms of warm humanity, how this peace loving animal needs a mental consolation prize.
It does no one any good to psycho babble these guys. They are part of a global cabal and cult that wants to kill and thinks going to their spiritual whorehouse, where they can rape 72 virgins for eternity, is an honor.
The rest of their peace loving family must understand this; until they go through a spiritual and mental reformation they can never be viewed as equal human beings or as a people, who respect other religions and people, without equivocation and their religious views are to be respected in the same way ours should be.
Moreover, their deafening silence gives both sanction and imprimatur to this cultist murderous behavior.
It is unbelievable that no one outside CAIR stands in solidarity, with humanity, to condemn this. CAIR, for those who are uninformed, because they just can’t be bothered with facts, is the modern day Muslim Brotherhood and PLA organization which seeks to act as a political arm of Islam and promote Islam by claiming they are the ones being martyred. Still yesterday, CAIR once again begins their fake condemnation of their brother in arms and then says there will surely be backlash against muslims. Really? Show me, Ibrahim Hooper, how many muslims died in the aftermath of 911? How many muslims were marginalized in the last eight years? The answer? NONE! You are a fatuous liar!
Islam is currently responsible for all major conflicts in the world. We see what is happening in Darfur. Islamic Arabs are emigrating south through Africa and in their wake leaving dead bodies of those they consider not worthy to be human anymore, as their faith is in the one true God, Jesus Christ. How can we accept you when you kill thousands of people around the world in the name of your pecuniary allah?
Your message of peace must not be real and therefore a fraud if you have to make converts with the blade of a knife or at the point of a gun. In fact, your belief system demands conversion, now, here on earth or death to the non-believer.
Really? I mean Really?! That is your message? Take precious time out my day and Pray to allah five times, each day, on a rug, facing east, with my ass in the air?
Why? So I can demonstrate fealty and vulnerability? Does this sound like a cult to you? It does to me.
Contrast your message with the message from my God.
For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. (you are no better and no worse than anyone else but, still less than God)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(God wants more for you and let his Son take on the Global Mantle of Sin for all mankind. Everyone, you and me)
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved (God says it is tough enough being alone here on earth without help or hope but he is here for your)
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus (Upon entering into a spiritual relationship with God and Jesus Christ, you are pardoned, loved and your sins washed away)
God is a gentleman and father and saying:
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
There is no exhortation to love God or perish through violence visited by a very fallible human being.
Only God can judge, for only he is perfect and knows what is or isn’t worthy or innocent.
Do you see the difference between our beliefs?
Your allah demands abeyance.
My God reaches his arms out to you, as a loving father, to hold you close, protect you and guide you.
God loves you.
So, this guy picks up a gun and kills people because he doesn’t want to be sent to Iraq to kill people.
Religion of peace. Repeat after me.
Was it Hitler who said if you repeat a lie enough people will eventually believe it is true?
The muslims have brought us a decade of violence. When is enough, enough?
maybe we should call it hate crime so dems will know what we are talking about.
Islam is terrorism. It’s in “Mein Quran”..
well yes...and because hearing people tell him about their PTSD made him feel so bad he had to induce PTSD in other innocent people with a mass shooting...
“So, this guy picks up a gun and kills people because he doesn’t want to be sent to Iraq to kill people.”
No no no. That is the mainstream media’s talking points. He picked up a gun because he is a muslim who wanted to kill infidels.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus
But Islamists and liberals keep trying to...
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