Posted on 11/06/2009 6:14:26 PM PST by Zakeet
The health bill that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is bringing to a vote (H.R. 3962) is 1,990 pages. Here are some of the details you need to know.
What the government will require you to do:
On Nov. 2, the Congressional Budget Office estimated what the plans will likely cost. An individual earning $44,000 before taxes who purchases his own insurance will have to pay a $5,300 premium and an estimated $2,000 in out-of-pocket expenses, for a total of $7,300 a year, which is 17% of his pre-tax income. A family earning $102,100 a year before taxes will have to pay a $15,000 premium plus an estimated $5,300 out-of-pocket, for a $20,300 total, or 20% of its pre-tax income. Individuals and families earning less than these amounts will be eligible for subsidies paid directly to their insurer.
(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...
Many more sickening details (pun intended) in the article. Do not read if you don't want your blood to boil!
It’s sick.
Any dem that votes for this will not be returning to office; stripped of their pensions(like they did us)and some will end up in jail.
hungry dog will eat a dirty pudding.
They throw around the American peoples money like it’s monopoly money.
Have they ever heard of tuition.
Food, clothing, house payments.
I heard some guy in the Dr office saying he wanted Obamacare because his prmiums were $1000 per month. I told him he should consider himself lucky if Obama care gets enacted. He’ll be paying double that. He said oh no.
Well it looks like he’s going to be paying 3000 more per year.
What an idiot.
And the AMA supports this?
What will they do if you refuse to particiate? Will they shoot you?
SICK!
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On Nov. 2, the Congressional Budget Office estimated what the plans will likely cost. An individual earning $44,000 before taxes who purchases his own insurance will have to pay a $5,300 premium and an estimated $2,000 in out-of-pocket expenses, for a total of $7,300 a year, which is 17% of his pre-tax income. A family earning $102,100 a year before taxes will have to pay a $15,000 premium plus an estimated $5,300 out-of-pocket, for a $20,300 total, or 20% of its pre-tax income. Individuals and families earning less than these amounts will be eligible for
• Sec. 303 (pp. 167-168) makes it clear that, although the “qualified plan” is not yet designed, it will be of the “one size fits all” variety. The bill claims to offer choice—basic, enhanced and premium levels—but the benefits are the same. Only the co-pays and deductibles differ. You will have to enroll in the same plan, whether the government is paying for it or you and your employer are footing the bill.
• Sec. 59b (pp. 297-299) says that when you file your taxes, you must include proof that you are in a qualified plan. If not, you will be fined thousands of dollars. Illegal immigrants are exempt from this requirement.
(ILLEGALS ARE EXCEMPT!)
• Sec. 412 (p. 272) says that employers must provide a “qualified plan” for their employees and pay 72.5% of the cost, and a smaller share of family coverage, or incur an 8% payroll tax. Small businesses, with payrolls from $500,000 to $750,000, are fined less.
We will ignore these laws.
They are asking for a revolution.
I feel like I live in a COMMUNIST country.
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• Sec. 1302 (pp. 672-692) moves Medicare from a fee-for-service payment system, in which patients choose which doctors to see and doctors are paid for each service they provide, toward what’s called a “medical home.”
A December 2008 Congressional Budget Office report noted that “medical homes” were likely to resemble the unpopular gatekeepers of 20 years ago if cost control was a priority.
• Sec. 1114 (pp. 391-393) replaces physicians with physician assistants in overseeing care for hospice patients.
• Secs. 1158-1160 (pp. 499-520) initiates programs to reduce payments for patient care to what it costs in the lowest cost regions of the country. This will reduce payments for care (and by implication the standard of care) for hospital patients in higher cost areas such as New York and Florida.
• Sec. 1161 (pp. 520-545) cuts payments to Medicare Advantage plans (used by 20% of seniors). Advantage plans have warned this will result in reductions in optional benefits such as vision and dental care.
• Sec. 1402 (p. 756) says that the results of comparative effectiveness research conducted by the government will be delivered to doctors electronically to guide their use of “medical items and services.”
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Like hell...
This monster has to be defeated and never allowed to come up again.
We are going to be seeing a lot of physicians either quit medicine or go bankrupt.
In the Pelosi plan it says we are felons for refusing to sign up!
Bejeezus!
That's quadrupling my costs! Just DAMN!!!!
It’s hard to believe this IS happening.
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• Sec. 399V (p. 1422) provides for grants to community “entities” with no required qualifications except having “documented community activity and experience with community healthcare workers” to “educate, guide, and provide experiential learning opportunities” aimed at drug abuse, poor nutrition, smoking and obesity. “Each community health worker program receiving funds under the grant will provide services in the cultural context most appropriate for the individual served by the program.”
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• Sec. 222 (p. 617) provides reimbursement for culturally and linguistically appropriate services. This program will train health-care workers to inform Medicare beneficiaries of their “right” to have an interpreter at all times and with no co-pays for language services.
• Secs. 2521 and 2533 (pp. 1379 and 1437) establishes racial and ethnic preferences in awarding grants for training nurses and creating secondary-school health science programs. For example, grants for nursing schools should “give preference to programs that provide for improving the diversity of new nurse graduates to reflect changes in the demographics of the patient population.” And secondary-school grants should go to schools “graduating students from disadvantaged backgrounds including racial and ethnic minorities.”
• Sec. 305 (p. 189) Provides for automatic Medicaid enrollment of newborns who do not otherwise have insurance.
More here ->
What’s in the 1,990 pages of health care?
http://www.defendyourhealthcare.us
This bill is nothing short of treason.
Reparations, pure and simple.
If this isn’t treason; I don’t know what is.
there it is again - another direct conduit to ACORN and sister outfits to funnel money from our pockets to the non-working minorities. Where have I heard that befo...oh, right "Redistribution of wealth"
I’m getting sick now — while I still can.
I like my chances of that never coming to pass......
The entire bill needs a constitutional challenge asap. It needs to be stopped. How can you force people to buy only govt products?
Be sure..that the MAJORITY of Doc's here are against this piece of baloney....
Maybe, maybe not.
The idiots in the Congress have no conception of the firestorm they will unleash.
This from a google search: http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2009/05/tricare-for-life-is-obama-trying-to.html
This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollee’s cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.)
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-HealthOptions.pdf
We are on both Medicare and TFL (hubby did his 20 in the Navy) this will halve our monthly income plus leave us with higher medical cost! We both have minor health problems that require our going to the doctor at least twice a year, just to get our RX's renewed. And it's a good year when we only have the two visits.
Marking to read later
Our local talk radio host was speaking about another provision which requires that all participants in government options (which will eventually be everyone) pay a MANDTORY premium to fund on-demand abortion.
US Congress has declared war against the American people; case closed.
No one is going to jail...
And many Dims that vote for this....WILL be placed back in office.
It's just wishful thinking...on your part. I understand it....but it's not reality.
The question is will the American people put up with this treason or drain the sewer by taking them to court in a national class action suit? 2010 we’ll start scraping the gutter clean.
From what I can see, it costs anyone who makes any money triple what it does now and guts Medicare too.
But of course, this isn’t a tax, this is a mandatory requirement.
ex animo
davidfarrar
Obamacare is failing because its mostly about punishing patients for stepping out of line for treatment by insurance plan doctors.
That is nearly a perfect palindrome and could probably be made so in German.
The Democrats appear to be virtually blind to the fact that they can't seem to come up with something having to do with healthcare without getting out the handcuffs, ironbedsteds and chains. Lordy, lordy, you really can imagine ol'Nancy in her boots and whips costume getting ready to lay stripes on the back of some schlub of a taxpayer who ran out of money before he could pay his $15,000 minimum price health insurance plan.
I am shaking with anger, and for the first time when it comes to the American government, with fear. This plan is going to literally destroy my children’s future. Everything that we scrimp and save is being applied to finance them attending private schools. We will not be able to afford giving our kids a real education, if we have to pay for this govt plan. I will be forced, effectively at gunpoint, to have this leviathan shoved down our throats and use our funds to pay for these outrageous gov’t premiums. Why are we being punished for being educated and working our asses off! What the hell is going on?
In the future they will be housed in a barracks like facility within a "greenzone" that puts them within walking distance of the Capitol building.
I’ll say it again, this only applies if you are an idiot and go along with it. I have no intention of paying sh*t to the government regarding my health care. Not in taxes, not in a plan, nothing. Let them arrest me and I will see them in court.
Guess we will find out because they can KMA and I can assure you I won’t participate and won’t pay any taxes that are assessed for it either.
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If it passes, with all of this crap in it, my doctor is moving elsewhere where he has a vacation home. We have one there too so I can move there permanently and still see my doctor. :)
bookmark and BTTT
Lord help us if this passes. :(:(:(
We are very close to 2nd Amendment exercise in this nation. I say this as a person who never even contemplated seeing this happen in our nation. We have a tyrannical government that is out of control.
Worse than I thought ping
My husband and I, 2 people, pay $10,200 a yr already in premiums with very little out of pocket expenses. Under this our premiums will double!!!!!! These people are raving lunatics!!!!
“A family earning $102,100 a year before taxes will have to pay a $15,000 premium plus an estimated $5,300 out-of-pocket, for a $20,300 total, or 20% of its pre-tax income.”
Drudge has two headlines;
PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;
Failure to Comply, 5 Years in Prison...
And as we say in Virginia - Sic Semper Tyrannus! (Thus ALWAYS to Tyrants!)
For later.
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