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Why Evolutionary-Based Science Is A Menace To Scientific Research, Discovery, and Progress
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Posted on 11/06/2009 9:39:16 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Why Evolutionary-Based Science Is A Menace To Scientific Research, Discovery, and Progress

Evolutionary-based research always begins with the inaccurate and unscientific presupposition that the Theory of Evolution, i.e. the Big Bang, the spontaneous generation of life, and common descent, is true.

Due to this systemic problem, scientific discovery and progress is severely hampered, not to mention the hundreds of millions of research dollars that are squandered every year.

In a time in which almost ANY alternative thought is given a platform, the evolution industry is silencing dissenting scientific evidence, even when it’s from fellow evolutionists!

See the growing list of dissenters and read the case histories of how the evolution industry is hopelessly locked in a battle with the Truth...

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To: tacticalogic

Many years is the loophole the YECs use so they don’t hate the IDers.


41 posted on 11/06/2009 2:53:25 PM PST by Wacka
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To: Wacka

They can use it if they want. Saying someone else uses it if that’s not actually the case is a different matter.


42 posted on 11/06/2009 2:59:03 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Due to this systemic problem, scientific discovery and progress is severely hampered, not to mention the hundreds of millions of research dollars that are squandered every year.

Very little scientific discovery and progress is hampered by evolution. If you look through any standard text on molecular biology you'll see a few instances of genuflection toward the shrine of Darwin, but otherwise no mention. The same is true for almost every biological field except for that actually called "evolutionary biology." If you want to see really egregious abuse of public funds, you don't have to look any farther than "global warming" and "climate change." If you can come up with a clever spin for your proposed research that involves these two terms, you'll increase your chance of funding. If you're so blatant as to propose something attacking the concepts behind either, you'll go wanting. Even those whose research provides evidence against AGW find a way to excuse their results so they won't seem to be an attack on the New Theology.
43 posted on 11/06/2009 3:09:00 PM PST by aruanan
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To: nmh
From the article:

"The public schools lack focus; instead of concentrating on education, they dabble in social re-engineering"

Wanting to follow a religious agenda instead of teaching science. The goal of the ID movement is admittedly a larger social change.

Among teachers of high school biology and life sciences classes, approximately 31 percent of them do not have at least a minor in biology.

And thus more susceptible to the pseudoscience crap they heard in church instead of knowing the real science of biology.

No, Science is NOT about “religion”

You are correct. Now if only we could get the IDers to quit trying to put religion into the science curriculum.

44 posted on 11/06/2009 4:04:58 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: nmh
"It is a test given to ALL 30 of the industrialized countries. The U.S, is ALWAYS at the bottom for YEARS."

It is because “evolution” is NOT SCIENCE. the US is the only one where it is PC to pretend that "creation-delugism" has any connexion to reality.

45 posted on 11/06/2009 4:13:35 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ("To psychiatry! The cause of... and solution to... all of life's problems")
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
If these scientists views are being repressed, how does anyone what they are?

They have PR

“Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help! I'm being repressed!”

46 posted on 11/06/2009 4:16:19 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ("To psychiatry! The cause of... and solution to... all of life's problems")
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To: GodGunsGuts
Same process they are now using on “global warming” and teaching our kids to be leftist commies. The educational system is extremely corrupt and has been co opted by left wing loonies for some time.

I ask people who believe in evolution to consider that they too may have been brainwashed by an education system that pushes out big lies and suppresses truth. Could not you also be a victim of their lying apparatus? If you were in school today would you now believe in global warming and minimally have at least leanings toward the left?

It is also obvious that underneath it all is a spiritual battle. What could ultimately be accomplished by turning our youth into evolution believing, leftist global warming believing, globalist? Satan wants souls and those that are his want you to become his also.

Turn them into global warming fanatics and this belief will cause them to have the earth as their religious center. Believing in "mother earth" which is a tenant of witchcraft will pervade the conscious instead of believing in The Father God Almighty. When you can get them to worship other than God you are damning them from His presence forever.

Cause them to, through their emotional wish to help all people, become leftist and you can take over their every thought. No more freedom to believe what you want. The government will control you and soon Christianity will become a crime punishable by death. The gospel will be suppressed and few will even hear it.

It is even possible that at the core of all of this corruption in our eductional system are actual Satan worshippers. Those that have consciously sold their soul to the devil and know that they are working for him. Don't let them ensnare you into their evil goals because what they really want is your soul.

47 posted on 11/06/2009 4:52:42 PM PST by Bellflower (If you are left DO NOT take the mark of the beast and be damned forever.)
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To: jimt
If the facts in those articles are true, you’ve made a good case for suppression being real.

Just as true as Tawana Brawley being raped.

48 posted on 11/06/2009 5:22:33 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

“It is because the US is the only one where it is PC to pretend that “creation-delugism” has any connexion to reality.”

It’s actually the other way around. The other countries teach SCIENCE not propaganda - EVOLUTION. The other countries teach SCIENCE and let the chips fall where they may. Science in the U.S. is ONLY evolution driven - it defies logic and there is NO evidence to support it. So we suck in Science.

The OTHER countries that beat the pants off the U.S. in SCIENCE and MATH. They don’t dwell on Darwin or shove “new math” at kids.


49 posted on 11/06/2009 6:35:29 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: antiRepublicrat

“Wanting to follow a religious agenda instead of teaching science. The goal of the ID movement is admittedly a larger social change.”

LOL! Aren’t you tired of the worn out line of “religion” as a defense to atheism - evolution? “Religion” has nothing to do with SCIENCE. THe FACTS are that evolution is JUNK SCIENCE. It is unprovable and lacks evidence to support it. The goal of “ID” is to teach SCIENCE! There you go again trying to frame it as “religion”.

“Among teachers of high school biology and life sciences classes, approximately 31 percent of them do not have at least a minor in biology.”

Okay, so you have IGNORANT peole teaching junk science.

“And thus more susceptible to the pseudoscience crap they heard in church instead of knowing the real science of biology.”

All they do is tout propaganda. The test book makers, McGraw Hill, Houghton Miton etc. actually have books written to suit what the schools WANT. So you hav estupid teachers teaching from biased unscientific books.

No, Science is NOT about “religion”

You are correct. Now if only we could get the IDers to quit trying to put religion into the science curriculum.

There you go again! Science is NOT about “religion”. “IDER’s” as you call them want SCIENCE not propaganda and junk Science.

We use Singapore Science. There is no “religion” in there. It is straight SCIENCE. It is the U.S. that is totally preoccuppied with Darwin and others like him. The Pacfic Rim is eating our lunch in both MATH and SCIENCE and you still want to frame the argumant as a “religious” one. How sad! You don’t get it. You are as brainwashed as those you are critical of teaching this crap in high school.

Frankly, you can blame “religion” or whateer you want. My kids are getting REAL SCIENCE.


50 posted on 11/06/2009 6:43:00 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
“religion” as a defense to atheism

Religion as a defense to science. It's happened whenever the religious become scared of scientific advances. They even accused Newton, a deeply religious man, of mixing the occult and science.

It is unprovable

Leave your proofs to math where they belong. Otherwise, we're talking about a scientific theory. Meanwhile, Natural Selection was coined by a person who was deeply religious at the time, but was able to separate his personal beliefs and science.

“IDER’s” as you call them want SCIENCE not propaganda and junk Science.

ID is founded in religion, and so is its precursor, creationism.

We use Singapore Science. There is no “religion” in there. It is straight SCIENCE.

I don't know anything about these people, but I just looked them up. You may be right since although they mention Behe's idiot book, they put a disclaimer on it that they in no way endorse or agree with it.

The people in Singapore and for the most part the rest of the industrialized world can't understand your problem with evolution. To them it's a non-issue. You have your belief, and that's fine. But teach the current state of science, and right now that's evolution.

51 posted on 11/06/2009 8:41:02 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


52 posted on 11/06/2009 9:28:36 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: nmh
You might want to review your talking points with Mr. Johnson

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53 posted on 11/07/2009 1:58:29 AM PST by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, Theres a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: Ira_Louvin

“You might want to review your talking points with Mr. Johnson.”

LOL!

You may want to review the Singapor Science curriculmn.

It’s straight Science. As I said, it’s ONLY the U.S. that dwells on Darwin and Evolution. As LEFTISTS ram PROPAGANDA in YOUR kids heads, the Pacific Rim teaches Sceince and beats the snot out of your kids when it comes to KNOWLEDGE. If you want your kids to be stupid, that’s your choice but constantly trying to frame the argument for propaganda and using “religion” doesn’t work and the TEST SCORES ALWAYS highlight how STUPID AMERICANS ARE when it comes to MATH and SCIENCE.

http://www.4brevard.com/choice/international-test-scores.htm

You can’t have strong Science when you foundation is crap.

We like Singapore Science. It focuses on SCIENCE rahter than Sci-fi tales. But hey, if you prefer fantasies that can’t be proven, that’s up to you!


54 posted on 11/07/2009 5:20:41 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: antiRepublicrat
I'll try ONE LAST TIME!


BTW, I didn't bother to read your rely. Circular logic bores me and that is what you reply is all about as well as you clininging to YOUR "religion" of Darwin, atheism and evolution and why other countries don't use it. It's a losing combination.

Singapore Science doesn't dwell on Darwin or evolution as the U.S. does. The propaganda is GONE! It's PURE SCIENCE. If you prefer the propaganda approach then by all means, stay with it!

Here's an exchange between a secular home schooler and a Singapore Science vendor:

We are teaching our children biology and geology from a non-religious perspective and hope that Singapore Science can fulfill that need. (They are already profiting heavily from the Math books). We can find no other integrated series of textbooks with this feature, at least that is compatible with homeschooling programmes.

Also, we are in Canada, and because of shipping costs and exchange rates we have been buying our Singapore Math books from two local home school vendors. Neither carries the Singapore Science books though, and we have have not yet discussed with either ordering these through them. What are your shipping rates to Canada?

Secular Homeschooler

#2 09-13-2009, 10:13 AM

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Our science books are secular, but usually what people mean by that is if they teach evolution. They are for grades 7-10, and at that level they do not teach it in Singapore. So you would have to supplement, or, best I think, do a college Biology text after the Biology, Chemistry, and Physics texts.

http://singaporemaths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1623

What is taught THERE has nothing to do with “religion” or YOUR religion of evolution. Nothing! It's straight science.

We use their Math as well as Science. BTW, I hear California schools use Singapore Math.

BTW, anyone that comes to a U.S. University/College cruises through the FIRST TWO YEARS here because they cover that in HIGH SCHOOL in the Pacific Rim.

Here is their curriculum for Science:

http://www.singaporemath.com/Science_s/2.htm

Here is their curriculum for Math:

http://www.singaporemath.com/Mathematics_s/1.htm

There is no wonder after you start using their curriculums about why their kids are smart and beat the pants off the DUMB U.S. kids. But, if you want to continue to dumb YOUR kids down, by all means stay with the evolution and Darwin Sci-fi approach which doesn't cover true science. Continue to frame it as a "religious" thing - LOL!!!! It is YOU who is hung up on Darwin and Evolution as YOUR "RELIGION".

BTW they aren't hung up on class room size either as they are in the U.S.. Lazy union teachers do have less work but over there, they want their kids to learn. It's part of their culture. Here we fret over too many books in their back packs. Over there, there is NO COMPLAINT about that. They want to learn and as I have said many times, are BRIGHT and beat the U.S. kids EVERY TIME when it comes to KNOWLEDGE.

55 posted on 11/07/2009 7:07:42 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
BTW, I didn't bother to read your rely.

Nor proof read, apparently. Since you didn't bother to read my reply, it is obvious you are not honestly interested in discussion, but instead only want to blindly push your indoctrinated point of view that desires to replace science with religion. This is over.

56 posted on 11/07/2009 7:28:18 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: nmh

Nice job at misdirection.

Are the quotes I provided not correct?


57 posted on 11/07/2009 8:18:05 AM PST by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, Theres a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: nmh

“It’s actually the other way around. The other countries teach SCIENCE not propaganda - EVOLUTION. The other countries teach SCIENCE and let the chips fall where they may. Science in the U.S. is ONLY evolution driven - it defies logic and there is NO evidence to support it. So we suck in Science.”

—Science education in the US is hardly “evolution driven” - it’s barely mentioned. Evolution and Darwin weren’t mentioned when I was in high school, and I even took biology as an elective. Others I’ve spoken to had similar experiences. I only learned about them by reading books in my own time and later taking university courses.
I don’t know about Singapore, but people I’ve spoken to from other nations on the list that are whipping the US (Japan, Korea, Scandinavian nations, etc) were taught quite a bit about evolution and Darwinism.

I do agree with some of what you’re saying though. Science education in the US is too much about regurgitating facts and data instead of teaching actual science. I think the US should copy what the countries ahead of us are doing - and if they are teaching more straight science, than that’s what we should do. But apparently teaching the straight science and letting the chips fall where they may almost always results in the students being Darwinists. Did you notice that Darwinism is vastly more popular in the countries ahead of us?


58 posted on 11/07/2009 8:59:33 AM PST by goodusername
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To: Ira_Louvin

I agree with Mr. Johnson’s first quote the most. Darwinism is a religion and Christianity is a religion. Yet, Darwinists are allowed to own science while Creationism cannot even be mentioned at all. Darwinism is not science, it is a Philosophy. Vaccination research is science, studying species variations is science, studying the universe is science, studying plants is science, but saying all life evolved from a single species is not science, it is a Philosophy and always will be. Evolution of all life from a single species over billions of years is a childish, philosophical, fairy tale and nothing more. It is not and never will be science.


59 posted on 11/07/2009 6:55:48 PM PST by Jaime2099 (Human Evolution and the God of the Bible are not compatible)
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To: Bellflower
I ask people who believe in evolution to consider that they too may have been brainwashed by an education system that pushes out big lies and suppresses truth. Could not you also be a victim of their lying apparatus?

I considered that possibility some years ago.

I tested it by reading several "creation science" books. I picked out some of the arguments that seemed persuasive or intriguing, and spent a number of days in libraries chasing out all the relevant citations to original sources.

The result: I found creationism to be consistently based on shoddy, incompetent, or downright dishonest scholarship; and the countervailing evolutionary / mainstream science positions to be honest and generally solidly based.

I went in agnostic about antievolutionary ideas -- suspecting there was something to them, just not sure quite what -- and came out convinced that antievolutionary creationism had no valid scientific basis at all. I went in suspicious about the foundations of evolutionary theory, and came out having found them far better evidenced than I had suspected.

After that I collected antievolutionary literature for some years, attended meetings of a local creation science group, went to a couple national creation science conventions, and etc, but found the appallingly low level of integrity I'd earlier discovered to lie behind the claims of creationism to be characteristic and persistent.

60 posted on 11/07/2009 8:29:59 PM PST by Stultis (Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia; Democrats always opposed waterboarding as torture)
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