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Should the U.S. create "National Manhunting Agency"?
Homelandsecuritynewswire ^ | Nov. 3. 2009 | HSN

Posted on 11/05/2009 11:57:32 AM PST by AuntB

A study prepared for the U.S. Special Forces says that the United States should set up something like a National Manhunting Agency to go after jihadists, drug dealers, pirates, and other enemies of the state; the report's author would like to see a permanent group with clear authority, training, doctrine, and technology to go after these dangerous individuals

CIIA director Leon Panetta got into hot water with Congress, after he revealed an agency program to hunt down and kill terrorists (see Washington Post’s Joby Warrick’s report). Noah Shachtman writes that a recent report from the U.S. military’s Joint Special Operations University argues that the CIA did not go far enough. Instead, it suggests the American government should set up something like a National Manhunting Agency to go after jihadists, drug dealers, pirates, and other enemies of the state.

America’s military, intelligence, and law-enforcement agencies already devote thousands of people and billions of dollars to tracking down top terrorists and insurgents. Shachtman writes that even the most successful of these efforts — like going after Iraqi militant leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi — have been ad hoc efforts, with units cobbled together from different corners of the government. Report author and retired Lt. Col. George Crawford instead would like to see a permanent group with clear authority, training, doctrine, and technology to go after these dangerous individuals. These “manhunting teams would be standing formations, trained to pursue their designated quarry relentlessly for as long as required to accomplish the mission,” he writes.

Sometimes, this will mean operating “in uncooperative countries.” In those cases, the teams must be prepared “to act unilaterally, with no support or coordination with local authorities, in a manner similar to that employed by Israel’s Avner team in response to the Munich Olympics massacre” (this was the controversial unit, fictionalized in Steven Spielberg’s movie Munich, which allegedly roamed the world, assassinating Palestinian militants in response to the 1972 Olympic attack.)

The hit squads would only be one part of the manhunting agency, according to the Joint Special Operations University monograph, uncovered by Inside Defense. “Dedicated teams must be assembled, able to respond ‘on-call’ in the event of a raid on a suspect site or to conduct independent ‘break-in and search’ operations without leaving evidence of their intrusion,” Crawford notes.

Manhunting will also “require personnel who are experts at conducting surveillance of particular facilities, personnel, or activities without arousing suspicion or being detected,” he adds.

“Picture in your mind a typical city street scene, with a little old lady walking her dog, the phone repair crew descending into a manhole, two little old men playing an innocent game of checkers, or the homeless person sleeping on the park bench, and you are on the right track.”

Such a group would not just go after terrorists. “Human networks are behind narcotics trafficking, arms proliferation, piracy, hiding war criminals from authorities, human trafficking, or other smuggling activities,” Crawford writes. “Human networks also lie at the core of national governments, offering an increased potential to nonlethally influence state actors with precision. A robust manhunting capability would allow the United States to interdict these human networks.”

Crawford, who says he served as the “lead strategist” for developing U.S. Special Operations Command’s “advanced intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance capabilities for counterterrorism operations,” compares manhunting to “curling, the Winter Olympics sport. As a skater releases the heavy stone onto the ice, a few strokes from a broom can alter the speed and trajectory of the stone. Likewise, a small amount of precise influence or force employed at an early point in a developing situation might divert the trajectory of an event away from crisis or full-scale conflict.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: homelandsecurity; narcoterror; terrorism; wot
What do you think?? While I would like to see the jihadists and narcoterrorists booted out of here, I'm not sure that I'd trust such an agency under this administration.
1 posted on 11/05/2009 11:57:34 AM PST by AuntB
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To: AuntB

I thought we already had one — the IRS


2 posted on 11/05/2009 11:58:17 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: AuntB

We’ve already got the CIA and FBI.


3 posted on 11/05/2009 11:59:04 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: freedumb2003

I thought FBI


4 posted on 11/05/2009 11:59:33 AM PST by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: AuntB

No, I don’t want to be hunted by liberal government bureacrats. I’d much rather be hunted by sexy conservative girls, say belly girl for example. Yeah that would work.


5 posted on 11/05/2009 11:59:43 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: AuntB

6 posted on 11/05/2009 12:00:00 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: AuntB
enemies of the state

No such thing in America.

7 posted on 11/05/2009 12:00:00 PM PST by BenLurkin (Brave amateurs....they do their part.)
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To: AuntB

With Obama in charge, and Panetta at the CIA, we would predictably spend billions hunting down our man, and then when we found him we’d read him his rights, give him a Public Defender, and release him until his court appointment.

I guess what I’m saying is that what you describe is what the CIA used to do, before the Church Committee got after it. I doubt that we’ll ever see it happen again.

Maybe we could outsource it to Mossad.


8 posted on 11/05/2009 12:01:08 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: AuntB

To easy to turn against other targets - like, say, you.


9 posted on 11/05/2009 12:01:56 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End the coup!)
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To: AuntB
Frigging bureaucracy!! We don't need to create it! It already has authorization! The Constitution has a couple ideas:

'... grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;'

10 posted on 11/05/2009 12:01:56 PM PST by BGHater ("real price of every thing ... is the toil and trouble of acquiring it")
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To: AuntB

....and I thought this article was about a state-sanctioned dating service. Oh, wait, we have those—they’re called high school and college.


11 posted on 11/05/2009 12:02:03 PM PST by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: AuntB
Once upon a time everyone in the military was trained to find bad people and kill them. Do we really need to gum up the only department of the U.S. government worth anything with another compartmentalization guaranteed to bring about more bureaucracy, cross purposes and turf wars?
12 posted on 11/05/2009 12:02:26 PM PST by Pan_Yan (All gray areas are fabrications.)
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To: AuntB

We already have one and its unionized its called the SEIU. ;-)


13 posted on 11/05/2009 12:02:34 PM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: AuntB

Once upon a time, I would not only have agreed with the concept, I probably would have tried to be a part of it.

But with the kind of people we have in charge now, such an organization would be perverted into going after people like you and I.

So, I say no.


14 posted on 11/05/2009 12:03:26 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: AuntB

This is problematic on a variety of levels:

Would targeting would be politically motivated?

ACLU, among other groups, would claim racial profiling, etc.

I thought we had special force units already targeting certain jihadists, etc. Why would we need to set up another governmental organization to hunt these type people when we have various government agencies/entities that do such already: the CIA, U.S. Army, etc., etc.?


15 posted on 11/05/2009 12:05:06 PM PST by cranked
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To: AuntB

It just might work. What’s the name of that outfit responsible for us getting our passports back in a timely manner?


16 posted on 11/05/2009 12:05:15 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: AuntB

At the risk of fitting the recent liberal description of a conservative with blood dripping from my teeth, “Where do I sign?”.

At least it separates me from the commentator with “a tingle running up my leg” at the sight of BO.


17 posted on 11/05/2009 12:06:40 PM PST by G Larry (DNC is comprised of REGRESSIVES!)
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To: AuntB

what about Woman hunting?


18 posted on 11/05/2009 12:06:53 PM PST by exnavy (GOD save the republic)
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To: AuntB

Not sure - we do that every Saturday night ... (The Ram in the U-Dist) LOL


19 posted on 11/05/2009 12:07:42 PM PST by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: freedumb2003

You are absolutely correct. LOL


20 posted on 11/05/2009 12:07:54 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: AuntB

Next, all the “red light” cameras will be set to report Ron Paul bumper stickers and Gadsden Flag decals...


21 posted on 11/05/2009 12:08:54 PM PST by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: AuntB

FAB = Federal Assassination Bureau
OK. Works for me.


22 posted on 11/05/2009 12:10:27 PM PST by BuffaloJack (All Dictators have their Henchmen; the President just calls them his Czars.)
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To: AuntB

It would become the “National Manhunting Conservatives Agency”.


23 posted on 11/05/2009 12:14:30 PM PST by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: AuntB

Only if Gene Hackman is running the show. He always seems to know who the bad guys are.


24 posted on 11/05/2009 12:16:39 PM PST by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: Codeflier

present


25 posted on 11/05/2009 12:16:59 PM PST by gunnyg (Just An Old Gunny ~ And *Still* Not A F'en Commie Basterd!)
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To: AuntB

Good training for hunting us down in a couple of years. Gun owners, cash payers and acceptors, home-schoolers, etc.


26 posted on 11/05/2009 12:18:34 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: AuntB

Jihadists and narcoterrorists are not “bad guys” in the eyes of our radical leftist rulers; Tea Partiers are!

I’d love it if bad guys just started disappearing, but it won’t happen while this bunch is in charge.


27 posted on 11/05/2009 12:18:44 PM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., hot enough down there today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: AuntB

We already have 2 enept ones.

If weneed one it should be private and not government screwed up!


28 posted on 11/05/2009 12:21:03 PM PST by dalereed
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To: cripplecreek

and the ATF, DEA, SS, IRS, SWAT, DHS, ICE...


29 posted on 11/05/2009 12:21:47 PM PST by absolootezer0 (2x divorced, tattooed, pierced, harley hatin, meghan mccain luvin', smoker and pit bull owner..what?)
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To: exnavy

Can I be incharge of that one?


30 posted on 11/05/2009 12:22:52 PM PST by devistate one four (Back by popular demand: America love or leave it (GTFOOMC) TET68)
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To: jiggyboy
Good training for hunting us down in a couple of years. Gun owners, cash payers and acceptors, home-schoolers, etc.

doubtful, we're the kind of people that are most likely to be part of such a force.
31 posted on 11/05/2009 12:23:32 PM PST by absolootezer0 (2x divorced, tattooed, pierced, harley hatin, meghan mccain luvin', smoker and pit bull owner..what?)
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To: AuntB

There is an inherent dilemma. Even when the US Navy was chasing the Barbary Pirates in two wars, in the time of Thomas Jefferson, federal judges in the US wanted the Navy to transport them back to the US to stand trial before them.

At the time, this meant securing, feeding, and caring for murderous pirates and white slave-takers for the better part of six months aboard a US ship, which would have to leave its post to take pirates back to the US.

Such was the ego of US federal judges *then*. They haven’t changed much.

However, patrolling those same waters was the British Navy. A British ship Captain could try and order hung pirates on the spot, on their own, now slowly sinking pirate ships, so they would not soil the decks of the British ship.

So when US ships caught pirates, they dutifully logged that the pirates had been captured in British controlled waters, so had to be turned over to the British for disposition. Sorry to deny you your fun, judge.

But this same situation exists today. Say you create such a team of elite personnel to go after terrorists and drug lords in other countries. What do you expect them to do? “Arrest them!”, is likely what the government is thinking. “Bring them back to the US for trial!”

Guess again. If a team of highly trained personnel locate and stalk such criminals, arresting them will be out of the picture. They will either just watch them, or they will KILL them. Those are the ONLY two options.

The US government can choose to KILL them overtly, with a bullet in their head; or it may choose to KILL them covertly, making their death look like a heart attack. Or they may choose not to kill them at all, but just to watch them.

But nobody is going to arrest them. These agents will not be policemen. They will not collect evidence suitable for use in a criminal trial. They will not collect testimony from witnesses. They will not sit to be cross examined by defense attorneys. And there is no way around this problem, no matter how many perverse jury rigs of the legal system the government can imagine.

So from the very start, this unit will be given an order to “Sanction Sheik Yabootie”. This will be a DEATH EXECUTION warrant. And this warrant may be of several kinds.

It can be a “plausible deniability” death warrant. Make it look like natural causes or an accident.

Or it can be a “vanilla” death warrant. Kill him by this date certain, howsoever you see fit.

Or it can be a “prejudice” warrant. This individual is particularly reprehensible, and has cost the lives of many Americans. Make a show of his demise, and let him and his friends know who did it.

Governments of the world have long done assassinations this way, and they are always careful to avoid attacks on foreign political leaders, as that opens the door to retribution by other governments.

Death warrants are too important to be issued by individuals, so must be made by a select committee of officials, and then only after deliberations.

Importantly, targeted assassination does work. It is highly effective in bringing down criminal and terrorist organizations. And not just their leaders, but their financial backers, recruiters and instigators as well.


32 posted on 11/05/2009 12:27:50 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Pan_Yan

:)


33 posted on 11/05/2009 12:33:36 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife
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I thought the Clintons already set that up??? Ask Vince Foster and Jim McDougal.


34 posted on 11/05/2009 12:56:36 PM PST by white17x
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To: Repeal The 17th

Is he the commanding general?


35 posted on 11/05/2009 1:10:20 PM PST by HIDEK6
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To: AuntB

I feel soooo warm and fuzzy knowing that this administration is protecting me so well. Sarc.

A Romanian AK 47 for about $500 and 500 rds seems like a good deal for a home owner. http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/romanian-ak-47-wasr10-63m-rifle-%2B-500rds-of-brown-bear-7-62x39-package-/products_id/3849?osCsid=5028e22b52c2bd30a7c6b9f62cbb4232


36 posted on 11/05/2009 1:25:01 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft (No 3rd Parties, the real winner will be the loser. A 3 party election needs a run off.)
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To: AuntB
as long as assassination is banned by Executive Order, what's the point?
37 posted on 11/05/2009 1:39:58 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: BenLurkin; AuntB
"enemies of the state"
"No such thing in America"

Enemies of Obama.

38 posted on 11/05/2009 3:21:08 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: BenLurkin

Could be a good idea, but not with a bunch of hand-wringing, bet-wetting, liberal Marxists in control of the government.


39 posted on 11/05/2009 4:40:55 PM PST by Mister Muggles (Seattle: a city full of liberal men with vaginas.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Better yet, learn to build one yourself and it will only
cost about 300 and you’ll know how to do it .

It’s harder now as the govt has wised up on imported
parts kits but you can still find them at gun shows
and the info is online.

Give a man an AK and you create a soldier,
Teach a man to MAKE an AK and you create an ARMY!


40 posted on 11/05/2009 4:53:54 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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