Posted on 11/04/2009 11:09:55 PM PST by neverdem
Dick Morris thinks Mob-O-Care is dead after the Democrat electoral fiascos in the last week. I sincerely hope that Morris is right, but I'm not so sure.
IIRC, you mentioned this scenario.
This is the front end. The back end is worse.
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Ugly times are ahead. Prepare for the upcoming turmoil/chaos.
Scary stuff.
I am not easily frightened and that is not my reaction.
Anger and Resolve that WE will stop this insanity.
I will be 62 next month, and if this can be solved reasonably I will be happy.
If not, whatever it takes.
I tend to think they WILL try to push it through no matter what.
The rats believe the mistake of Hillarycare was not to go ahead and push it through at the time. That it was the failure to pass Hillarycare, not the attempt to nationalize health care, that hurt them politically.
Once a government program is in place with a set of vested interests in it, it is practically impossible to eliminate.
Furthermore, unlike Bill Clinton, I do not believe Obama is capable of moving to the middle. Obama does not know what the middle in America is. At least Clinton had his roots in Arkansas and exposure to ordinary middle Americans. Obama has never had that, all he knows is the caricature of middle America communicated to him by his mother, grandparents and assorted leftwing and liberal influences on his life.
The natural reaction by the Left to public unpopularity with their policies is to suppress dissent.
So, I will not be surprised to see hamfisted attempts by the Left to use the power of government to demonize and muzzle the political and media opposition to them, and step up attempts to control the public through efforts like gun control.
I have always thought that if the roles were reversed, and the Imperial Japanese enemy by 1945 had bombed the living crap out of our cities and were just off our coasts ready for the final land/sea/air assault and occupation of our USA cities (and our American women..yikes!), destruction of our Constitution, execution of our war leaders, and what not, that many, many young and immensely patriotic American military men would have stepped forward in similiar such suicide attack options in order to blow up as many Japanese aircraft carriers off our coast, to keep them from taking down our Republic. And with particular knowledge of the Imperial Japan Army’s horrendous treatment of captured Allied Military and even civilians in their zones of occupations, we might well have had no other option than for many to give their lives for the Stars and Stripes and their fellow Americans that way. Have always wondered about that. I also wonder what pastoral personnel would have to counsel (theologically speaking). For the enemy, then, it was a no brainer...you would go to Yasukuni Shrine as a victorious soul for the Emperor and join the gods (sic), but in our Judeo-Christian philosophy, aforeknowledge and willful volition of planned suicide would be an interesting, debatable topic.(Side digression).
The problems will occur when the conservative response takes hold and corrective action is taken. Teenagers become most rebellious when the freedoms they have grown accustomed to are taken away after they misuse them. That’s human nature.
Obama may not think he’s done, but Blue Dogs are done.
There is no way they will pass Obamacare now. They will lose an unprecedented amount of seats in the house. An HISTORIC amount. It will set them back for at least a decade or two. They aren’t that stupid.
sorry folks to change the subject. ... back to what the desperate and cornered Obama-ites might have up their sleeves.
I agree totally, 0bama has already said that he will give us health care even if it means he will be a one term president.
Only problem is, he would get maybe 10% of the US military to support him on such a naked power grab. And he also knows the "lay of the land" out here there in American "flyover country", so you know what that means. He and his ilk would not get very far, that's for sure. But there would be some white knuckle moments for sure.
I believe they will try to push it through. They don’t care about the Bluedogs, they are cannon fodder. Once they get Obamacare and Cap & Trade they have won.
This is absolutely happening. Critics say they won’t pass the bill because it will kill them in future elections, but I think the Dems are thinking there won’t be ANY future elections.
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Another option is that in hopes of resurrecting a failed presidency, they'll have a few psychiatrists fiddle with the meds of patients or encourage informants of right wing anti-government groups to blow something up.
Anything is possible I guess, but I think they will just kick the can down the street indefinitely until obamacare is forgotten. If they were going to go kamikaze they would have done it by now,hell, they would have done it before the first deadline i.e. the August recess. Obviously something is holding up the suicide mission and now, after the recent election, things are even worse.
We will see. I really don’t think they have the balls for such a suicide mission, nor the willingess to sacrifice dearly for a greater cause than themselves.
Newsmax published a list of 111 new agencies and programs that are in the 2,032 pages of the House “Health Care” bill. Many of them have nothing to do with health care, and they include at least 39 new regulatory bodies or positions, 31 new grant or scholarship programs, and 19 demonstration or pilot programs.
Also, one Fox contributor who dug into the $787B “stimulus package” found that the chief regulatory body — and its czar — were in the stimulus package and are just awaiting application.
One... man who thinks he knows Washington says he’s unafraid of what BHO is doing, that he could undo it all in a minute. I just sort of doubt him a little bit, and believe that a kamikaze assault to be quite possible, and quite possibly successful unless we’re willing to do whatever is needed to stop the marxists. I am.
I have sometimes wondered that myself-how would we Americans have reacted if the tables were reversed. I think that, if the odds were stiff enough, many people would consciously give their lives to save some remnant of what they hold dear. This probably would happen irregardless of what their religious and cultural context would be.
But there are instances where our Judeo-Christian legacy can be applied and expressed fully. If you consider your life a divine gift, then you would not give it lightly to a government or creed. Rather, you would work deliberately and forcefully to grant yourself and your posterity freedom from want and fear. Freedom that comes from your own efforts, beholden to none but the Almighty who sends opportunity your way.
I hope that this is what we conservatives, through our tea parties, grass roots activism and sites like this, are trying to achieve. I would not want us to emulate the mindless and soulless fanaticism of those trying to take our freedoms from us. Rather, like our real and spiritual ancestors who faced the kamikazes, meet force with resolve and terror with purpose, with full confidence in our culture and values and its extraordinary capacity for raising the human condition.
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Suicidal attacks and sucicide attacks are fundamentally different. Americans have often shown a great willingness to fight in situations where the chance for survival was near nill (at least to a rational person). However, the idea of simply committing suicide as some type of act of honor doesn’t fit into Western values.
To me the Japanese and Muslims are more concerned with ensuring their own death, than harming their enemy. Americans think more along the words of George Patton, “Make the other SOB die for his country.”
What keeps churning in my mind is “What will we do if they push these through?”
It seems those who are genuinely concerned are caught between “inciting” and and “sounding the alarm” right now.
But if they’re stupid enough to force these ...
... how long are we going to just say “whatever it takes”.
Suicide is not part of c0ngressional vocabulary. They are weighing the risks and benefits of Americide.
The problem is that once they get anything with the name of Health Care on it they have everything. By the time there are enough Republicans in Congress to repeal(2010) it the agencies and bureaus will be set up and the clerks and bureaucrats hired. No conceivable Republican Congress will vote to disemploy a million or two bureaucrats and from then on the system will build and the socialist cancer will grow and eventually and inevitably metastasize into the whole economy. The same goes for Cap&Trade. Possibly the Left should have gone for Amnesty first off as there are a number of nominal Republicans who want that, too. Amnesty gives them another route to complete socialism in that it gives the Left the votes for installing themselves in a permanent one party government that can get whatever it wants whenever it wants politically.
What is with this sudden embrace of Dick Morris? This is the same Dick Morris who was joined at the hip to then-Senator Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. in a campaign to elect Raila Odinga in Kenya, a Marxist. A Jihadist. A candidate with a platform of Sharia Law, Breakaway Muslim Provinces, Expulsion of Christian Missionaries, Expropriation of Christian Property in the new "Muslim Areas"! This ain't ancient history, it was 2006.
Dick Morris was well paid for his illegal work with Obama in Kenya by the Clinton Foundation (and George Soros' fingerprints are on the check.)
Now, in what looks like a staged turnabout, he is backstabbing his Kenya companion. Looks like a tag-team play for Hillary in 2012. The Morris strategy: let's get the Republicans to do the heavy lifting so Hillary can stay above the fray and when Obama is done, she will be positioned to pick up the marbles.
Please to not give me the "Enemy of my enemy is my friend crap..." A rattlesnake is a bad pet for anyone.
The most noticeable thing about Morris is his predictions. He makes a lot of them and I only remember him being right about one. If he says that something is going to happen the money winning bet is for it not to happen.
This is their last chance. Ram this POS through, and they can spend all next year spinning. Citizens have a remarkably short memory. Note that (IIRC) this bill really doesn’t take effect for a few years! ergo there will be no short-term functional consequences if it passes. Come next November the public will be tired of the Right whining about a months-old bill which did no harm (at the time) and has been pushed off the headlines by whatever other crises can be manufactured.
If the Left can’t get this thru with a near-hammerlock on all three (four?) branches of power, they’ll just look pathetic. Heads will roll.
Dick Morris? Clinton-Paid Poisoner.
When have they not attacked Rush?
I think they're going to do this, because there really is no down side for them, individually or as a whole.
Individually, they may not get reelected, but they'll have jobs and power forever through some bureaucratic appointment. And as a group, I think they know that they are putting something into place that is virtually going to destroy America and reshape it in their image - and it won't even fully take effect until they are out of power. Therefore, a lot of the blame will probably go to the GOP, since Americans have very short political memories.
My fear, however, is that Bambi is going to get really angry now and we're going to have some incident that is going to collapse the whole system and hand it over to the dictatorial power structure he already has in place. Never underestimate the power of a PO'ed sociopath. They get even.
Very little of the Stimulus Money has been spent. Only 10% or so! The rest is a discretionary fund. Hasn't anyone noticed?
Revolutions cost money. And we gave Obama the money. Classic Marxism.
"Capitalists will be eager to provide the rope with which we will hang them." Lenin.
Thanks for the ping!
In liberal states like Oregone, most of the money spent has been in left wing universities and the teachers’s unions across the state via money for these left wingers.
They won’t do it, they don’t have the balls, and if they did, they would have done it by now.
But, we will soon see.
Yes, I’ve been thinking exactly the same thing.
It certainly was the pattern at the start. Rush the Porkulus bill through without reading it, flying in sick senators before the weekend. Get it through before anyone has a chance to realize how bad it is.
I think that was their plan with the Health Bill and Cap & Trade. But time started to drag out, and they were forced to put it off over the summer, then to put it off in the early fall.
They will certainly ram these bills through if they can. And the problem is, even if it leads to throwing the bums out of office in the next two elections, we will be stuck with what looks like permanent millstones around our necks.
The damage done by Woodrow Wilson was never reversed. The damage done by FDR was never reversed. And the damage done by LBJ was never reversed. Can we afford more of that kind of damage? I don’t think so. We have got to block both of those bills. No compromises, which can later be twisted into hideous monstrosities by an administration and regulators who care nothing for the rule of law.
They must be blocked entirely.
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If the left is at that point, the more likly tactic will be to just stop any other elections.
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