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Taiwan says China starts building first aircraft carrier
AFP via Space War ^ | 11/04/2009 | AFP

Posted on 11/04/2009 10:29:20 PM PST by sonofstrangelove

Edited on 11/04/2009 11:17:42 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Taiwan said Wednesday that its giant neighbour China has started building its first aircraft carrier, a move analysts have said could raise military tensions in the region. The head of Taiwan's National Security Bureau told parliament construction of the carrier had begun, Lin Yu-fang, a legislator of the ruling Kuomintang party, told AFP.


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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aircraftcarriers; asia; china; chinesenavy; cvn; japan; pla; taiwan

1 posted on 11/04/2009 10:29:24 PM PST by sonofstrangelove
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Taiwanese military experts expect the People’s Liberation Army to take at least 10 years to have its first operating carrier group


2 posted on 11/04/2009 10:33:51 PM PST by sonofstrangelove ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: sonofstrangelove

They’ve progressed far since Bernie Schwartz gave them our missile guidance technology.


3 posted on 11/04/2009 10:51:43 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: sonofstrangelove
Well now, won't THAT be a modern marvel of technical engineering?
4 posted on 11/04/2009 11:40:31 PM PST by Mister Muggles (Seattle: a city full of liberal men with vaginas.)
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To: Mister Muggles

/sarc.


5 posted on 11/04/2009 11:41:11 PM PST by Mister Muggles (Seattle: a city full of liberal men with vaginas.)
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To: SpaceBar

China has been buying and adapting Russian naval technologies as it introduces new ships to the fleet in fits and starts.


6 posted on 11/04/2009 11:41:33 PM PST by sonofstrangelove ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Analysis_China_eyes_new_Russian_tech_999.html


7 posted on 11/04/2009 11:45:07 PM PST by sonofstrangelove ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: sonofstrangelove

So, this is the big holiday gift available exclusively at Wal-Crap?


8 posted on 11/05/2009 2:25:44 AM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Mister Muggles

'We Like Tank U.S. For Free Missle Guidance'.

9 posted on 11/05/2009 3:39:28 AM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Jeff Head

Ping!


10 posted on 11/05/2009 4:12:26 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Westlander; All
VARYAG TRANSFORMATION INTO AN OPERATIONAL PLAN AIRCRAFT CARRIER
11 posted on 11/05/2009 4:16:03 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: sonofstrangelove

I don’t understand Freepers who chuckle at Red China’s technological ‘pretentions’. These are bright people with a growing economy, a lot of determination and a long time frame. Thirty years from now they may well be able to hand a complacent America its ass.

Thirty years isn’t exactly forever: It’s only as far in the future as Reagan’s election is in the past.


12 posted on 11/05/2009 4:34:14 AM PST by Grut
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Latest pics (inncluded on the link you gave - thanks):


Varyag Island being rebuilt in dry dock...showing what appears to be new PAR (Phased Array Radar) sub-structure. (Click pic for higher res)

The pic showing the constructions of the PAR is only a few days old. The earlier one was a couple of mon ths ago when they had dismantled portions of the island.

13 posted on 11/05/2009 6:57:19 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: sonofstrangelove

FYI Russia is also starting to build carriers. Yet the US is stopping carrier building after the the Ford, thanks to Nobama.


14 posted on 11/05/2009 7:33:39 AM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Grut
That's 100% correct. Whatever it's current ideology, China's civilization extends back at least 3,000 years, and it's massive population is completely inured to war. Remember these are the folks who brought us Sun Tzu and the martial arts, and so we should only ignore or sneer at them at our own peril.

Also, remember that the ChiComs' kicked the stuffing out of the U.S. Army in the winter of late 1950 and early 1951, and that they certainly have the capability and willpower to do it again.

15 posted on 11/05/2009 8:01:14 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Jeff Head

Hey Jeff, where do you get these awesome pictures? And are the ChiComs actually going to leave the carrier’s island ‘red’?


16 posted on 11/05/2009 8:04:40 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
As a result of my sites, I have a lot of folks who send me pictures. Some tourists, some people in the PRC who want to get info out.

The red is just the primer. They will paint the island in the traditional PLAN colors as soon as they are finished working on it.

The Chinese are just completing a mockup of the entire deck and island on land at the Chinese Naval Institute in Wuhan, housed on top of a building they use as hanger spaces where they will train their personnel in deck and hanger operations now, long before the vessel is complete.

I'll post a bunch of pictures of that facility too in a while. It is clear that the Chinese are moving rapidly forward now with their plans for the Varyag.

17 posted on 11/05/2009 8:42:03 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: sonofstrangelove
It's time for Japan to commission a successor to the Hiryu:


18 posted on 11/05/2009 5:54:14 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: sonofstrangelove

A future target for the U.S. Navy.


19 posted on 11/05/2009 7:17:10 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (A Jimmy Carter got us a Ronald Reagan.....a Barack Obama will get us a Sarah Palin)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
a move analysts have said could raise military tensions in the region
Gosh, we should build windmills throughout the United States and produce all our own electricity so we can through 1000s more out of work when we shut down all the coal mines. We can get a great deal on the windmills and the generators from Chinese manufacturers.
20 posted on 11/05/2009 7:23:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Zhang Fei

Eh... I think we should let the Japanese have a strong navy about the same time we let the Germans build up their armor formations and air force. Which is to say not for another century, those guys are still on probation!


21 posted on 11/05/2009 8:48:00 PM PST by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: Grut

I couldn’t agree more. These same folks laugh at Europe for allowing Hitler to build towards war, and at the same time thinks it’s nothing but funny when folks warn that China is up to the very same thing.

There are times when it seems like both sides in this nation are just plain whacked out.


22 posted on 11/05/2009 11:59:16 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Unseal the lock box containing every document pertaining to Obama's life, TODAY!)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Building aircraft carriers is hard enough, learning to operate them properly is a major undertaking, especially if you are starting from scratch. Ten years sounds optimistic.


23 posted on 11/06/2009 1:26:40 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

One US Army regiment stopped a Chinese Corp cold that winter. The regiment then went on to act as the X Corps rear guard as the Marines withdrew.

The Army regiment won a Navy Unit Citation.


24 posted on 11/06/2009 2:51:06 AM PST by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: Zhang Fei

Looks like the Langley, US CV-1


25 posted on 11/06/2009 2:52:13 AM PST by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: donmeaker; Jeff Head
My uncle was in a reconnaissance platoon for the U.S. 23rd Infantry Division. He was drafted just after graduating high school in June 1950, went through boot camp, and was then sent straight to Pusan, where he was part of the breakout force.

His unit went all the way to the Yalu River, but when the ChiComs counter attacked in December, it was overrun. My uncle was shot squarely between the eyes, but it was a spent bullet and did not penetrate his skull. All of his buddies were killed, and he laid in a foxhole for three days and three nights before he crept out and somehow made his way back to U.S. lines. He said that the temperature dropped below zero during those three nights, and that while he was laying there playing dead, the ChiCom troops would occasionally come running buy and jump over him.

During the battle, he was initially armed with a M-1 .30 caliber carbine. But after a ChiCom soldier charged him with a bayonet and it took 10 rounds to drop him (just barely out of arms length), my uncle said that he immediately dropped the carbine and picked up one of his dead buddies' M-1 Garand so that he could keep on fighting but with far greater stopping power.

Scary stuff, and my uncle's war experience scarred him for life. He's even got a small scar on his forehead from where the bullet hit him. He became an alcoholic and would not talk about what happened until only recently, when he opened up to me and told me everything. He's 78 now, and just wanted to get it all off his chest.

26 posted on 11/06/2009 3:34:08 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Vanders9
Building aircraft carriers is hard enough, learning to operate them properly is a major undertaking, especially if you are starting from scratch. Ten years sounds optimistic.

Ten years will pass. So will twenty, and thirty....

27 posted on 11/06/2009 6:43:13 AM PST by Grut
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To: Vanders9

We did it in 10 years.


28 posted on 11/06/2009 6:47:20 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Zhang Fei
They already have built a new carrier, the Hyuga...and are fitting out their second. They call is a "Helo Carrying Destroyer" for political purposes.


29 posted on 11/06/2009 6:49:05 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Eyes Unclouded

I’d give the Germans more credit there than the Japanese. At least they’ve fronted up to their horrors in WW2, whilst the Japanese ‘apologies’ have been nonexistenet mainly and the occasional ones that do emanate avoid issues like Nanking, Unit 731 or their treatment of the islands in the war...

Saying sorry isn’t a panacea but it’s a start. I won’t trust them again until they’ve done so. Neither will their neighbours, capitalist and communist, until a long time subsequent.


30 posted on 11/06/2009 9:32:49 AM PST by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: Republic of Texas

Not with jet aircraft you didnt.


31 posted on 11/06/2009 10:58:57 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: sonofstrangelove

Makes sense.

We decrease, they increase.


32 posted on 11/06/2009 2:55:04 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Jeff Head

The displacement, at 20,000 tons, is only half of the Wasp class amphibious assault ships. Is this all the power plant can handle?


33 posted on 11/06/2009 3:13:29 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: donmeaker
Looks like the Langley, US CV-1

Lengthwise, the Hiryu had about 50 yards on the Langley.

34 posted on 11/06/2009 3:20:29 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: donmeaker

Looks nothing like the Langley, US CV-1

Closer comparison in appearance, size, capacity, to USS Ranger CV-4


35 posted on 11/06/2009 8:20:57 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ("To psychiatry! The cause of... and solution to... all of life's problems")
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To: Oztrich Boy

To sheep, other sheep are different. Or to Shepards.


36 posted on 11/09/2009 11:55:24 PM PST by donmeaker (Invicto)
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