Posted on 11/04/2009 8:52:44 PM PST by TaraP
In last 24 hours, an unknown virus (presumed pneumonic plague) infected another 37 thousand and killed 12 more people. The authorities deny that this is pneumonic plague, and insist that people die from influenza, pneumonia and ARI.
Meanwhile, an emergency message from the President of Ukraine to the international community to immediately help in the fight against the virus, only reinforces the suspicion that pneumonia and influenza is not the cause.
"The current threat to national security of Ukraine, which we can not offset on our own, requires me to turn to our closest friends and strategic partners for emergency aid", - Yushchenko said in an appeal to the leaders of Belarus, Hungary, Moldova, Poland, Romania, Russia Slovakia, USA, and EU Commission President and Secretary General of NATO.
According to the operative data of the Ministry of Health on 1 November, recorded through out the country more than 191 thousand patients with unknown disease of lungs. Of these, 83 thousand are children. Total number deaths recorded - 60, 123 people are dying.
Day before, on October 31, according to Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko, 154 200 people fell ill, according to official data, 48 patients died, including two children.
Authorities officially called the disease "swine flu", "California flu", "SARS","pneumonia", but doctors say on the basis of clinical data and the rapidity of the epidemic, that it is pneumonic plague.
Many Ukrainians believe that Ukraine has been infected with pneumonic plague by Russian terrorist organization, the FSB of Russia, using bacteriological weapons to destabilize the situation necessary for the armed aggression of Russia against Ukraine.
According to unofficial information, the death rate in Ukraine from the alleged pneumonic plague is higher than officially announced.
According to unofficial data, "in Ukraine over the past week about 1500 people have already died. As noted by some doctors, the reason - pneumonic plague. High temperatures from the first day, a burning sensation in the chest, the desire to drink cold and nausea - all of these symptoms are frightening. People die within few days.
On the other hand, Ukrainian media reported that the virus is rapidly spreading in Ukraine and has already reached Odessa:
"1 woman died in the area of Odessa. Swine influenza has not been confirmed, most likely pneumonic plague was the cause.
Odessa and the region is already infected, most likely, is mutated pneumonic plague ", - said one of the doctors of private clinics in Odessa.
"The panic that spreads through the city, is so great that people are willing to sit at home even on just bread and water. Lack of gauze dressings in the city and surrounding areas - is just the beginning, and there is no elementary necessary ascorbic acid and inhalers.
Meanwhile, the first officially recorded death is because of pneumonic plague, and believe me in reality the are much more, "- says the Odessa physician.
All the doctors throughout Ukraine say that this is pneumonic plague.
"I have met with friends from the western Ukraine, the doctors say that the lungs of the dead were black. And that, perhaps this is not influenza but pneumonic plague. Well, if this is indeed a plague, then the news won't mention it for now, and certainly - it's 100% death (according to the U.S. for 1950-1994 - 41%, but the American health care, of course, not Ukrainian, and American doctors knew that they are dealing with a plague - KC).
With each passing day the picture becomes more and more dire, bloggers wrote and continued:
"The number of deaths is understated. The practice of health care service - to respond to anything after a really big problem. And "big" - far not 60 - as reported to the authorities at the moment.
All the actions talk about a really serious problem that the government is facing. The atmosphere in general - I recalled the early days of the Chernobyl accident - were the same "movement", and secrecy on the part of officials.
The regional center: converted the place to fit 200 beds, tripled the personnel of Precinct Therapeutic Services for special situation of contagious diseases (on materials of live broadcast 'Medchinovnika').
Note that this summer in one of Chinese cities pneumonic plague was officially declared, and only 3 deaths reported. The city was quarantined. No further deaths were reported.
- All this is not known not only for the reason that the government forces not to disclose the information, carefully concealing the real situation and closes the zone where the epidemic erupted. The exact number of victims is much higher than shown by the statistics - everyone understands it. How many really died? If you take 152 thousand registered patients and only 52 deaths, even from ordinary flu more than 450 people would have died, according to the annual mortality statistics.
At the moment, in the disaster zone (Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Lviv, Lutsk) receipts are taken of non-disclosure, doctors are not allowed to record the death with symptoms of pneumonic plague. Deaths are recorded as a result of heart attacks and other things.
The zones of “reanimation” increase. Departure from cordon is blocked. Photo, video filming the scene, contacts with the press - are not permitted under any pretext. Facts are checked, according to ordinary Ukrainians.
From Ternopil message: I am afraid - neighbor from above the floor died. I called my classmate - a doctor - she does not want to speak on this thing, but said that she was also scared. Perhaps we have some sort of mutated virus.
Pneumonic plague is a bacteria, not a virus.
Putin’s payback for Ukraine supporting Georgia last year with Biological Warfare?
Hmmmmm. I have seen similar stories developing about Ukraine.... 1918 again, anyone?
President’s address to the Ukrainian people on the occasion of flu epidemic in Ukraine
Dear fellow citizens!
I address you in performance of my constitutional duty under the Article 106 of the Basic Law of the state.
The reason is the emergency epidemic situation in the country.
Infections of viral origin, including the A/H1N1 flu, are rapidly spreading across Ukraine.
The emergency is evident in the scale of the epidemic: the speed and the geography of its spreading, rapid progress of the illness and the exceptional number of deaths.
People are dying. The epidemic is killing doctors. This is absolutely unprecedented and inconceivable in the XXI century.
All the limits have been exceeded - even those under the Constitution that determine my actions as the President.
Therefore I am motivated by the most important: the security of your life and your health.
Therefore I give clear and frank assessment of the situation. And you should know that.
We have special risk factors that aggravate the epidemic in Ukraine.
The conclusions of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, my numerous consultations with national and international experts show that.
First. Unlike similar epidemics in other countries, three pathogens of viral infections came to Ukraine at the same time: two of them are seasonal flu and the third is the A/H1N1.
According to virologists, such a combination of infections due to mutation may produce a new, even more aggressive virus.
That’s why I have addressed the United Nations with the request to conduct a virologic examination in Ukraine and to establish the appropriate laboratory in order to take timely preventive measures.
Second. The A/H1N1 virus is easily mutating. It has travelled across half of the globe before coming to Ukraine.
This means that the virus has become particularly pathogenic.
This means that medical aid must be urgently reinforced by emergency, critical care treatment.
The third risk factor. It is generally known that the only way to prevent any infection is vaccination.
Due to unprofessional and highly disorganized vaccination against measles and rubella in Ukraine the practice of vaccination is compromised in essence.
According to the estimates of the Minister of Health approximately 58% of citizens are vaccinated today in Ukraine with the effective level being 90% and higher.
People have stopped getting vaccinated against extremely dangerous infections: tuberculosis, diphtheria, etc.
http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/15609.html
Some Rooskie chemical warfare I’m betting...
FYI
NO cheers, unfortunately.
Ukraine swine flu? outbreak 195,000 sick is it pneumonic plague !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m83Nk9vnyKY
I think they are claiming that exact thing.
Interesting that each was a major Soviet base. Except for Lutsk. Not sure about that one.
Wonder why the network news aren’t reporting on this..
Apparently Bulgaria is affected to with a wide spread virus..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF3EzY7TVkk&NR=1
Pneumonic plague is bacterial, not viral. Of course, you can’t expect a SRM hack “journalist” to know that.
If this is a weaponized plague from Russia, then they are idiots. Only a few Western nations have tertiary antibiotics that might slow it down. Russia? Not so much. (They do have some interesting phage aka anti-bacterial virus tech, but not near enough from what I’ve read.)
Hope this is wrong, but “black lungs” means coal miners or plague.
Scary stuff.
I’m always suspicious of any of these stories coming out of these crack-pot leaders of what are really 3rd world countries. It may just be his excuse to declare martial law.
Isn't Plague also mainly a summer disease? It was below freezing in Ukraine today. Plague needs a vector, which is usually fleas, and they are not so active this time of year.
Other than the rat/flea transmission, how can the bacterial pneumonic plague be spread throughout a population?
“Pneumonic Plague
The lungs are the pneumonic organs in the human body. When the source of infection of a pandemic medical condition is in the lungs then the plague is considered a pneumonic plague. The pathogen might introduce itself in the lung tissue in a number of ways. The primary method is by inhalation of mist which is infected of a pathogen. This is called air or vector borne transmission and since the mist is already toxic then there is no need for an animal or flea to be involved directly.
Secondary pneumonic transmission occurs when poisoned blood is transferred to the lung tissue and that poisoned blood might be a result of a population experiencing a septicemic plague or a bubonic plague or both.
So while all three types of plagues are deadly and can cause pandemics that have the potential to kill a large percentage of the human population within weeks, it is not necessarily true that a plague is exclusively the domain of viruses.”
SO apparently it can be spread by coughing?
“Virus X” ?
Amen to that!
We are talking the Ukraine here.....after that nuclear meltdown in....what ever town that was, it would not surprise me if the the fleas are alive year round. That is if they survived the nuclear blast......
Those poor people, my heart goes out to them.
Prayers going up!
Not only do the fleas live through the winter, they usually weigh over a pound.
Chernobyl?
Ping to Cindy...
Yea....when in the Ukraine....visit Chernobyl............eeerrr not.
The source of this plague article is questionable, as is the veracity of the information. It appears to be a jihadist web site for the Caucasus region. Elsewhere in the site is an appeal to students to join the jihad.
http://www.kavkaz.org.uk/eng/content/2009/10/21/11082.shtml
You are correct sir. It is possible there may be some antibiotic that could be helpful. Apparently large doses of vitamin c and fluids could help as they mentioned vitamin C being in short supply.
Thanks for the ping 1Counter-Morter-68.
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http://www.google.com/search?&rls=en&q=kavkazcenter+%2B+jihad&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
I also went to youtube where much of this is being reported from the area...
Pneumonic plague is transmitted only by air. So coughing and sneezing spread it. The droplets get into the lungs and it’s pneumonic. If you get it on the skin it’s bubonic and you get the charateristic pustules and swollen lymph nodes.
I find the report from Russia today to be the most reliable and even that one needs to suspect, but if the Russians decided to ethnic cleanse the Ukraine what better time than now with wimp wristed ass kissing apologetic Obama in charge. I mean whats he going to do? It would take him 3 or 4 years to decide. God help us if they ever come to him and ask him what to do if they started launching missiles at us.
plague bump
Well, I looked around at the news.
At least 80 people are confirmed dead.
There are 3 types of flu spreading (including H1N1.
Now, here is a bit of an update here:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aT_13nVYV4c8
“I’m always suspicious of any of these stories coming out of these crack-pot leaders of what are really 3rd world countries. It may just be his excuse to declare martial law.”
Elections are coming up in January in the Ukraine. Read the wacky President’s screed above. He’s running panic central.
For continuing news regarding Ukraine here are a couple of links in English for your perusal:
http://www.interfax.com.ua/eng/
http://news.google.com/news?&rls=en&q=ukraine&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wn
Do you have a valid url for “plague” Taffini?
Ditto.
Like something that could come from Chinese Drywall?
A hot strain of Yersinia pestis can double every 20 minutes in culture. Pneumonic forms are easily passed by droplet infection from coughing/sneezing. If this is a purposely deployed bioweapon, it is an extremely stupid move.
I just bumped the thread so I can easily find it again and read it as it expands.
Don’t the Ukraines still have nukes, though. If ethnic cleansing is the case then I guess the Russians threw MAD out the window.
in rides the white horse...
I read at a source not allowed to be posted here at FR that a Doctor/scientist (cant remember) called a radio station claiming a release of a bacteria/virus (one or the other) into the public from a lab source and then he was arrested or was it murdered.
I can see if I still have the url to the article if anyone is interested.
If you remember the way the Russians poisoned and nearly killed him a few years back a little paranoia on his part is understandable. Still it is good to be careful when suggesting a widespread outbreak in Europe of the Black Death.
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