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One-third of U.S. youth unfit for military
UPI.com ^ | 11-4-2009 | UPI

Posted on 11/04/2009 4:41:22 PM PST by Route797

More than one-third of Americans ages 17-24 are unqualified for military service because of physical and medical issues, U.S. military officials said.

Curt Gilroy, the Pentagon's director of accessions, said the United States has "an obesity crisis."

"There's no question about it," Gilroy told the Navy Times. "Kids are just not able to do push-ups, and they can't do pull-ups. And they can't run."

The Pentagon figures -- 35 percent of the roughly 31.2 million Americans ages 17-24 are ineligible for military service -- are drawn from data from the Centers for Disease Control. In a study scheduled to be released Thursday in Washington, U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan and a group of retired military officers say young Americans' lack of overall fitness for military duty is a national security threat, the Navy Times reported.

The report, drawing on Pentagon data, says 75 percent of the nation's 17- to 24-year-olds are ineligible for service for a variety of reasons, including:

-- 35 percent ineligible for medical/physical problems.

-- 18 percent ineligible for illegal drug use.

-- 9 percent ineligible for mental problems.

-- 18 percent have too many dependents.

-- 5 percent have a criminal record.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: military; obesity; pentagon; usmilitary; youth; youthmilitary

1 posted on 11/04/2009 4:41:22 PM PST by Route797
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To: SandRat; Jet Jaguar; tomkow6; All

Hey Sandrat you hear about this


2 posted on 11/04/2009 4:42:26 PM PST by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: Route797
Singapore takes the fat ones and runs them through basic again and again until they’re ready to join the regular intake. We could, too.
3 posted on 11/04/2009 4:42:46 PM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Route797

This is with gender norming right, or else it would be much higher.


4 posted on 11/04/2009 4:44:21 PM PST by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
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To: Route797

5 posted on 11/04/2009 4:46:53 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: ansel12

I called this YEARS ago when they took away mandatory tough and rigerous PT from our public schools. There was a call to reinvent our PT and PE programs in schools across the nation by that weird physical trainer that seems very gay. I can’t remember his name, but anyway he even said back during the Clinton years that if there ever was a draft it would be hard to draft our kids because they are so obese. It is truly pathetic and is a reflection on our society.


6 posted on 11/04/2009 4:47:07 PM PST by 82ndABNOfficer
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To: Route797

My daughter says the kids coming out of basic training have been PC’d to death and have to go to ‘stress counseling’ AFTER being assigned to a post. They a pass (time out) to stop training if they get ‘overwhelmed’. “Hey terrorist, I need a break.” The older soldiers don’t want anything to do with them. Our military is being compromised and we don’t even know it. The quality of recruits have diminished. Drill sergeants can’t even swear at them anymore.


7 posted on 11/04/2009 4:47:27 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Conservatives, we are their worst nightmare)
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To: Route797

How does this compares with the 4F rate for previous wars? A couple of other thoughts:

— There is no reason the fat ones can’t be whipped into shape. Their basic training might take a few months longer.
— Some of these rejections are arbitrary too. In a pinch, we could take kids with flamboyant tatoos and those who test positive for marijuana.


8 posted on 11/04/2009 4:47:36 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: GAB-1955

That means taking in people that are not inclined to be fit, then spending a fortune in wasted money repeating their training cycles and then losing most of them to fatness again after basic when their natural habits return them back to their normal weight.


9 posted on 11/04/2009 4:47:43 PM PST by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
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To: ansel12

Of course, Singapore drafts them.


10 posted on 11/04/2009 4:48:37 PM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: rbg81

The 4F rate in World War II was 30 to 40%.


11 posted on 11/04/2009 4:49:07 PM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: SevenofNine

Yup.. and not surprised.


12 posted on 11/04/2009 4:49:44 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Route797
So! 65% are fit and that's a sizable number.
13 posted on 11/04/2009 4:52:29 PM PST by Bushbacker1 ( I'll miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! The "other" Jim Thompson)
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To: Route797

This really amazing. In addition to 35% being fat, 9% with mental problems?, 18% with too many dependents?? What the heck is with that? How does all of this break down by
family economics and races?


14 posted on 11/04/2009 4:54:18 PM PST by 1776 Reborn
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To: Route797

Of course, this still leaves about 20M eligible. I believe that in WWII in size of the US military was about 8M.


15 posted on 11/04/2009 4:54:27 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Route797

And just what is one of the classes pulled during school district budget crunches? PE of course.


16 posted on 11/04/2009 4:54:49 PM PST by celtic gal
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To: rbg81
— There is no reason the fat ones can’t be whipped into shape. Their basic training might take a few months longer.

I went into basic training way over weight and in a matter of 6 weeks, I had lost 55 pounds and turned what was left into muscle. (Some still table type)

17 posted on 11/04/2009 4:55:04 PM PST by Bushbacker1 ( I'll miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! The "other" Jim Thompson)
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To: Route797

Urban Lifestyle and video games. It’s the way it is. Drill Seargents need to push the pansies harder, that’s all.


18 posted on 11/04/2009 4:55:53 PM PST by vpintheak (4-times an extremist)
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To: GAB-1955

So, about the same. Again, that still leaves 20M eligible in that single group. You can tap the older groups as well.


19 posted on 11/04/2009 4:56:22 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Route797

Kids today have good thumb action, though. And most of them can respond with a “hello” before the cell phone’s second ring.


20 posted on 11/04/2009 4:57:53 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: Route797

I was a kid in the 1970s, even tehn, looking back, Phys ed was a joke. Too muck time wasted on games, like softball, which is mostly standing around. Would have been better to go through 20 minutes of calisthenics, then back to class.


21 posted on 11/04/2009 5:00:09 PM PST by brianr10
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To: Bushbacker1

I’m a college professor and an AF veteran. Some of the kids I see would have to go to pre training before Basic. I think if they were just thrown into Basic, quite a few would just keel over or worse. You’d never hear the end of it on MSNBC.


22 posted on 11/04/2009 5:01:16 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Bushbacker1
Beyond that, the U.S. armed forces comprise less than 1% of the total population. To feed the beast, only a fraction of that is required for annual accession. If the available manpower pool is 25% it is more than sufficient.

Obviously this is a lame attempt by the CDC to drive some oddball agenda.

23 posted on 11/04/2009 5:01:33 PM PST by paddles
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To: SevenofNine

Yawn, old news recycled!!! Sensational, NOT!!!


24 posted on 11/04/2009 5:02:02 PM PST by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: Route797

“18 percent have too many dependents.”

...teenage boys knocking up teenage girls.


25 posted on 11/04/2009 5:09:13 PM PST by STONEWALLS
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To: Route797
With both parents needing to work away from the home because of a heavy tax burden, and because parent are afraid to let their kids outside due to gangs, child molesters and other creeps that are let out of prison too early it's no wonder that our youth are unfit. (That sentence was longer than most molesters get in the slam)

Kids can't play outside, they can't walk to school, they have to come home in a carpool and run inside 'cause mom and dad (or mostly mom) are at work and then lock their bums inside until the next morning where they do it all again.

No pushups, situps or pullups because they might hurt themselves (or esteem).

I don't want to feel the country is screwed... but sometimes I think we didn't fight back soon enough. Mmmm, Mmmmm, Mmmmmm

26 posted on 11/04/2009 5:09:14 PM PST by steveo (I'm alergic to Kleenex...)
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To: rbg81
How does this compares with the 4F rate for previous wars?

In 1940-1944, the rejection rate for draftees was around the low 30 pct area. But these were people who were ordered to report right off the street and off the farm to examining stations for possible service, not people who have taken it upon themselves to seek out a recruiter like the sample above. What is the state of health of the cohort that does not attempt enlistment?

27 posted on 11/04/2009 5:17:31 PM PST by Snickersnee (Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket?)
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To: Indy Pendance
Drill sergeants can’t even swear at them anymore.

OMG !!!!!!

28 posted on 11/04/2009 5:18:59 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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To: Route797

I hope someone in the military can answer this. Why is Attention Deficit Disorder an automatic no for the military? Alot of people are prescribed it just because of homework issues and all that.


29 posted on 11/04/2009 5:24:09 PM PST by Fast Ed97 (Is it bad when you start to miss the Clinton years?)
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To: Route797

Hmm...a cohort of 20 million are eligible, it’s an all-volunteer force and there are waiting lists at recruiting centers. I’ll take it.


30 posted on 11/04/2009 5:24:42 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: guitarplayer1953

THey can’t if they do they get in biggg trouble my cousin is head of troops he told me that


31 posted on 11/04/2009 5:42:33 PM PST by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: guitarplayer1953

My son-in-law, die hard sergeant, in 9 years now, he said, it’s like babysitting. The recruits are infants and bitch about everything, and have a pass to opt out. They’re coddled the entire way. But, facing an enemy ...... it’s bad, be very worried. They older guys (even 3-4 years ago), they’re OK. The newbies, it’s bad, worse than we’ve been lead to believe. This is one reason why so many are reenlisting. They love our country and serve it to defend freedom. There are many who are questioning Obama, and most who reenlist are stating, I’m in it for my country, I can’t leave them now.


32 posted on 11/04/2009 5:47:52 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Conservatives, we are their worst nightmare)
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To: Fast Ed97
I hope someone in the military can answer this. Why is Attention Deficit Disorder an automatic no for the military? Alot of people are prescribed it just because of homework issues and all that.

I think it's the Ritalin, not the ADD, that's the problem. IIRC, long term use of Ritalin prevents individuals from joining the military. It seems to cause permanent, physical changes in the brain, especially if taken during the formative years.

33 posted on 11/04/2009 5:51:51 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Bushbacker1
So! 65% are fit and that's a sizable number.

And of that 65%, only 12% show any interest in serving.

There's a more indepth article at the Navy Times site. I tried to post it yesterday but it was removed due to being a Gannett publication which isn't allowed here for copyright reasons.

34 posted on 11/04/2009 5:52:19 PM PST by Drew68
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To: rbg81

I remember when I was in ROTC I was told I could not be in the Chemical Corps because it was reclassified as a Combat Support and my eye sight precluded me. After commission I ended up in the Ordnance Corps (Service Support) and got assigned to a Reserve Infantry Training Division. When I became the Mobilization Officer for my Battalion, I got a chance to look at our mobilization plan for war. If the war with the Soviet Union got really bad, all officers in the Basic Training Companies, regardless of branch will become 11B’s (ie infantry) and the entire company of trainees upon completion of training (which can be abbreviated to two weeks) will become an infantry replacement unit for lost units. Things get bad, everyone regardless of eyesight, weight and age is infantry.


35 posted on 11/04/2009 5:54:11 PM PST by Fee (Peace, prosperity, jobs and common sense)
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To: rbg81
Some of these rejections are arbitrary too. In a pinch, we could take kids with flamboyant tatoos and those who test positive for marijuana.

Everything and I mean everything is waiverable. In times of need, prior drug use, tattoos, even felonies can be waived. I enlisted in the Navy with a whole stack of waivers. Face it, choir boys often aren't interested in enlisting. Right now though, with the economy the way it is, the military can tighten up their standards and turn more people away.

36 posted on 11/04/2009 5:57:42 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Route797

“physical problems” like being too fat? That can be fixed fairly quick. Illegal drug use can be stopped and is hard to do with a 24/7 supervisor.


37 posted on 11/04/2009 6:14:18 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: ansel12

Maybe those very motivated kids could enter a program where they get trained to fitness, but not paid beyond “three hots and a flop” and maybe some other payback requirements.


38 posted on 11/04/2009 6:25:13 PM PST by fightinJAG (Mr. President: Why did you appoint a Communist to your Administration?)
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To: SevenofNine
My dad was in the Calvary out of ft. Riley here in KS during the start of WW2 he broke horses that pull the caissons, he said in basic they called you every name in the book and a few he'd never heard before. To the day he died he woke up at 4:30 in the morning and slept with his socks on, I asked him why he was up so early one time he caught me sneaking back in the house and said the army did it to him.
39 posted on 11/04/2009 6:39:50 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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To: Fast Ed97

WTF are “homework issues”?


40 posted on 11/04/2009 6:59:42 PM PST by Eagle Eye (3%)
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To: STONEWALLS
...teenage boys knocking up teenage girls.

Ain't teenagers so much as the older recruits. With the economy in the crapper there's a lot more recruits pushing the 35 year-old cutoff age of enlistment. Bootcamp isn't a bunch of pimply-faced boys anymore. There's quite a bit of graying hair and wrinkles mixed in as well these days.

41 posted on 11/04/2009 7:10:56 PM PST by Drew68
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To: rbg81

Bar I hang out at has alot of kids(20’s and 30’s).
I’m a bit passed the half century mark myself.

Practically to a man, the young guys I see coming in this place look like the Pilsbury Dough boy. Maybe not grossly overweight, but almost rounder than they are tall.

A good proportion of the gals are the same.


42 posted on 11/04/2009 7:15:21 PM PST by djf (Maybe life ain't about the doing - maybe it's just the trying... Hey, I don't make the rules!)
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To: Grizzled Bear; Fast Ed97
I think it's the Ritalin, not the ADD, that's the problem. IIRC, long term use of Ritalin prevents individuals from joining the military. It seems to cause permanent, physical changes in the brain, especially if taken during the formative years.

Not exactly. It seems if a kid is off his meds and is able to function without them for over a year, keep a job or in school, and pass the tests then they can be considered for enlistment (Source: http://www.dbpeds.org/section/fall98/adhd_military.html ). But I think your correct about how the meds (and Ritalin is only on of many prescribed at this point) messes with their heads. I known few people who didn't have some issues due not learning coping mechanism to deal with ADHD and permanent changes to the brain (I cannot prove the second one, it's just experience with many friends who did come off).

Either way, there are pro and cons to someone with actual ADHD being used in the military. There is theory I've read about that people with ADHD are natural hunters because there is a lack of ability to choose to take in, so they take in everything at once and are considered more aware (therefore unable to focus. There are also two other states, hyperfocus and brainfog, which float intermediately between if someone is truely ADHD). However, there is the down side where your confronted with someone screaming in your face and you can't even hear them cause you can't concentrate on them cause your ability to hear has been shot at that point due to all the directions you've been trying to pay attention to. Point being if ADHD kid is trained right, they'll do well, they may just be sent back in WOT a bit, which probably is good.

43 posted on 11/04/2009 7:43:06 PM PST by Toki
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To: djf

Yeah, you kind of wonder what kind of parents would stand idly by and watch their kids get obese. In my house, we don’t allow anything with too much corn fructose or chips. Saves $$ and is healthier. When my son was in Boy Scouts, there was this one kid who was already fat and his Dad would feed him tons of smores at camp outs. Had to restrain myself from commenting on that one.


44 posted on 11/04/2009 8:34:05 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Route797

- 35 percent ineligible for medical/physical problems.

— 18 percent ineligible for illegal drug use.

— 9 percent ineligible for mental problems.

— 18 percent have too many dependents.

— 5 percent have a criminal record.

King obuma’s “army.”


45 posted on 11/05/2009 6:27:03 AM PST by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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To: Running On Empty

Marking


46 posted on 11/05/2009 6:28:52 AM PST by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: Route797

Why is it that reporters cannot think mathematically???

“The report, drawing on Pentagon data, says 75 percent of the nation’s 17- to 24-year-olds are ineligible for service for a variety of reasons, including:

— 35 percent ineligible for medical/physical problems.

— 18 percent ineligible for illegal drug use.

— 9 percent ineligible for mental problems.

— 18 percent have too many dependents.

— 5 percent have a criminal record.

____

It does not occur to the reporters that many with medical/physical problems ALSO may have mental problems, obesity (hell-o-o), too many dependents, etc. Instead they straight-line add up the categories and come up with 75%. Morons, morons in our press corps (Or “corpse”, as Obama pronounces it).


47 posted on 11/05/2009 6:32:31 AM PST by cookcounty ("O-bama, O-bama, Ya ba Ouna, Ya ba Ma !!")
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To: Fee
".,..war with the Soviet Union got really bad, all officers in the Basic Training Companies, regardless of branch will become 11B’s (ie infantry..."

I love to hear contingency plans like that. Do you know of more?

Kinda like when TSHTF, the cooks will be formed into the "cannon fodder" brigade.

48 posted on 11/05/2009 6:38:48 AM PST by I Buried My Guns (Buy Lots Of Ammo Today)
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To: 82ndABNOfficer

Maybe that has something to do with it but I think a bigger problem is parents being afraid to let their kids outside to run loose. Instead they’re kept indoors playing video games and chatting with friends on the computer where parents feel they’re safe.

Predators are not dealt harshly enough with and too many are released into society to continue to prey on the most vulnerable.


49 posted on 11/05/2009 6:48:16 AM PST by Nickname
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