Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Judge in Italy convicts 23 Americans in 2003 CIA kidnapping of Egyptian cleric
LA Times ^ | 11/4/2009 | Maria de Cristofaro and Sebastian Rotella

Posted on 11/04/2009 12:35:26 PM PST by markomalley

A judge in Milan convicted 23 Americans today of the kidnapping of an Egyptian cleric in 2003, culminating a landmark trial that gave a look into the secret world of CIA renditions of terror suspects.

Judge Oscar Magi acquitted three Americans, including the former CIA station chief in Italy, because they had diplomatic immunity when a secret team abducted militant cleric Abu Omar in Milan and flew him to Egypt, where he underwent months of torture and abuse. The Americans were tried in absentia, and given that the U.S. government has long declined to cooperate with the prosecution, it seemed unlikely that any of those convicted would spend time in an Italian prison.

Magi set aside charges against the former chief and deputy chief of Italy's spy agency, ruling they were protected by a state secrets law, but he convicted three other accused Italian accomplices.

Overall, the verdict was a victory for anti-terrorism prosecutors and police in Milan who spent six years building a massive, politically charged prosecution, the first anywhere of the CIA's so-called "extraordinary rendition" program. The trial endured delays, legal battles and attempts by the Italian government to scuttle the proceedings.

"I think it is very important for everyone that this trial was completed," said Armando Spataro, the lead prosecutor. "The truth of the events is that which was reconstructed by the DIGOS [investigative police] and the Milan prosecutors during the investigation."

The judge issued an eight-year prison sentence for Robert Seldon Lady, the former CIA chief in Milan who according to testimony initially opposed the rendition but then became its ground-level architect. The other U.S. operatives were given five-year sentences, and the Italians received three-year terms.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bds; cia; donutwatch; espionage; italy; nationalsecurity; shadowgovernment
But the rendition team left a sloppy trail of cellphone calls, credit card charges and photo identification documents that enabled Italian police to assemble a meticulously detailed portrait of the crime.

Sounds like they were a bit clumsy in their work.

So I wonder if Ø will actually turn them over to the Italians?

1 posted on 11/04/2009 12:35:26 PM PST by markomalley
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: markomalley
Magi set aside charges against the former chief and deputy chief of Italy's spy agency, ruling they were protected by a state secrets law,

Their spies are more equal than our spies.

2 posted on 11/04/2009 12:37:19 PM PST by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HonestConservative; holdonnow; rightwingintelligentsia

ping


3 posted on 11/04/2009 12:37:25 PM PST by AliVeritas (Breaking the law, breaking the law; Breaking the law, breaking the law. Judas Priest)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: markomalley

This reeks of a setup for Hussein to look “tough” in the eyes of average Americans.


4 posted on 11/04/2009 12:38:54 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: markomalley

“I think it is very important for everyone that this trial was completed,” said Armando Spataro,”

Yep, that and a knife will get your head sawed off from a Muslim terrorist, Armando.

This bullsh** is window dressing.

I just re-watched “Day of the Jackal” when the French “Action Service” kidnapped a suspect from Italy for just such a purpose.


5 posted on 11/04/2009 12:46:53 PM PST by headstamp 2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: markomalley

But they have aggressive genes and need to be let go. Where is that idiotic link?


6 posted on 11/04/2009 12:51:50 PM PST by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com .... I am a rogue nobody. One of millions.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: markomalley

Has Obama apologized yet?


7 posted on 11/04/2009 12:59:18 PM PST by Constitution Day
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: markomalley

Has Obama apologized yet?


8 posted on 11/04/2009 12:59:19 PM PST by Constitution Day
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

oops


9 posted on 11/04/2009 12:59:45 PM PST by Constitution Day
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: markomalley

“So I wonder if Ø will actually turn them over to the Italians?”

The only real question is how fast.


10 posted on 11/04/2009 1:06:22 PM PST by Grunthor (Thank YOU George Bush, for giving us the GOP of today!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: markomalley
Overall, the verdict was a victory for anti-terrorism prosecutors and police in Milan who spent six years building a massive, politically charged prosecution, the first anywhere of the CIA's so-called "extraordinary rendition" program.

Is the LA Times editorializing in a news article? In any case, this is no victory for anti-terrorism! It's a victory for the TERRORISTS.

I'm almost sorry I served two years in Italy. Too bad they anti-American Left has such power over there now.

11 posted on 11/04/2009 1:11:07 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Alas Babylon!

Just got back from Italy. Most of the people are not anti-American. This is just a renegade judge. Berluscioni would shut him down if he could. Italy has always been a bit of a schizophrenic political state dating back to the pre-Roman era.


12 posted on 11/04/2009 1:25:10 PM PST by ChinaThreat (3)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

Renditions pre-date Bush and have been used in drug as well as terror cases. The reporter states as fact that the terror suspect was tortured and abused by the Egyptians. The suspect’s statement is the only evidence the reporter has for that. What about the “he would say that, wouldn't he”? test? In fact the freed suspect is out wandering the streets of Italy again. He has not a mark on him: otherwise we would have been treated to an avalanche of photos documenting bruises, nailess fingers, broken bones. The CIA used sloppy tradecraft, in part because they were operating in a friendly country with the full cooperation of the host country's security services.
13 posted on 11/04/2009 1:54:21 PM PST by Godwin1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: markomalley

I don’t get it. This guy was a part of the terrorist group that killed the Egyptian president and all of those tourists. He was in Italy because he had to flee Egypt. This guy was, and maybe still is, a terror cell supporter.


14 posted on 11/04/2009 1:56:33 PM PST by BJClinton (Hoffman, Baby, Hoffman)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: markomalley

Doesn’t say if USAF Col. Romano was among the convicted.


15 posted on 11/04/2009 2:39:12 PM PST by NavVet ("You Lie!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: markomalley

Depends on what Soros decides...


16 posted on 11/04/2009 3:12:09 PM PST by RadioCirca1970 (Victory or Death in the War on Terror)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: markomalley
Let us all hope that the Obama presidency will last no longer than the longest running Italian ‘government’ since WWII.

Hint: Italy has not had a government last more than two years since WWII.

Who the Fucik (he's an old composer - so it's a noun) do the Italians think they are?

17 posted on 11/04/2009 3:12:47 PM PST by Leo Farnsworth (I'm not really Leo Farnsworth...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Leo Farnsworth
Who the Fucik (he's an old composer - so it's a noun) do the Italians think they are?
An Appropriate composer for this administration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B0CyOAO8y0
18 posted on 11/04/2009 4:03:30 PM PST by jmcenanly
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: jmcenanly
Touche!

(Sorry I don't know how to put the ~ on the e...).

You are SO correct!

19 posted on 11/04/2009 4:27:45 PM PST by Leo Farnsworth (I'm not really Leo Farnsworth...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Leo Farnsworth

option+e e

Like so:

é


20 posted on 11/04/2009 5:32:02 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 287 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: ChinaThreat

Apparently this particular “Magi” isn’t so wise after all.


21 posted on 11/05/2009 6:20:50 AM PST by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: null and void; Leo Farnsworth

On a Mac keyboard, it’s that easy!

Those of us on a PC have to remember all these “Alt” codes like Alt+0233 = é!

(It helps to keep a cheat-sheet of the special characters you use most often ;)


22 posted on 11/05/2009 6:24:10 AM PST by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: a fool in paradise
Their spies are more equal than our spies.

Quite rightly so. After all, in a case on American soil involving foreign spies, wouldn't you expect your own agents to be protected by domestic legislation? I'd be very surprised if you can find any first world nation which wouldn't follow such an obviously essential practice.

If you mean to express surprise as to why Italy has treated the US this way after all the military aid, largesse, economic development, etc showered on Italy in the past, then that is a diffeent question.Mind you, this outcome was inevitable whether in Italy given the hamfisted and overly public nature of the programme. The question is - is blowback like this worth it? It may be that it was. IOnly the CIA and the Feds know for sure.

23 posted on 11/06/2009 10:08:27 AM PST by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Androcles
Overall, the verdict was a victory for anti-terrorism prosecutors and police in Milan who spent six years building a massive, politically charged prosecution, the first anywhere of the CIA's so-called "extraordinary rendition" program. The trial endured delays, legal battles and attempts by the Italian government to scuttle the proceedings.

The Italian GOVERNMENT is not for this prosecution. Some members on this inside are after this prosecution.

They have real porn stars elected to parliment in Italy.

Their nation is screwed. Love liberalism.

24 posted on 11/06/2009 10:24:40 AM PST by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: a fool in paradise
They have real porn stars elected to parliment in Italy.

I know. Folk like Cicciolina. Even Sylvio Berlusconi, who may be our fllow traveller ghas the morals of a clinton.

25 posted on 11/06/2009 10:34:12 AM PST by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson