Are you certain they just didn't get sucked into it?
Posted on 11/04/2009 10:53:29 AM PST by DesertRenegade
Andrew Sullivan: The truth about civil marriage - why it is the essential criterion for gay equality - is that it alone explodes this core marginalization and invisibility of gay people. It alone can reach those gay kids who need to know they have a future as a dignified human being with a family. It alone tells society that gay people are equal in their loves and in their hearts and in their families - not just useful in a society with a need for talented or able individuals whose private lives remain perforce sequestered from view.
This is why it remains the prize. And why our eyes must remain fixed upon it. In my view, the desperate nature of the current tactics against us, the blatant use of fear around children (which both worries parents and also stigmatizes gay people in one, deft swoop) are signs that what we are demanding truly, truly matters.
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So much for the stated myth that it was all about the actions of consenting ADULTS in PRIVATE.
Anything goes. Slippery slope. Rick Santorum was right.
They infiltrated the psychology ranks and deemed their own behavior “normal”.
Great example why you never want felons or people serving sentences in prison to have voting privileges, then politicians will cater to them as well.
Kevin Jennings has basically already admitted he wants to recruit in the public schools.
In any case, Sullivan's statement is not in support of recruiting. He believes (or at least claims to) that there are certain kids who are going to find out that they are gay and shouldn't have to suffer any abuse when they find that out. He probably believes the gay community line that no kids who are heterosexual will even try to experiment with homosexuality just because their teachers spend class time talking about it.
Personally I don't believe any school time should be wasted on any of this, and if the parents don't teach their kids about the birds and the bees so be it. Parents don't teach their kids how to manage their money or how to drive properly, so why should we expect them to teach their kids about the birds and the bees? And why should be expect the schools to do a better job of it when they are so bad at simple things like math and reading?
One thing I disagree with you on is your confidence that homosexual marriage will continue to be opposed by the electorate.
There used to be a solid 75% opposed to gay marriage. Now it is down to 55% or so. It won't be long before that erodes to 45%.
Then we at FR will be under constant threat of being found guilty of hate crimes for just expressing our opinions in opposition to what will be the status quo ... or rather ... status ho mo!
The blatant attempt by school officials to present homosexuality in schools on a level footing with heterosexuality, isn’t just shameful, it should be criminal IMO.
This isn’t about what lifestyles people choose for themselves, although I don’t favor open homosexuality, it’s about the children. And in this instance, the phrase “for the children” is very appropriate.
There is a goal to teach children from K on up, that homosexuality is a choice with no more moral impact than selecting which brand of toothpaste to use. These are kids that aren’t even old enough to comprehend heterosexual sexuality. So in these pre-formative years, these kids are being told that they should keep an open mind about homosexuality. The eventual message here (even if not in Kindergarten) is, “Hey, have you tried it? Then how do you know?”
That’s not my visions of the three Rs. Leave it to the people who sought to steal the rainbow and stink up a happy word, to make one of the Rs Rses...
Homosexuals need to watch their step, because the public is being forced into making some powder keg decisions these days. When it comes to K on up children, these people have clearly stepped over the line.
Everyone should keep this in mind -
they will NOT ALLOW DISSENTING OPINIONS
when they get power.
So, you will have the same choices as you do under Islamic rule:
Convert,
Be enslaved,
or Die
I know what you’re talking about. Many things considered taboo have becomed de-tabooed. That’s isn’t my point. On the face of it, it really isn’t going to make a difference in my life if gay people are allowed to get married by the state, but there are other aspects of the radical gay agenda that I find appalling such as their desire to mould the minds of public school kids as well as other aspects of the thought police in action. Do I want a church to be punished if they speak out against the gay lifestyle as immoral? (No, although I don’t care if they live together and do the nasty or don’t live together and do the nasty) Being opposed to something on ideological or ethical terms doesn’t equate HATE. This is the lie of the radical gay agenda as well most of leftydom. I am glad though that the people in Maine get to vote on the issue of gay marrige instead of it being shoved in the back door (sorry for the pun) of some judge’s chamber.
Are you certain they just didn't get sucked into it?
“if the parents don’t teach their kids about the birds and the bees so be it”
Even the youngest of children know through common sense that Mommy is a woman and Daddy is a man. With open eyes they see that Man + Woman = baby while Man + Man = HIV. It is not something that even needs to be taught - it is self evident.
Absolute mentally ill horsecrap... My family and my marriage are not defined by any government entity. If the government collapsed tommorrow I'd still be married and my family would still exist.
If you think your future is dictated by government sanction you are not only mentally ill, but a complete loon.
My marriage is not defined by the government, in fact I couldn't even tell you where my government issued marriage certificate is. I'm sure its in a drawer somewhere with other legal documents that hold no meaning other than they need pulled out for a beaurocrat once a decade or so, but it certainly does not define my love, my marriage or my family.
In fact I don't want the government involved in my relationship at all, and the only reason that it is tolerated is that there is a legitimate argument that the government has a vested interested in offspring, that traditional marriage produces. Homosexual "marriage" cannot produce offspring naturally, so there is absolutely no reason government should have any involvement in those relationships.
My marriage is an institution before God, not the state. The stage could abolish its recognition of my marriage tommorrow and it would have absolutely zero impact on my life or my marriage.
Homosexuals are free to be with whoever they want, they are free to find some pastor or other relgious group willing to "marry" them, but they cannot offer one legitimate secular or non-secular reason why the state should have any interest in their relationships, and its frankly frightening and insane that they want the state involved in them at all.
Amazing. He needs to take himself and his disgusting proclivities back to England.
You are quite correct.
In the long run, unfortunately, this is a losing cause.
Barring some dramatic change in our society’s trajectory.
Exactly, your orientation is dictated by your biology, it doesn’t take a genious to figure out the sexual orientation biologically of an adult male. Denial of this orientation and a wish to behave in actions that are counter to this biological orientation is simply mental illness, nothing more.
Oh yeah, the one in the middle had a brothel going out of his DC apartment, right? Of course no cause to retire him.
If gays are given the right to marry, the next thing they will demand is the right to adopt children. How do you feel about a gay couple of men adopting a young boy? What do you think the boy will be exposed to? Any thoughts?
They were already caught on tape in some schools teaching fisting and other things in the name of tolerance, so IMO, block them always from the children.
So Andy admits that same sex marriage has nothing to do with freedom of homosexuals to do what they want in pricate, and has everything to do with having government put its stamp of approval on homosexual behavior. As there are differing views on the morality of homosexual behavior, the state has no business giving its imprimatur to this.
A child has a right to a mother and father. To suggest that a gay couple has the right to a family as this author states is to deny a child a mother or father. If you like what fatherlessness in America has wrought, Detroit would be great. One can get a house there for $500.
pricate=private
If gay “marriage” is legalized, will poly marriages be far behind (sorry) or between consenting children, etc, etc.
Western Society has been in decline for some time but it feels like we have entered a period of accelerating entropy - the entirety of society reduced to a level unimaginable even just 20 years ago.
What kind of cruel bastard would want to mislead them this way? The very suggestion is just heartless.
;-/
Bump to reference later
“A child has a right to a mother and father.”
Since when?
The only way we can show misguided, sick children who are convinced they’re homosexual is by redefining an institution that has served as social bedrock for thousands of years?
Apparently logic doesn’t rate high in Andy’s forensic hierarchy.
When gays are able to procreate then we might have a need to have a conversation about the equality of homosexual and heterosexual lifestyles. Until then, the two are not equal and cannot be.
“How do you feel about a gay couple of men adopting a young boy? What do you think the boy will be exposed to? Any thoughts?”
One name - JESSE DIRKHISING
Then get them to have their first sexual experience with a member of their own sex and you've probably created a new gay playmate.
Sick.
And now it’s illegal to say the truth about all this.
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They are mental IMO.
Doesn’t it make one want to put one’s hand on one’s hip, lean to one side and say “OH - GET OVER IT!”?
What amazes the hell out of me with this gay movement/marriage thing is they act like it’s the end of the world or something.
Is that all they do, sit around and cry about not getting special rights ? With all that’s going on in the world THAT’S their main concern ?
That alone tells me it’s an agenda. Nothing more.
Cain and Abel
i think gays are allowed to adopt in some states already.
Hardly.
Having both a mother and a father is a blessing, not a right.
Here in Massachusetts, we have already been-there-done-that with regard to the "legalization" of gay marriage (by judicial fiat and not by referendum) being used by radical gay activists as a justification for indoctrinating our kids in the public schools....as early as kindergarten!!!
We,in Massachusetts, may have lost the "gay marriage" battle for now, but we are not going to allow that to discourage us from continuing to fight the good fight with a view to winning the "gay marriage" war.
We the people of Massachusetts were denied our right to vote on the "gay marriage" issue. We will not stop doing everything we can to change that.
When the gay activists in California started their now-familiar whining embodied in their drama queen lament "How is legalizing gay marriage hurting anyone?" we did our best to flood California with the truth about how gay activists started indoctrinating our children in the public schools IMMEDIATELY after gay marriage became legal here in the state of Massachusetts.
Actually, it was a lesbian California teacher, among others, who made our case best for us when she set up a "field trip" to city hall so that her grade school students could attend her same sex wedding!
At the end of the day, when radical gay activists call us "homophobes," we should feel complemented, since "homophobia" is simply the natural revulsion that unnatural acts invite in most people
Ever heard of "fistgate???"
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/issues/fistgate/index.html
ahh but the homosexual author is saying that CHILDREN have a right to adult sex acts.
A confused child sorting out BEHAVIOR is to be allowed to be confused by a deviant practitioner.
You have an Obama administration figure on record espousing heterophobia suggesting that exposure to Romeo & Juliet is hetero-propaganda.
The government is here to tell you that thousands of years of cultural and religious teachings were "wrong".
The government can weigh in on culture but it PROHIBITED from defining what is NOT a sin.
but apparently there is precident for the government crucifying those who disagree with their definitions...
“There used to be a solid 75% opposed to gay marriage.”
Then we need a better PR campaign. The only reason the depraved Left is gaining on us in this issue is because they have a great PR campaign (through the News media, pop culture, television, theater, movies etc.)
We need to start a campaign telling the truth about same sex marriage and homosexual behavior, and how it will lead to the perverted sexualization of children, the breakdown of the traditional family, the erosion of civil society as a sexed up society isn’t civil, easier government control over our lives as immoral people are easier to be controlled, and how same sex marriage will discriminate against religious institutions and individuals and force them to accept this sex act or be fired/lose their tax exempt status/be forced to close down/etc.
But the important thing is that we have to be ACTIVE on this. So many Churches and Synagogues are silent on this issue. They give evasive reasons ranging from “it isn’t our fight” to “we need to stop global warming”. (I mean come on. Global warming? Putting aside that its a red herring to force a tax on all of us, religion has a law against homosexuality and has no mention of climate change. The same sex marriage issue seems more up our alley).
While the patriots are fighting against Barack Hussein Obama’s Marxist Health “Care” package, the social conservatives need to run ads and start actually PREACHING for a change about homosexual marriage.
It is both a blessing and a right.
Aside from being an inalienable right that is endowed by the Creator:
United Nations Declaration of the Rights of the Child (1959)
Principle 6
The child, for the full and harmonious development of his personality, needs love and understanding. He shall, wherever possible, grow up in the care and under the responsibility of his parents,
Convention on the Rights of the Child
U.N. General Assembly
(12 December 1989)
Article 7
1. The child shall be registered immediately after birth and shall have the right from birth to a name, the right to acquire a nationality and, as far as possible, the right to know and be cared for by his or her parents.
Surely, Mr. Sullivan needs his head examined. I can assure him that if blacks had the numbers and influence in govt., entertainment, and media that gays have now; if blacks had the per capita income that gays enjoy now; they never would have needed to ask for a civil rights bill.
Gays suffer no injustice. They have the same rights we all have. They want special rights. Because they believe that laws giving them special rights will somehow give them legitimacy, will take away that hole in the middle of their souls, that bottomless pit that gnaws at them everyday telling them that what they are doing is wrong, that they need to stop before it's too late. No court, or law created by any government will be able to change the act that God says is an abomination into anything worthy of praise.
Their loss is to their and our gain and even when they think they win, they lose.
Just out of curiosity, is there somewhere in either of those UN declarations that defines “parents” as a child’s biological mom or dad or both? Otherwise, I don’t think any single parent or gay couple with children would disagree.
Here is an expert from Lord Blackstone, author of "Commentary on the Laws". This was one of two books (the other being by Coke) that lawyers during our founding were required to study completely:
THE duty of parents to provide for the maintenance of their children is a principle of natural law ; an obligation laid on them not only by nature herself, but by their own proper act, in bringing them into the world : for they would be in the highest manner injurious to their issue, if they only gave the children life, that they might afterwards see them perish. By begetting them therefore they have entered into a voluntary obligation, to endeavour, as far as in them lies, that the life which they have bestowed shall be supported and preserved. And thus the children will have a perfect right of receiving maintenance from their parents. And the president Montesquieu has a very juft observation upon this head : that the establishment of marriage in all civilized states is built on this natural obligation of the father to provide for his children ; for that ascertains and makes known the person who is bound to fulfil this obligation: whereas, in promiscuous and illicit conjunctions, the father is unknown ; and the mother finds a thousand obstacles in her way ; --- shame, remorse, the constraint of her sex, and the rigor of laws ; --- that stifle her inclinations to perform this duty : and besides, the generally wants ability.
Mostesquieu was author of "Spirit of the Law" the most widely read philosophical work of our founding generation.
This is the price children pay:
63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census)
90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes
85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes (Source: Center for Disease Control)
80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes (Source: Criminal Justice & Behavior, Vol. 14, p. 403-26, 1978.)
71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes (Source: National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools.)
75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes (Source: Rainbows for all God`s Children.)
70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report, Sept 1988)
85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home (Source: Fulton Co. Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. of Corrections 1992)
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