Britain betrayed as hated EU treaty becomes law (UK Sun)

The UK Sun ^ | Nov 4, 2009 | TOM NEWTON-DUNN

[Nobel_1]

THE last hope of blocking a new European constitution was snuffed out last night - the final kick in the teeth after Labour's betrayal of Britain. The Czech Republic became the last EU nation to sign the Lisbon Treaty, which will now become law.

Gordon Brown's Labour broke a promise to give 60million Britons a say on it.

Now it's too late as we are dragged screaming into a vastly more powerful European Union yesterday.

The last remaining opposition to the new EU constitution ended when Czech president Vaclav Klaus was forced to sign the Lisbon Treaty.

His reluctant endorsement meant the document has been ratified by all 27 EU states and will become as good as LAW on December 1.

Gordon Brown - a key element of a Labour Government that reneged on its promise to hold a referendum on the treaty - hailed the move as "an important and historic step for all of Europe".

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2712808/Britain-betrayed-as-hated-EU-treaty-is-finally-made-law.html#ixzz0VuTUMLQn

[Nobel_1]

UK Conservatives were effectively punched in the face. Gordon Brown was partly elected on a promise to hold a national referrendum ... which he later reneged on.

Tory Shadow Foreign Secretary William Hague said: "We think it is a bad day for democracy."

David Cameron will today spell out a new attack plan to reform the treaty if he becomes Prime Minister.

The treaty will trigger a massive shift of power to Brussels. It will mean:

1. EU judges deciding some of Britain's criminal laws.

2. A POWERFUL new Euro president, foreign policy supremo and diplomatic service.

3. UNIONS able to strike more easily under the Charter of Fundamental Rights, which could take us back to the dark days of 1970s industrial strife.

4. NATIONAL vetoes being dumped in 16 key areas including transport, home affairs and energy policy.

5. GREATER EU control over immigration and asylum seekers, including benefit entitlements.

6. In the treaty's small print, national leaders are given the right to cede even MORE power to Europe without having to ask voters.

[edcoil]

England; 200 years of history unhampered by progress.

[2banana]

And still the Euro is kicking the dollar in the teeth!

[BertWheeler]

The concept of a European Union is just window dressing for an elite based One World Order.

Let’s fight this baby while it’s still in the crib because it’s going to grow and grow and grow.

England already has lost her nuts and can’t even stand up anymore.

[LachlanMinnesota]

The public gets the kind of government that it deserves. If they wanted free benefits and world government, this is a consolidation toward that end.
They will reap what they sow.

[freekitty]

Why doesn’t Britain stand up and fight?

[mikeus_maximus]

The liberal elite doesn’t care what the masses want: liberals know what’s best for the common folk.

[gattaca]

European Union is evil

[Nobel_1]

I didn’t even know this was going on in the UK ... it took a call from friends in London to clue me in. They are livid over in London today ...

Let’s make sure this type of “slight of hand” does not occur here!

Sad day in the UK

[LachlanMinnesota]

Hitler tried a new world order by force, and if he had only waited, the people would have voted it in on their own.

[piytar]

And the socialist superstate of Eurasia is officially born...

[opentalk]

It is an attack on sovereignty. The same forces want The United States to give up our Soverenrty. This is a warning. Obama seems to be on board with undermining our freedoms. Geroge soros and UN agendas.

[mewzilla]

Why don’t they abrogate the treaty? What’s the EU gonna do? Sue?

[doc11355]

The public gets the kind of government that it deserves. If they wanted free benefits and world government, this is a consolidation toward that end. They will reap what they sow.

Unfortunately, we also reap what they sow.

[Nobel_1]

We need to watch the UN agenda in the US housing market ... definitely trying to get a foot in the door ...

[geologist]

“In the treaty’s small print, national leaders are given the right to cede even MORE power to Europe without having to ask voters.”
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Read this and weep ... we are next and soon unless we derail this steam roller in power now.

We do not have time to dither and make useless preening and toothless speeches.

God help us in our day, in Jesus name, amen.

[agere_contra]

We’ll abrogate the treaty the moment Labour is out.

[Nobel_1]

Cameron denies EU treaty 'turmoil'
(UKPA) – 6 hours ago

David Cameron has denied that his party is in turmoil on Europe, as he came under pressure over his decision to abandon plans for a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.

The Tory leader indicated that he will unveil a promise that power will never again be handed over to Brussels without the approval of the British people.

He blamed Gordon Brown's Government for allowing the treaty - which achieved ratification on Tuesday with the signature of Czech President Vaclav Klaus - to become law without a referendum.

Most Tory eurosceptics appear to have accepted shadow foreign secretary William Hague's argument that a referendum on Lisbon is no longer possible, as the Treaty is now law and its provisions, including a permanent President of the European Council and the loss of some British vetoes, cannot be undone.

But there is growing pressure for Mr Cameron to promise a vote of some kind on Britain's relations with the EU.

UK Press Association

[Obadiah]

Good for you!

[darkside321]

Why don’t they abrogate the treaty? What’s the EU gonna do? Sue?

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hm at first maybe ask them if they are schizophrenic?
(the same politician who would have to abrograte the treaty ,have just signed it weeks bevore :-) then of course punish them.

[antiRepublicrat]

And still the Euro is kicking the dollar in the teeth!

It's pretty whacked. The real purchasing power of a Euro to that of a dollar is about 1:1.

[mojito]

A black day for the UK.

Parliament is no longer sovereign. London is subservient to unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.

It took Napoleon 200 years, but it seems a Napoleonic idea and mode of government has finally snuffed out freedom in the UK.

Unless, of course, her patriots wish to take it back.

[Nobel_1]

no guns in the UK ... tough to “take back your country” once you give it away ...

high debt, high taxes, high unemployment, high numbers of folks “on the dole” (welfare) ...

perhaps the only way to save their economy from collapse was to give-in to the EU and the Euro ...

bye-bye Sterling.

[Rummenigge]

uhmmm - no.

1090 Dollar buy an ounce of gold - 730 € do also.

[nina0113]

We’ll abrogate the treaty the moment Labour is out.

You may have to borrow some guns from the IRA to enforce that.

[Rummenigge]

Their patriots might wish to fight for beeing just british - but will they be able to work for it ?

[opentalk]

From article: treaty will result in,

-EU judges deciding some of Britain's criminal laws.

-UNIONS able to strike more easily under the Charter of Fundamental Rights, which could take us back to the dark days of 1970s industrial strife.

Obama brought in Harold koh who is big on international law superseding US law. His main visitor to the White house was SEIU union boss. William Radke, the founder of ACORN is helping build an international acorn and talks about international unions.

[Nobel_1]

So what are your projects for how the Euro will perform now that the Lisbon Treaty gives Brussels Real Power ?

[cvq3842]

There is a fair amount of scholarship indicating that a treaty that violates the US Constitution is invalid. I hope people like Mark Levin are at the ready.

[Nobel_1]

Re: Obama brought in Harold koh who is big on international law superseding US law

see link on Harold Koh at Free Republic Posts

we may have to wait on congressional changes 1 year from now in order to get enough light focused on the Czars to get them removed en mass ...

[plinyelder]

If Mark Levin isn’t ready .. I’m sure that a few million of us armed patriots will be!

[tbw2]

So Europe’s fixed that quirk of having a slightly lower unemployment than ours. They’ll be back to being worse off very shortly.

[DoughtyOne]

In a word, TREASON...

If ever there were a reason to storm the offices of government officials and string them up, this would be it IMO.

This is an outright surrender of self-determination and sovereignty to a non-representative totalitarian government body outside it’s own borders.

How do you buy into this type of betrayal?

[DoughtyOne]

In a word, TREASON...

If ever there were a reason to storm the offices of government officials and string them up, this would be it IMO.

This is an outright surrender of self-determination and sovereignty to a non-representative totalitarian government body outside it’s own borders.

How do you buy into this type of betrayal?

[antiRepublicrat]

1090 Dollar buy an ounce of gold - 730 € do also.

730 Euros is $1,077 today. Pretty close to 1:1.

[Myrddin]

It's pretty whacked. The real purchasing power of a Euro to that of a dollar is about 1:1.

On my last visit to the UK in April 1999, the exchange rate was $1.63 USD per pound. When shopping in the stores, items that I could buy for $1 USD on US soil cost 1 UK pound on the store shelves in the UK. UK merchandise was essentially priced 63% higher than the same item on US soil. I suspect that relationship exists now for items priced in Euros in the EU vs the same items priced in USD on US soil. Suffice to say, I immediately observed the much higher prices and simply recorded the items that interested me for later purchase when I returned to the U.S.

[piytar]

I’d say both the dollar and the Euro are looking at hyperinflation. I expect that theirs will be worse, but we have a head start with our massive deficit spending. Then again, ours might be worse if obama gets his way, which I honestly believe is his intent.

Orwell got a couple things wrong. It won’t be Eurasia, Eastasia, and Oceana. It will be the EU, the North American Union, and the Chinese Bloc. Japan with their tech and disproportionately large economy might be an independent (one of the few), but they have serious economic problems esp with their bonds. The Middle East will be gutted for natural resources, as will Africa (Orwell got that part right). But there won’t be perpetual war against each other; the H-bomb makes that infeasible. All will coorperate in their wars against their own people.

I give it 10 years, 20 at most, unless we save America. As for the EU and its people, a socialist superstate is now officially inevitable. In fact, it is now officially achieved.

/sorry, got on a roll

[Billthedrill]

One elitist bureaucracy has just ceded power to a bigger one, presumably in return for a slice of the pie although that sort of promise doesn’t always work out the way it’s presented. Should Great Britain actually decide to break off the relationship she has the best military in Europe to back it up. But uprooting the bureaucracy, that’s a lot more difficult. And uprooting the bureaucracy will have to come first. Best of luck, chaps.

[dagogo redux]

"This is an outright surrender of self-determination and sovereignty to a non-representative totalitarian government body outside it’s own borders.

How do you buy into this type of betrayal?"

The same way the States did in our fair land. Anyone ready to really do what it takes to uphold the Tenth Amendment? Or to secede? Anyone?

[Nobel_1]

great question - How do you buy into this type of betrayal?

In the case of the UK, they trusted the words of a politician to protect them ...

[DoughtyOne]

You and I would find almost identical views on the federal government as it exists today, but I do see a useful role for a federal government. The problem is, the states (and the populace) have allowed it to blossom way out of control. It must be stuffed back in it’s box. About that, there is no doubt.

The federal government isn’t the worst of it either. It has been parceling off it’s decisions to bodies outside our control, and plans on doing more of it in the near future.

States should bring federal suit to stop this. A class action suit brought by a majority of states could go a long way toward rectifying what’s wrong with this nation. Our Constitution either stands for something, or all bets are off. If the federal government doesn’t have to adhere to it, why should you, I or anyone have to?

In times of war, I am glad we have a central government to bring troops to bear. On matters of trade, I believe it is best to have one central body to set the rules. Of course, that’s providing they are reasoned rules. Disbursing our ‘state secrets’ to potential adversary nations is downright suicidal. Moving our jobs offshore is another area where I think the federal government has zoned out. Allowing our states to be overrun by foreign nationals is another problematic area. Fiscal treachery is another area of concern.

I do think the federal government is out of control. We certainly agree about that.

We do vote for our federal officials. There won’t be any votes under the E.U. to select it’s leadership.

[DoughtyOne]

While I understand your point, I don’t think you or I would vote to place any person in office that was toying with relinquishing sovereignty or self-governance.

Even border issues will be determined by the E.U. Good grief!

Of course the U.S. has allowed the U.N. to determine our own, so I’ve got a lot of room to talk here.

[Zetman]

It will be the EU, the North American Union, and the Chinese Bloc. Japan with their tech and disproportionately large economy might be an independent (one of the few), but they have serious economic problems esp with their bonds.

Well, I pray that you are wrong on all counts. But one could feasibly see a future where this might come to pass. However, the Russians themselves are still pretty feisty, and I don't see them (and their satellites) wanting to join any Chinese Bloc, or the EU (and I don't see the Chinese as being strong enough to "force" them to join the Chinese Bloc anytime soon, either - do you??). So, do you think that a seperate "Russian Bloc" should also be a part of your list - a Russian Bloc which includes more or less the former USSR States??

In addition, with our affinity to Europe here in the USA, do you think that there would really be a seperate North American Union in the end (assuming that we true Patriots are defeated)?? If it gets to the point where we are forming up a "North American Union", that would mean the European-loving liberals in America had won the day, and I think they would then be just as happy to "take the next step" at that point, and officially join us up with the EU.

That would instead leave these world-power blocs: the EU, the Chinese Bloc, the Russian Bloc, and the unaligned Islamic states (Middle East, and Africa). Who knows what would happen to the Middle East and Africa?? Your scenario is just as plausible as any other. I think Japan would not be able to field a strong enough military to be able to prevent being absorbed by the Chinese Bloc, right across the water from them. The USA would probably not be able to prevent China from doing so, after the libs get done further weakening OUR military over the next 5 to 10 to 15 years.

And what about India?? Russian Bloc, or Chinese Bloc?? For some reason, I lean "Chinese Bloc" for them, if any of this awfulness plays out "for real".

Not sure where the likes of Australia and New Zealand would wind up. My first impression says "EU", but I also hear that China is making a lot of deals with the Aussies for developing and exploiting their natural resources, so who knows?? 10 or 20 years from now, they might be pretty snuggy with China, or China may feel the need to use their military to protect their "strategic national assests".

What do you think?? A lot of this depends upon how a lot of different variables continue to develop over the next 10 to 20 years.

This is indeed a wake-up call. Patriots in the USA, Britain, and other places are running out of time. Next year's mid-term elections are becoming more and more important each day. Hopefully, we will look back upon these posts of ours in 20 years, and laugh at how silly we sounded!!

There. I out-wrote you !!

[stormer]

I travel to Europe every couple of years and happen to have returned to the states about 2 weeks ago. After calculating for the exchange, while there are regional differences, prices there are on par with the US. This trip I was in Italy, Croatia, Montenegro, and Greece, with Greece being the least expensive.

[Nobel_1]

'Never Again': Cameron Pledge On EU Treaty

link: Sky News-Breaking

Unveiling the Tories' new policy on Europe, following ratification of the Treaty, he said the new act would ensure British law takes precedence over EU law.

"We cannot hold a referendum and magically make the Lisbon Treaty itself disappear," Mr Cameron said.

But, he promised, "never again" would power be passed to the EU, without a referendum, under a Conservative government.

"This is not about Westminster striking down individual items of EU legislation," the Tory leader said.

"It is about an assurance that the final word on our laws is here in Britain."

The Conservative leader is attempting to draw a line under the referendum issue by promising no further "erosion of British sovereignty".

"We will make sure that this never, ever happens again," he said.

"Never again should it be possible for a British government to transfer power to the European Union without the say of the British people in a referendum."

Mr Cameron also said a Conservative government would aim to return some of the powers from the EU to Britain.

The party would try to get back Britain's opt-out in some areas of EU social and employment legislation, a return of criminal justice powers, and a "complete opt-out" from the EU's charter of fundamental rights, he said.

[1776 Reborn]

You can only hope this movement dies a quick death once people all over Europe realize what has been fostered on them.

[Nobel_1]

In the back of my mind, I’m thinking of all the “promises” and “professions of mainstream moderation” exposed by Zero prior to his unconstitutional election last year ...

It’s not what Zero says he will do, but what Zero can get away with these days that concerns me. I definitely see parallels between where the UK is today, and where the US may be in 12 months.

[calex59]

Well then I would say they need to elect different leaders who will pull them out of the EU. All they have to do is say, “hey, we don’t want to belong”. The longer they wait the harder it will be to get out of it.

[Nobel_1]

re: Power blocks and Russian-Chinese interests in the Middle East

I see the Lisbon Treaty as the rebirth of the Roman Empire. So in that context, I would say that Russia views the Middle East as a prize to be taken. They love the power of energy.

China, in contrast, has been running all over the world gobbling-up future commodity deliveries to the home land. They will view any intrusion on their future oil supplies from the Middle East as a treat, and will march on the Middle East.

If the EU grows in financial and military strength, then Russia & China will view this as a threat to their desires.

[DoughtyOne]

So do I. I do believe that Obama’s cornerstone goal was dealt a death blow last night though. They won’t pass government health care now.

As for the other nonsense he’s pushing, it’s not going unnoticed. The Independents voted 60% for Republicans in those gubernatorial races yesterday, even in New Jersey.

The Obama era is over. Obamanism is dead. He will still do some things we don’t like, but there’s a very good chance that much of it will be undone in 2011.

Where we have to be careful now, is to make sure we have Conservative candidates on the ticket in the spring. We don’t want Congress to change hands and have the Republican party with a massive number of RINOs to screw things up.

We really need to be working hard right now.