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A deathblow to ObamaCare
NY Post ^ | November 4, 2009 | DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

Posted on 11/04/2009 3:55:57 AM PST by Scanian

CHRIS Christie's gutsy win in New Jersey puts the arrogant big spender Jon Corzine in his place. But it is the election in Virginia that probably has more to say to marginal Democratic congressmen considering how to vote on health-care reform.

Obviously, Christie's victory is a body blow to Obama after Corzine outspent the Republican by five-to-one and the president put on a serious push for the incumbent. Corzine's defeat sends a message that the nation is moving sharply against Obama.

But Virginia results are the most important. More than 80 Democratic congressmen and 20 senators come from states that John McCain carried in 2008. For them, the sudden switch in Virginia, a swing state that Obama actually carried, heralds tough political times ahead.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/deathblow_to_obamacare_YSbuCWMLlCet4mv9b421GO#ixzz0VtIh2MON

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: 2009; christie; corzine; democrats; healthcare; newjersey; obamacare; virginia

1 posted on 11/04/2009 3:55:57 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian

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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/deathblow_to_obamacare_YSbuCWMLlCet4mv9b421GO#ixzz0VtIh2MON


2 posted on 11/04/2009 4:00:02 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.)
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To: Scanian
I wish I could share this optimism. With regards to the 2 "federal" elections held, both in CA-10 and NY-23, 0bama won.

If anything, he'll use that as a mandate to move even further to the left.

3 posted on 11/04/2009 4:02:40 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Scanian

....folks...we’ve got to get on the phones today and call our representatives in Washington...we CAN fight off Obamacare if we try.


4 posted on 11/04/2009 4:03:42 AM PST by STONEWALLS
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To: pnh102
For you buddy...
5 posted on 11/04/2009 4:04:37 AM PST by pburgh01
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To: Scanian
Morris has it exactly right — it's what I was expecting as the biggest outcome from yesterday's elections.

Blue Dogs have to look at yesterday's results and start to quiver at the prospects of Pelosi and the Whip that the Dems are going to be demanding. “Maybe Nancy and Rahm were wrong to be dismissing the March on Washington and the Tea Parties and the Townhallers...” Hey, Blue Dogs: get ready for some really difficult votes!

Unfortunately, on the other hand, yesterday may also be telling these representatives that they are already toast so they might as well cast their lot with the devil and give in to passing these awful bills.

Meanwhile, look for the jobs report on Friday to show that the magic 10% level of unemployment has been breached.

6 posted on 11/04/2009 4:04:57 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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To: Scanian

Or they’re going to pass it and every other communist totalitarian law they can to spite America before they get replaced.

America is not a free country. This congress and this president are doing their best to destroy what was left of personal liberty and property rights.


7 posted on 11/04/2009 4:05:24 AM PST by MichiganConservative (Abolish the IRS, income tax, the 16th amendment and the Federal Reserve. Replace them with nothing.)
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To: STONEWALLS

What are you doing to make sure that your local GOP finds and promotes good, constitution-following candidates for congress.

What are you doing to make sure your state legislature is full of people who will say “no” to the federal government?


8 posted on 11/04/2009 4:07:53 AM PST by MichiganConservative (Abolish the IRS, income tax, the 16th amendment and the Federal Reserve. Replace them with nothing.)
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To: Scanian
CHRIS Christie's gutsy win

Considering that was Corzine's biggest issue, the subliminal message apparently got through.

9 posted on 11/04/2009 4:08:24 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: Scanian
Morris is the most amoral creature in the political profession today. That makes him the most qualified to offer the best analysis on politics in this country. If I were running for office I'd want him as my guru.
10 posted on 11/04/2009 4:12:45 AM PST by Recon Dad (Staff Sgt O - 3rd Afghanistan Deployment - Day 14 FOB TODD)
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To: pnh102
If anything, he'll use that as a mandate to move even further to the left.
Obama doesn't NEED any mandate to move further left. He'll move further left in any case. And yes, the CA-10 and NY-23 results will be cited by his spin-machine as justification for his Stalinization of America.

But Morris' point is still well taken. Democrats in normally red districts, or in blue districts in red states, have to be feeling the heat of the Virginia election and what it means.

It means voters in red states (and some blue states too) are not supporting anyone who supports Obama. Period.

11 posted on 11/04/2009 4:12:55 AM PST by samtheman
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To: pnh102
With regards to the 2 "federal" elections held, both in CA-10 and NY-23, 0bama won.

He "lost" the executives of two large very Democratic states, in campaigns he personally invested in.

That's alot more lost than the gain of 2/435ths of one half of one third of the Federal government.

12 posted on 11/04/2009 4:20:33 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: pnh102

I’m with you. I’m happy my state of NJ elected Christie over Corzine, but the very same voters approved a 400 million dollar bond issue to pay for a green acres program (the gubmint buying land). Stupid moron voters. On the one hand they complain about their taxes being too high, on the other hand they get a chance to vote NO on 400 million in new borrowing and spending and they approve it instead. For what? To buy some marshes and meadows. Freakin morons.


13 posted on 11/04/2009 4:24:01 AM PST by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: dead

That’s fuzzy math.


14 posted on 11/04/2009 4:32:21 AM PST by petercooper (GOP: Big Tent Party??? Not if you are a CONSERVATIVE.)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

Completely agree with Morris on this. These dim congressmen from red states have got to know that they are next on the chopping block if they carry the false messiah’s water by voting for his socialist agenda. These rats also know the first rule in politics: self preservation. Why carry Obie’s water when he’s only going to drown you with it?


15 posted on 11/04/2009 4:34:42 AM PST by RU88 (Bow to no man)
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To: Scanian
For a person with exotic bedroom taste and an execrable choice of bosses, Dick Morris is proving to be a remarkably insightful journalist.
16 posted on 11/04/2009 4:38:35 AM PST by altair (All I want for Christmas is NO legislation passed for the rest of the year)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

I think you’re right about the 10% unemplymment number.

I always felt they were massaging the numbers so it wouldn’t be at 10% before elections. And now they want the real numbers out (i.e. 10%) asap allowing the enough time to spin it before the ‘10 campaign gets in swing.

BTW, 10% and ‘10 blend smoothly for a GOP campaign. I know there’s some creative admeister who could make it work.


17 posted on 11/04/2009 4:47:46 AM PST by nhwingut (The media's love affair with Obama reminds me of a dog humping a telephone pole.)
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To: pnh102
I wish I could share this optimism. With regards to the 2 "federal" elections held, both in CA-10 and NY-23, 0bama won.

Only in the fashion he always has in the past - by default.

I both wish Obama had campaigned in CA10 (people in this area are in a lot of pain) and wish that the RNC money sent to NY23 had been sent to Harmer instead. Obama's hope & change is not working out very well in the bay area.

The lines of CA10 are drawn so strangely[1] that I'm not sure exactly what its demographics are even though I'm nearby at the moment. Probably a gerrymandered D.

[1] In California that means rural strongly R areas attached to an overall D district.

18 posted on 11/04/2009 4:51:08 AM PST by altair (All I want for Christmas is NO legislation passed for the rest of the year)
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To: pnh102

At least in NJ it was a strategic loss, not a referendum on conservatism. CA continues to spiral into Marxism. VA is HUGE for conservatives because we actually voted in CONSERVATIVES! All 3! No linguini spined “moderates” or “independants”. That doesn’t send a message to ALL who waver and destroy in Washington?!


19 posted on 11/04/2009 4:57:24 AM PST by albie
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To: Scanian

Bump!


20 posted on 11/04/2009 5:00:14 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

Meanwhile, look for the jobs report on Friday to show that the magic 10% level of unemployment has been breached.

That was breached long ago when they stopped counting those that used up their unemployment benefits.


21 posted on 11/04/2009 5:08:19 AM PST by chainsaw (If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free! -- P.J..)
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22 posted on 11/04/2009 6:29:27 AM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: pnh102
"With regards to the 2 "federal" elections held, both in CA-10 and NY-23, 0bama won. If anything, he'll use that as a mandate to move even further to the left. "



He can use it all he wants, but I do not think that it will fool those "Blue Dog" Democrats who got elected from fairly conservative districts. The notion that Virginia is a bell weather, is not a new idea. The Dems used in in 2008 and several political analysts made the same point leading up to this election.

On the other hand, CA-10 is liberal enough so that no point was made by the Dem victory there. In NY-23, you have an unknown who comes out of nowhere to almost win the race with very little support from the two major parties. (The GOP did throw Hoffman a bone at the end after going "all in" with Dede) As it is, the Dems required her endorsement to put them over the top. This seat is ripe for the taking in 2010 no matter how they spin it.
23 posted on 11/04/2009 6:47:27 AM PST by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: Scanian

This is more than a deathblow. Elections are about how much you can outspend your opponent and this guy in a Democrat corrupt state getting outspent 5 to 1. This is a borderline “miracle.”

Obama is in big trouble and because of his ego this will even be worse. He is going to be more hardened in the coming days and more disliked by the American people because of his policies. He will continue to try to ram rod things through.

In fact, I think Obama is more dangerous now then he was yesterday. He knows he is toast in 2010 during the congressional elections and probably in huge trouble in 2012.


24 posted on 11/04/2009 6:59:17 AM PST by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: Scanian

I am kind of wondering if we are going to see a change in the Dem leadership in Congress in the coming days. Are Nancy an Reid’s days numbered? I hope not. I hope they continue to lead in their leftist agenda. There will be more devastating loses in 2010 if they are in charge.


25 posted on 11/04/2009 7:01:22 AM PST by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: rob777
the Dems required her endorsement to put them over the top

And her remaining on the ballot after dropping out. Obama clearly lost last night and so did Obamacare and crap and trade. The commies and 60's radicals peaked last July, and it has been downhill since then after not being able cram through Obamacare before the August recess.

26 posted on 11/04/2009 10:15:05 AM PST by HerrBlucher
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To: pnh102

CA 10 was NOT a win for Obama. that district is 18% greater in registered Dems than Repubs the rest are decline to state (and there ar 20% of them). That means in a district that is VERY liberal in a state that is bluer than blue, Harmer managed to generate a pretty decent turn out. look Garimendi won mostly on name recognition. He has been around forever (think Willie Brown only stupid).

Harmer was within 10% and that ain’t horrible. The districts have been gerrymander so severely out here that I would NEVER expect to see one party oust another in a district.

NY 23 hell the GOP shot themselves in the head with that one. Just glad that Owens is more conservative than DeDe would have been. Sad that Doug didn’t pull it out


27 posted on 11/04/2009 10:28:33 AM PST by the long march
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