Posted on 11/04/2009 3:36:32 AM PST by markomalley
Dede Scozzafava won't even commit to how long she'll support House Minority Leader John Boehner for speaker. Faced with persistent questions from John McCormack, a conservative young reporter from the Weekly Standard, aimed at discerning her predilection for pulling an Arlen Specter, Scozzafava called the cops. Her press secretary later released an e-mail exchange with McCormack they thought would vindicate their position, only to find that even Daily Kos agrees with the Standard on this dust-up.
This prompted a virtual stampede of conservative bloggers and activists to come forward and demand that Scozzafava drop out of the race. It has sent an even bigger flood of conservatives, both within and outside the district, to support Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman over Scozzafava. A Sienna College poll found that 23 percent of the district's likely voters now intend to cast their ballots for Hoffman, a 7-point jump in two weeks, compared to 29 percent for Scozzafava and 33 percent for Democrat Bill Owens.
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For those who are buying into the Democratic spin that NY-23 was a huge b1tch-slap toward conservatives, remember what we prevented. A RINO who might not even vote for the Republican for speaker. Somebody who would make Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, and even Lincoln Chaffee look conservative.
Had Hoffman not run, she would have surely been elected to Congress. She would have been more the favorite of ABCCBSNBCCNNMSNBCWAPONYT to represent the Republican party, replacing Snowejob, McLame, and Gramnesty as the prime choice for the Sunday Morning talk shows and for prime-time analysis.
Think about it, folks.
Absolutely. Good analysis.
It’s stunning Conservatives were able to garner so much support in only three weeks. It’s a strong indication the Conservative movement is growing despite of the OP(formerly the GOP). The OP candidate, Scozzofava, took votes from the Conservative candidate causing his loss.
Concur. What conservatives accomplished in NY-23 was just short of miraculous. This really bodes ill for RINOS.
The RINOcrat-media complex will go overdrive to paint NY23 as a “repudiation” of the “teabagger Palin crowd”. Watch out for Nyuuut the Grinch pontificating about how only “moderates” have a chance.
It's bad that Hoffman wasn't elected. Electing Scozzofava would have been far worse. At least now the representation in NY23 is honest.
It's disconcerting that voters in a district described as conservative would vote for such a leftist rather than Hoffman. Perhaps they wanted a liberal.
I have posted numerous times how conservatives need to take over the Republican Party from the inside.
NY-23 is a great example where the local, state and national GOP are not aligned with conservative values.
Conservatives tried to force the issue with Hoffman, but we fell short.....just like with Toomey.
We will continue to fall short if running a third choice or imposing a candidate on a district is our only tactic.
Like it or not, we need the political machine as much as it needs us. So far, conservatives have fed the machine, but we were never really allowed to operate the machine.
Conservatism wins when we can explain our positions, not when we throw a choice out there and hope for the best.
Toomey and Hoffman lost their races because they did not have the machine with them.
Toomey and Hoffman also lost their races because conservatives, too often, sit on their asses and don’t vote.
We think that between FR and talk radio, all conservatives are “tuned-in” to what is happening.....they are not.
Many conservatives are just like the average person who gets their news from the TV and can tell you the entire lineup of the the Steelers and Penn State but not who their local representative in Harrisbug is.
Conservatives need to look ourselves in the mirror and admit to some reality.....and stop blaming everybody else for our losses and position within the GOP.
Reagan set the stage for conservatives to infiltrate and take over the GOP. Instead, we sat back and thought we had the power.
Instead, the same moderates who ran the party and blocked Reagan in 1976 were still running the show.
Until we run the show, we will never have the political success we desire. We cannot build a new third-party due to the obstacles involved. The GOP is our home, like it or not.
Our house needs renovating....that’s all.
The cleansing of the Republican Party must continue...
Absolutely. Inspiration is a fine thing, but we can't do everything on a wing and a prayer. That Hoffman could come so close without any machine help is extraordinary. He was a complete cipher 5 weeks ago, last night he almost pulled off a monumental upset. The raw material is there for a conservative resurgence, but we've got to have more organization. This in effect means taking over republican party structures and putting them at the service of conservative candidates.
I think this was good - not excellent. It would have been excellent if Hoffman had won but it still very good in that the message was clear and unequivocal. We either want a conservative or we will take an idiot democrat which we can spend a few years tearing up. The republicans better get the message or 2010 will be a loss again.
Facts are stubborn things. - Ronald Reagan
A RINO retaining a RINO seat. rat...it's the new conservatism!
Let me fix that for you:
That's better
Yea I agree, it’s not all bad. They are going to do this again next year.
A simple observation from last night and today's threads:
Freepers feel that when the Conservative wins it is a message directed to Obama but when the Conservative loses it is not a message to Obama.
Lacks some consistency, doesn't it?
A RINO being prevented from retaining a RINO seat. rat...it's the new conservatism!
Not much of a difference, but actually let me fix that:
A RINO replaced with a rat. rat...it's the new conservatism!
as close to the truth as is possible on this forum...all it's missing is the four letter swears I'd like to post between each word...x@#$ conservative #$X% you're #X%*ing with my children's future.
Did you even read your post before you sent it to me?
It seems there’s a politician out there that made HER way by cleaning out the GOP establishment in her state first, then cleaning out the remaining leftist democRats in her state...
Something that I think could be applied to the country as a whole.
If I understand you correctly, the message these elections should send is to the GOP and not to Obama.
If the GOP runs Conservative candidates the base will support them; if not, they won’t.
And I’d agree with that.
Aside from that, it was an election to select a couple governors and a congressional rep and not much more.
True. He battled both the RNC and DNC mega machines, and came this close to winning. That's very good. He stood on equal ground.
I’m not even sure what side you’re on, but let me put in my 2 cents.
Better that a democRat has the seat than a RINO.
RINOs give the ‘rats “bipartisan” cover so that they don’t have the own the consequences of their policies.
Notice how the ‘rats are reluctant even to pass their decades-old signature issue without bipartisan cover.
If you live in NY-23 and you know any county committee member, precinct person, state party official, or any other party operative who said nice things about Scozzafava, throw them out.
Heck, it’s true nationwide. This is the smell test. You can identify the rotten eggs by their Scozzafava stench.
Yeah I did.
Let me clarify this for you a bit.
Had scuzzyfuzzy been able to win that seat last night (as the NY State GOP and RNC leadership wanted), she would have been intrenched and would have held essentially a lifetime appointment.
As I said upthread, the news media would have feted her: she would be right up there with McLame, Snowe, Collins, and Gramnesty as the GOP Congressweenies most favored for appearances by the MSM in their talk shows, for interviews, etc.
For the next year, she would be held up as the face of the new GOP.
Come the election on 11/2/2009, she would have been the GOP nominee (they always want incumbents to run for re-election, no matter how bad, remember?). And likely would win again...unless a third party spoiler came around that time.
And it is questionable if she would even vote for Boehner for speaker...much less voted with the GOP on any measure...with the possible exception of gun control (and I question even that).
The GOP has another chance now in a mere year. Thanks to Hoffman.
And, to make it a bit better, the GOP nominee will not be selected by out-of-touch party leaders in a "smoke filled room," but through a primary process. Whoever that nominee is, then, may not be everything we want. But at least he will reflect the will of the people and not the will of some party bosses who think they know better.
So yeah..."it's the new conservatism."
The long-term damage that the RAT in RINO clothing, scuzzyfuzzy, could do to the national party and the conservative movement, would far exceed the Dhims having one extra face in the crowd for 12 months.
“What you said” bump... +1
now a rat has an advantage and perhaps a lifetime appointment...glad you're happy.
like I said "rat...it's the new conservatism."
Fine, ignore the point.
Correct - not a huge amount of races - but that time is coming
A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education. - Theodore Roosevelt
Hoffman did extremely well. All across the USofA, elected Republicans will be held accountable. If they are moderate and indecisive especially on Conservative issues, what good are they???
The Arlen Specters of the world will be exposed and eliminated from the public stage. American's are largely conservative and unfortunately gullible.
The ‘value voters’ are NOT revolting they are voting.
Once, I cant follow your point.
I agree with MM that it is much better the Bill Owens-D won as opposed to Dede. The analysis here is 100% correct; as the incumbent Dede-R would have the seat for a long time, and be even worse than Specter on real votes, and then, if House control was in the balance, she could easily flip to D to vote with Pelosi. True, we at FR are disappointed that Hoffman lost but there is certainly a silver lining and why not be positive. There is a good chance that this seat will revert to R under better circumstances.
this analysis is too simplistic, whoever makes it.
i would look at exit polls by a reputable group before saying why we got these results. What is clear is that Obama had no coattails in NJ and that 2 states that went solid for Zero last year switched by 20-25%. It may all be local, esp in NJ.
NY23 is much different. I am disappointed Hoffman lost and do not want to believe that Obamacare was the issue because then Obamacare wins. But although national issues should have played more of a role here, the local politics did throw a monkey wrench into the outcome:
1. Hoffman did not live in the district
2. Dede got many absentee ballot votes
3. dede was pushed off ballot by conservative revolt and this could have easily pissed off true Dede suporters and they stayed home or voted for Owens, whom she endorsed (LOL, Newt and Michael).
“... a district described as conservative.”
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Based on the results of yesterday’s election, clearly an erroneous description.
My observation was without analysis and I cannot disagree with you at all.
What rejoicing freepers fail to mention is the possibility that the residents of NJ and VA were simply fed up with their governors and wanted fresh blood and that this change could be independent of the White House. Corzine wasn’t clean and Deeds wasn’t accomplished or respected from what I would tell. Could those races be just as simple as that?
Would Republicans have voted to retain a governor that they didn’t like simply because a Republica president asked them to? I’d certainly hope not.
Hoffman’s Revolt was more towards the GOP than Obama IMO.
Will the GOP listen? Will they learn or simply placate?
IMO they’ll simply placate but we’ll see soon enough.
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