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Obama Should Take a Lesson From Bush
The Politicizer ^ | 11/2/2009 | Cynthia R. Meyer

Posted on 11/03/2009 8:05:46 AM PST by FMoran

Obama used the War in Afghanistan to get elected. He then announced that the “War on Terror” was “over”. And now, stuck between either keeping his campaign promise or surrendering to his far-left base that is slowly abandoning their support for the war, he is stalling on making clear decisions on Afghanistan (while using the dignified transfer of our fallen soldiers as yet another opening for a photo-op.)

Rapid response. Taking the necessary actions under pressure. Making the right decisions and sticking to them. All of these are qualities a president absolutely needs to have in wartime for the sake of the country, and all of these are qualities our current Commander in Chief lacks.

It is times like these—amidst the utter failures of the Obama administration—that I especially recall the strengths of the Bush presidency. While he may have been unpopular towards the end of his presidency due to the nature of American politics and long wars, he will be remembered as one of the greatest presidents in American history for his perceptive wartime decisions.

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1 posted on 11/03/2009 8:05:46 AM PST by FMoran
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To: FMoran

W made the tough decisions while neglecting politics.

O Bama is the anti-Bush.


2 posted on 11/03/2009 8:07:22 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (A trade: Conservative Anglicans for Liberal Catholics and a heretic to be named later.)
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To: FMoran

The War on Terror isn’t over, it’s taken up residence inside the WH.


3 posted on 11/03/2009 8:08:18 AM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: FMoran
his far-left base that is slowly abandoning their support for the war

Yeah, that far-left base has been enthusiatically supporting the war for about 8 years, huh? It's just recently that they've begun "slowly abandoning" their support.

Not.

4 posted on 11/03/2009 8:08:19 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: FMoran

Obama took lessons from Lenin, Stalin and Castro.


5 posted on 11/03/2009 8:09:46 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: FMoran

He’s voting “present” on Afghanistan.


6 posted on 11/03/2009 8:10:01 AM PST by Graybeard58 ( Selah.)
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To: bgill

“The War on Terror isn’t over, it’s taken up residence inside the WH.”

The truth!


7 posted on 11/03/2009 8:10:45 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: FMoran
"I Feel Like a 20 Dollar Whore on a Saturday Night in New Orleans!

"Willie Isn't Even Returning My Calls!"

8 posted on 11/03/2009 8:11:24 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: FMoran
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9 posted on 11/03/2009 8:16:05 AM PST by Bad Jack Bauer (Fat and Bald? I was BORN fat and bald, thank you very much!)
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To: FMoran
Bush... will be remembered as one of the greatest presidents in American history

No he won't. He'll be "that criminal Bush" insofar as we are allowed to study history at all. Our overlords, whether the Gorons, the muslims, the Demofascists, or the Chicoms, will see to it.

10 posted on 11/03/2009 8:19:55 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( The only historical figure I admire in his present condition is Jesus.)
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To: FMoran

TV ad I would love to see:

ringing red phone in the White House.....nobody answers it

Announcer: “Mr. President, we need more troops in Afghanistan. Mr. President? Mr. President, are you there? Hello?”


11 posted on 11/03/2009 8:23:21 AM PST by EagleClaw
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To: FMoran
From the column:

When the war began losing support of the public because of its length, he did not quit and abandon the cause in fear of dropping poll numbers.

The author left out an important point: the war in Iraq also lost support due to politicized rules of engagement that tied the hands of our troops.

IMO, Dubya will eventually rank as an "average" President. There's no way around the deficits he rang up while rubber stamping pork-laden budgets put on his desk by Congressional Republicans for six of his eight years.

12 posted on 11/03/2009 8:23:52 AM PST by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: FMoran

Just out of curiosity, how often did Bush blame 9-11 on his predessesors? I don’t recall it happening very often, if at all. Yet Barry constantly blames all his problems on Bush.

BHO is a low class, clueless punk.


13 posted on 11/03/2009 8:32:19 AM PST by TruthBeforeAll (To liberals if something is a complete and utter disaster, it's because there's not enough of it.)
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To: TruthBeforeAll

Every time that BO blames his situation on Bush, he is admitting that he is not up to the job that he took on. Obama said that he could fix things by bringing about CHANGE. Well, we have lots of change, but no fix.


14 posted on 11/03/2009 8:35:14 AM PST by Eva (Obama bin Lyin)
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To: FMoran
Rapid response. Taking the necessary actions under pressure. Making the right decisions and sticking to them.

Nah! Too Republican.

15 posted on 11/03/2009 8:53:42 AM PST by oyez ( damnant quod non intelligunt)
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To: EagleClaw

Take it one step further, have a hand come in from off screen, and fumble around with the receiver, and knock it off hook, pan out and show the back of someone rolling back over to go back to sleep....then close up on the receiver, and the voice on the other end pleading for troops.

Makes even more sense, since nobama has heard the call, and is just ignoring it.


16 posted on 11/03/2009 8:58:30 AM PST by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: Jeff Chandler; sickoflibs; rabscuttle385

Yeah he decided to oppose illegal immigration while ignoring the hispandering politics of the situation. Oh wait.

He decided to oppose McCain Feingold on principle even though it was ‘popular’ with the public. Oh wait.

He decided to oppose the bailouts despite enormousness political pressure. Oh wait.

I certainly hope Obama takes a lesson from Bush. That will ensure he won’t be reelected!

We could use a conservative President. Haven’t had a decent one since I was a little kid, man by the name of Reagan.


17 posted on 11/03/2009 9:56:46 AM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
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To: FMoran
It is times like these—amidst the utter failures of the Obama administration—that I especially recall the strengths of the Bush presidency. While he may have been unpopular towards the end of his presidency due to the nature of American politics and long wars, he will be remembered as one of the greatest presidents in American history for his perceptive wartime decisions.

Amen and AMEN!

18 posted on 11/03/2009 10:05:48 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Impy; org.whodat; rabscuttle385; calcowgirl; spyone; dools007; mountainbunny; djsherin; ...
RE :”While he may have been unpopular towards the end of his presidency due to the nature of American politics and long wars, he will be remembered as one of the greatest presidents in American history for his perceptive wartime decisions.

Holy cow! Delusional Bush worship ping. I would correct it

"...one of the worst presidents in American history for his disasterous wartime and economic decisions"

19 posted on 11/03/2009 10:11:17 AM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: Night Hides Not
The ROE in Iraq changed when it became apparent that they were harming our war effort in Iraq.

The lovely leftist lying media and the wimpy Republicans in Congress never told the truth about what started happening in Iraq when the victory began.

None of that is Bush's fault, and history will judge him rightly for what he did to change the course of the war and allow our troops to win it.

20 posted on 11/03/2009 10:11:26 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: sickoflibs

Now that you’re here, I understand that all intelligent discussion of the topic will end unless it circumvents your posts.


21 posted on 11/03/2009 10:13:27 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan; sickoflibs; Impy; org.whodat
Now that you’re here, I understand that all intelligent discussion of the topic will end unless it circumvents your posts.

Bush was the biggest spender since LBJ, the Republican-controlled Congress' role notwithstanding.

Are you going to defend Bush's pathetic economic record, not to mention that most of it was so un-Constitutional that it ain't even funny at all?

22 posted on 11/03/2009 10:19:10 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: Night Hides Not
Bush made a calculated decision to forget about the lesser concerns of a peace-time president when he signed bills he would normally have vetoed because he needed the support of Congress to finance the war. That required every vote. After 9/11 the economy took a back seat to security.

You do know that presidents have to pick their fights, don't you? He chose to give Congress the pork they demanded in exchange for the war on terror.

23 posted on 11/03/2009 10:23:24 AM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: ohioWfan

Since most historians are liberals who one day out of the blue decided that failed pos President Harry Truman was one of the greatest Presidents ever it is indeed possible that one day they’ll decide to look past party and love Bush.

More likely they always hate him for being mean to those poor widdle terrorists in gitmo and cutting the top tax rate.

And conservatives will always hate him for being a big government leftist who destroyed (with mucho help from losers in congress) our first shot at a conservative government since 1929.

Sucks to be him.

Maybe one day he’ll be loved in Iraq. But probably not. I can’t imagine what crap ideas the schools over there are teaching their kids about the US.


24 posted on 11/03/2009 10:27:56 AM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
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To: Deb; Night Hides Not; sickoflibs; Impy; org.whodat; mkjessup; stephenjohnbanker
Bush made a calculated decision to forget about the lesser concerns of a peace-time president when he signed bills he would normally have vetoed because he needed the support of Congress to finance the war. That required every vote. After 9/11 the economy took a back seat to security. You do know that presidents have to pick their fights, don't you? He chose to give Congress the pork they demanded in exchange for the war on terror.

The Republicans controlled Congress from 2000 through the 2006 elections, which means that, according to what you are saying, Bush not only pandered to Democrats and RINOs but felt the need to easily and readily capitulate to their un-Constitutional wishes (talk about a surrender monkey) before joining them.

No excuses, Deb!

25 posted on 11/03/2009 10:28:18 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385
I'm defending the comments about President Bush in the article, rabs.

That's what FR threads are supposed to be about.

Obama needs to emulate Bush's strength in dealing with terrorists. Do you agree with that, or not?

Or do you think Obama is doing a bang up job in dealing with our enemies?

26 posted on 11/03/2009 10:28:53 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Deb

When did sign the massive pork filled farm bill in early 2001 then?


27 posted on 11/03/2009 10:29:02 AM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
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To: Impy; ohioWfan
Maybe one day he’ll be loved in Iraq. But probably not. I can’t imagine what crap ideas the schools over there are teaching their kids about the US.

Is McKinley loved in the Philippines?

28 posted on 11/03/2009 10:29:07 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: ohioWfan

You must not visit many threads. Few soley the discuss the news article. Nor should they. The conversation always gets expanded.


29 posted on 11/03/2009 10:30:41 AM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
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To: ohioWfan; sickoflibs; Impy
Obama needs to emulate Bush's strength in dealing with terrorists.

Strength?! What strength?

The perception of "strength" began to melt the day that "Infinite Justice" was renamed "Enduring Freedom" and Bush decided to pursue a politically correct war instead of detonating nuclear weapons on the mountains in Afghanistan where the al-Qaeda/Taliban terrorists were congregating.

What was left of the "strength" fully vanished after the wimpy reaction to the Fallujah incident in which U.S. contractors were roasted alive, with their corpses dragged through the streets and then hung from the city's bridges.

No, ohioWfan, much as you would like to believe, Bush was, at best, hamstrung by politically-correct weakling advisors, in which I would question his choice of advisors and his willingness to surround himself with the correct type of people, and at worst, a politically-correct weakling himself.

30 posted on 11/03/2009 10:34:39 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385

Hehe.

I would guess most Filinos today have never heard of him.

But if they do learn about him in school it’s probably in a negative context.


31 posted on 11/03/2009 10:36:40 AM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
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To: Impy
Actually, President Bush knows enough about history to know that what is currently being written is not what will be written in the long run. Present day "historians" are all liberals, but that won't necessarily always be the case, and in any case, there WILL be accurate histories written of the Bush years.

As for conservatives always "hating" him, that sure doesn't say much for those conservatives..... a small minority relative to the number of conservatives out there. Almost everyone I deal with is a conservative, and no one "hates" him. Most disagree with some of what he did. But most respect him. (I wouldn't be so sure that the hatred you see here is coming from actual conservatives).

And actually, it doesn't 'suck to be him.' He's content that he did what he could to protect America. He has a loving family, and a deep faith, and is working hard to continue to make a positive difference in this world. And he's speaking to thousands upon thousands of people who very much respect him.

He also has the political savvy to know that political popularity is fleeting. That's never been what he's been about, and that's what drives his enemies off the deep end.

32 posted on 11/03/2009 10:37:52 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: rabscuttle385
As usual, you can't write a post without talking rubbish and exposing your warped sense of reality.

Pinging the demented flying monkeys to swarm the thread doesn't make you any more credible or rational.

33 posted on 11/03/2009 10:38:24 AM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Impy

I visit thousands of threads. And yes, there are BDS’ers on many who bring the discussion way off topic so they can vent.


34 posted on 11/03/2009 10:39:05 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Whatever.


35 posted on 11/03/2009 10:40:31 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: FMoran
It is times like these—amidst the utter failures of the Obama administration—that I especially recall the strengths of the Bush presidency.

Isn't that the truth.

36 posted on 11/03/2009 10:40:54 AM PST by jersey117
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RE :”Now that you’re here, I understand that all intelligent discussion of the topic will end unless it circumvents your posts.

What discussion? You mean whether or not GWB is the greatest president in history? Sure, right up there with Pres Carter. No, No, Bush is 'Gulf of Tomkin' President Johnson who left Nixon a mess!

37 posted on 11/03/2009 10:41:10 AM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: Deb; Night Hides Not; sickoflibs; Impy; org.whodat; mkjessup; stephenjohnbanker
As usual, you can't write a post without talking rubbish and exposing your warped sense of reality.

The only one with a warped sense of reality is you, Baghdad Deb, for attempting to defend what is otherwise indefensible.

Oh, and Impy, read Baghdad Deb's profile: she's got Truman quotes up there!

38 posted on 11/03/2009 10:41:38 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: sickoflibs; Impy

I was in the navy for 21 years, and I was near Baghdad, in the Triangle of Death, in a marine infantry battalion, Sept. 2004-Mar. ‘05. While I was there, I never complained about American presence in Iraq. After I returned to the U.S., I’ve heard many people who haven’t served, in the military, complain about the war.

I dislike Bush because he was too liberal. His budgets increased spending more than Clinton’s. He said that he was pro-life, but he signed a few bills that gave money to Planned Parenthood and the World Health Organization so they could perform more abortions. He signed the No Child Left Behind Act and the presciption drug bill, which violate the 10th Amendment.


39 posted on 11/03/2009 10:42:51 AM PST by PhilCollins
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To: ohioWfan; sickoflibs; Impy
Whatever.

Conceding so quickly in the face of a factual rebuttal, eh, ohioWfan?

40 posted on 11/03/2009 10:43:10 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: ohioWfan

Too blinded by party loyalty to call a spade a spade.

If he was exactly the same except a democrat instead of a Republican President then 99% of conservatives would say that was a crappy incompetent leftist President who did a couple good things in appointing good judges and cutting taxes.


41 posted on 11/03/2009 10:43:24 AM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
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To: rabscuttle385
I'm not conceding. I'm ignoring.

Were there any facts, I would have debated them. There was nothing but anti-Bush propaganda which deserved a "whatever" in response.

42 posted on 11/03/2009 10:45:45 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Impy
That's nonsense. The first farm bill Bush was responsible for was for fiscal year 2002 and it wasn't even introduced until December 2001.

Keep distorting and lying...its easier to keep the hate alive.

43 posted on 11/03/2009 10:46:29 AM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: rabscuttle385
The perception of "strength" began to melt the day that "Infinite Justice" was renamed "Enduring Freedom" and Bush decided to pursue a politically correct war instead of detonating nuclear weapons on the mountains in Afghanistan where the al-Qaeda/Taliban terrorists were congregating.

You need serious help.

44 posted on 11/03/2009 10:46:48 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: rabscuttle385
detonating nuclear weapons on the mountains in Afghanistan where the al-Qaeda/Taliban terrorists were congregating.

Glad you will never be POTUS....or even close to a POTUS.

I can though buy you a clue.....if you would like.

45 posted on 11/03/2009 10:49:11 AM PST by Osage Orange (Obama's a self-made man who worships his own creator...............)
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To: Impy
Too blinded by party loyalty to call a spade a spade.

Funny. It's your fall back insult, isn't it?

I've been part of getting rid of RINO's and replacing them with conservatives. We've stopped giving to the RNC and give only to conservative candidates.

Unless you come up with a better insult, you lose, Impy.

Conclusion, since you rabid BDS'ers can't discuss ANYTHING without personally attacking anyone who supports him, I will confine any comments to those who do not personally insult me in their posts.

You're already off the list, Impy.

46 posted on 11/03/2009 10:51:41 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan; sickoflibs; Impy
There was nothing but anti-Bush propaganda which deserved a "whatever" in response.

Anti-Bush propaganda?

The only propaganda spouted was the scare-tactics and fear rhetoric from the Bush administration and other neo-cons and war hawks preaching about Saddam's non-existent "weapons of mass destruction."

If you want to fight politically correct, conventional wars against guerillas and kooks in the mountains, don't be surprised when U.S. forces are still engaged there fifty years (or more) later, assuming that the U.S. still exists as a sovereign nation at that point, barring its assimilation into or transmogrification into a world government.

47 posted on 11/03/2009 10:52:51 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: ohioWfan; Impy
you rabid BDS'ers

When all else fails, just call your opponent deranged!

48 posted on 11/03/2009 10:53:51 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: Lakeshark; sickoflibs; Impy
You need serious help.

Why? For not wanting to pursue politically correct wars?

49 posted on 11/03/2009 10:55:10 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385

I just quoted some pretty deranged words of yours. I’d say she has a pretty good case.


50 posted on 11/03/2009 10:55:51 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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