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Monty Python stars threaten legal action against Chris Christie
The Telegraph ^ | 11/2/2009 | Alex Spillius

Posted on 11/03/2009 5:06:23 AM PST by markomalley

Michael Palin and Terry Jones have complained that Chris Christie, the Republican candidate for the New Jersey governorship, used clips from a Monty Python sketch in a campaign advertisement.

Mr Christie, who hopes to unseat his Democratic rival Jon Corzine as governor in an election on Tuesday, removed the video from his website and YouTube page hours after complaints from Michael Palin and Terry Jones.

The offending advertisement featured Palin in a vintage Monty Python's Flying Circus piece as a television presenter asking viewers if they had ever suffered from déjà vu and then repeating the question several times. Mr Christie's commercial, which was aired on numerous occasions, drew parallels with his rival's repeated attempts to impose higher motorway tariffs.

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Republicans have an established record of upsetting liberally inclined entertainers by using their material without consent. Earlier this year the singer Jackson Browne won an undisclosed financial settlement from Senator John McCain for his use of the song Running on Empty during his failed 2008 presidential bid.

Tom Petty threatened to sue George W Bush if he refused to stop using his song I Won't Back Down in 2000, while Bruce Springsteen refused to allow Ronald Reagan to play Born in the USA during his 1984 re-election campaign.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: chrischristie; copyright; michaelpalin
So pay the license fees quietly...

But it is good to see the libs scream.

1 posted on 11/03/2009 5:06:23 AM PST by markomalley
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To: markomalley

The other Palin.


2 posted on 11/03/2009 5:07:06 AM PST by SolidWood (Sarah Palin: "Only dead fish go with the flow!")
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To: markomalley

3 posted on 11/03/2009 5:10:07 AM PST by Bobalu (I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: markomalley
Michael Palin and Terry Jones have complained that Chris Christie, the Republican candidate for the New Jersey governorship, used clips from a Monty Python sketch in a campaign advertisement.

And now, for something completely different.



4 posted on 11/03/2009 5:10:12 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: markomalley
So pay the license fees quietly...But it is good to see the libs scream.

See: Rush, using "My City was Gone" from The Pretenders.

Sounds like a great mechanism for leveraging certain demographics.

5 posted on 11/03/2009 5:11:37 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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To: Condor51

Bottom line is he should have gotten permission to use the skit first. I’m thinking he didn’t. Still hope he wins though!


6 posted on 11/03/2009 5:12:32 AM PST by Tuxedo (The seeds of the next Revolution are sown....)
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To: markomalley

They should be grateful for the exposure - How many new voters have never even heard of Monty Python?


7 posted on 11/03/2009 5:13:30 AM PST by ElayneJ
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To: SolidWood
I caught the Python's bemoaning about this on maddcows show. I love these guys, but is anyone really surprised by their reaction. Pretty liberal, and definatly anti-Bush.

I'm afraid I'm not personally qualified to confuse cats, but I can recommend an extremely good service.

8 posted on 11/03/2009 5:14:37 AM PST by MotorCityBuck (Page 73, Johnson, Navin)
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To: markomalley

Has a lib politician ever been subjected to this? I don’t recall any.


9 posted on 11/03/2009 5:16:22 AM PST by doodad
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To: markomalley
And now you must bring us.............a shrubery!

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10 posted on 11/03/2009 5:16:27 AM PST by Delta 21 (If you cant tell if I'm being sarcastic...maybe I'm not.)
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To: Delta 21

We apoligize for that.

Know full well that the person responsible was sacked!


11 posted on 11/03/2009 5:17:57 AM PST by Delta 21 (If you cant tell if I'm being sarcastic...maybe I'm not.)
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To: Tuxedo
*** Bottom line is he should have gotten permission to use the skit first. I’m thinking he didn’t. ***

Yeah seems like he didn't. And politics aside, that's pretty dumb for anyone to do. And a politician with all his people should definitely know better.

12 posted on 11/03/2009 5:18:03 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Condor51

Is it required? If ones shows something for profit, yes. If one shows something in its entirety, yes. But a tiny clip? Used as a parody of a political opponent?

I’m not a lawyer, but it seems like there ought to be a case for ‘fair use’...


13 posted on 11/03/2009 5:21:20 AM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: markomalley

“Republicans have an established record of upsetting liberally inclined entertainers by using their material without consent.”

No, liberal politicians get a pass from entertainers.


14 posted on 11/03/2009 5:24:46 AM PST by DBrow (Thank You Al Gore You Saved Earth!)
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To: markomalley
So pay the license fees quietly...

On the other hand, make a big deal of paying the license fees, and then announce that the advertising team responsible has been sacked and replaced by Ralph the Wonder Llama.

It'll show he has a sense of humor and a sense of fair play.

15 posted on 11/03/2009 5:25:56 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (Achtung. preparen zie fur die obamahopenchangen.)
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To: Delta 21
We apoligize for that.

Know full well that the person responsible was sacked!

No doubt the responsible person's last day working for the Christie campaign will be today. He will turn in his campaign car keys, laptop, cell phone and credit card -- and begin to prepare for 2010.

16 posted on 11/03/2009 5:26:36 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: markomalley

Christie should have licensed the footage.

He should pay the penalties now.

He should also win the governorship in NJ.


17 posted on 11/03/2009 5:27:00 AM PST by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: Mr Rogers

Fair use is for editorial or research, not advertising. I’m not a fan of libs, but if it was my work, I’d object to a Rat using it to try and get elected.


18 posted on 11/03/2009 5:27:48 AM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Don’t you know it burns their butt to know that’s Rush’s “theme song”?


19 posted on 11/03/2009 5:29:41 AM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: Mr Rogers
I’m not a lawyer, but it seems like there ought to be a case for ‘fair use’...

17 USC § 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include —

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.

He was using the work commercially...in an advertisement...so I don't think it could be claimed that it was for criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research.

Like I said, he should have gotten somebody to license the work from their publisher and then used it legally.

20 posted on 11/03/2009 5:30:38 AM PST by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: MortMan

fair use.


21 posted on 11/03/2009 5:30:53 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Richard Kimball

I guess I think of political advertisements as a form of editorial. If they were hawking a car to make cash, I’d understand the concern.

And since politicians WRITE the laws, they usually extend themselves every possible courtesy!


22 posted on 11/03/2009 5:31:56 AM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: markomalley
So pay the license fees quietly...

But it is good to see the libs scream.

It was absolutely delicious when Heart was screaming about "Barracuda" and had no legal recourse because the license fees had been paid. I still laugh at them every time I hear the song. I'm smiling just thinking about it.

23 posted on 11/03/2009 5:31:58 AM PST by nina0113
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To: markomalley

fair use for political speech.

this is just left wingers protecting themselves for their hollyweird sycophants.


24 posted on 11/03/2009 5:32:46 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Mr Rogers
*** I’m not a lawyer, but it seems like there ought to be a case for ‘fair use’... ***

Copyright Laws like any law passed by our ijits is complicated and "Fair Use" is limited. But if they consulted a Copyright Lawyer first, it could have been resolved pdq (Yes or No).

The rights of Copyright owners, like say for Photographers have expanded over the past 30 years. A 'Model Release Form' isn't even required any more. If done at all, its just a 'feel good' measure.

25 posted on 11/03/2009 5:34:12 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: autumnraine
Don’t you know it burns their butt to know that’s Rush’s “theme song”?

Yes Ma'am.

That's why I used it as the ultimate example.

26 posted on 11/03/2009 5:35:08 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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To: markomalley
What petty, small minded, ingrates. I love these guys, but come on, it's a friggin Python skit from how many years ago?

It's these asinine liberals who love to hate people who love the wisdom to support the Idea Of America. Come to think of it, this is only news because the LIBERAL SELFISH reporter thought it would hurt the republican candidate.

27 posted on 11/03/2009 5:36:59 AM PST by sirchtruth (Gravity Of The Situation...)
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To: doodad
Has a lib politician ever been subjected to this? I don’t recall any.

That's because it's exceedingly rare, for obvious reasons. I can think of exactly ONE. And this one is strange b/c IIRC, Sam and Dave ALSO made Bob Dole stop using "Soul/Dole Man."

Sam Moore tells Obama to stop using his song.
28 posted on 11/03/2009 5:41:20 AM PST by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: sirchtruth
Dear Sir,
I wish to complain in the strongest possible terms about the characterization of Mssrs. Palin and Jones as "small minded ingrates." Many of my best friends are small minded ingrates and only a few of them are English educated, occasionally humorous, formerly entertaining, hyper-sensitive, litigious marxists.

Yours faithfully,

Brigadier Sir Charles Arthur Strong (Mrs).

P.S. I have never sued a Republican gubernatorial candidate for the unauthorised use of 40 year old comedy sketch in a campaign advert.

29 posted on 11/03/2009 5:44:39 AM PST by Oratam
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To: markomalley

I hate to say this, but the Pubs should just KNOW this by now. Get permission before you use it!! They invariably, always get their undies in a bunch!


30 posted on 11/03/2009 5:44:52 AM PST by swatbuznik
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To: Delta 21

In order to receive permission to use our material, any conservative must first chop down the tallest tree in the forest with,......

a herring!

31 posted on 11/03/2009 5:46:57 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: autumnraine; ROCKLOBSTER
That's why Rush chose it. He also pays the proper royalties for using it, so there's nothing they can complain about.

Well first of all I'd like to apologize for the behaviour of certain of my colleagues you may have seen earlier, but they are from broken homes, circus families and so on and they are in no way representative of the new modern improved Republican Party. They are a small vociferous minority; and may I take this opportunity of emphasizing that there is no cannibalism in the Republican Party. Absolutely none, and when I say none, I mean there is a certain amount, more than we are prepared to admit, but all new campaign workers are warned that if they wake up in the morning and find any toothmarks at all anywhere on their bodies, they're to tell me immediately so that I can immediately take every measure to hush the whole thing up. - Michael "Palin" Steele

32 posted on 11/03/2009 6:07:18 AM PST by altair (All I want for Christmas is NO legislation passed for the rest of the year)
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To: Oratam
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ARTHUR: So?...

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33 posted on 11/03/2009 6:16:09 AM PST by sirchtruth (Gravity Of The Situation...)
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To: sirchtruth
I love these guys, but come on, it's a friggin Python skit from how many years ago?

About 40 years ago.

34 posted on 11/03/2009 6:18:10 AM PST by altair (All I want for Christmas is NO legislation passed for the rest of the year)
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To: markomalley
"Heart" attacked Sarah Palin for using the song "Barracuda" at her rallies.

Yet George Lucas never filed any attacks against Obama for his campaign's use of "Star Wars" footage to defeat Hillary in the democrat primary. Did "The Sopranos" agents attack Hillary for using their theme to promote her campaign?

It's amazing to see the masks come off these damn ugly and hypocritical celebreties whenever a pro-American candidate uses pop culture in advertising.

On the other hand, the democrats are allowed to do whatever they want however they want.

35 posted on 11/03/2009 6:20:40 AM PST by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: The_Victor

It


36 posted on 11/03/2009 6:22:04 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: altair
I seem to remember that the members of the Pretenders who were upset about Rush using their song didn't own the rights to it. The people who owned the rights didn't mind. Rush is paying them. Should be a lesson to performers from numerous court cases before and after the band came on the scene about how important getting and keeping the rights to their work can be.

I'll have to side with the Pythons on this one. His campaign should have checked before using the clip.

37 posted on 11/03/2009 6:23:34 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: longtermmemmory

It may be fair use. If it is not, the candidate should responsibly handle any penalties. If so, the pythons should stuff it. :-)


38 posted on 11/03/2009 6:31:57 AM PST by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult; longtermmemmory
I'll have to side with the Pythons on this one. His campaign should have checked before using the clip.

As do I. It's not fair use. 40 years is a very long time for copyrights to apply, but that's not the way the law reads in this country right now and they should obey the law.

It's all the more sad. That sketch is perfect for a campaign ad.

39 posted on 11/03/2009 6:39:34 AM PST by altair (All I want for Christmas is NO legislation passed for the rest of the year)
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To: Bobalu

My Brain Hurts !

40 posted on 11/03/2009 6:39:44 AM PST by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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