Marine Leads 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Fight

newsmax.com ^ | 11/2/09 | Rowan Scarborough

[Bulldawg Fan]

Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James T. Conway has emerged in internal Pentagon deliberations as the most outspoken opponent of permitting gay men and women to serve openly in the U.S. military, according to a former senior Pentagon official.

Most of the senior brass hold deep reservations about President Obama's pledge to end the ban on gays in the military, especially in the middle of two wars that have put extra stress on the military, down to the platoon level, where soldiers and Marines would be expected to bond with openly gay colleagues.

But Gen. Conway has gone further than others in stating his opposition to a change in policy, according to the former official, who has been privy to private conversations on the matter. "He feels very strongly that [removing the ban] would be disruptive, and he opposes it," said the former official.

[Bulldawg Fan]

God bless him. This is a "fall on your sword" issue that the service Chiefs and Senior Enlisted Men need to fight to the finish. Resist the challenge from the anti military Obamaites and stand tall doing it. The American people are with you.

[demshateGod]

This is how the 5th Column wins. It wasn’t long ago Sodomites were banned outright. Now we’re arguing in favor of a policy Clinton enacted.

[Irisshlass]

Do you really think gays will go into combat? lol

[lt.america]

This is going to be interesting to watch. Former Marine Corps Commandant, now National Security Adviser, Jim Jones is all on board for repealing don't ask don't tell (drank the Obama Kool Aid).

Current Commandant, who has respect of all Marines is saying this is stupid. Trust me, this is not the first finger in the eye of General Jones from General Conway and will not be the last.

[Frantzie]

Thank former Marine Judge David O. Carter for helping Obam and his bosses the Saudis destroy America.

[demshateGod]

The one who was lusting after the boys when they were laying in bed next to each other, destroying morale, and may have occasioned the deaths of all three.

[demshateGod]

Oh Please, God, a coupe would be nice.

[Impy]

Would they have a choice? When ordered into combat you go into combat. Right?

[444Flyer]

“Marines of Conscience or Homosexual Marines”

http://www.thebutter-cutter.com/Marines_of_Conscience_or_Ho.php

“...First of all, it is Pub.L. 103-160 (10 U.S.C. § 654) that precludes homosexuals from serving openly in the Marine Corps as well as the other Services. The, so called, policy of “Don’t ask. Don’t tell” is an Executive Order signed by President Clinton in 1993 to stop the Marine Corps from asking people at the time of enlistment if they were homosexual. In so doing, homosexuals are able to enter the Marine Corps, receive expensive training—such as Arabic language training—and, then, declare their homosexuality and leave the Corps without punishment for falsifying their enlistment as was previously the case. This policy also serves as a way for heterosexual Marines to exit the Corps early by declaring that they are homosexuals. Should Mr. Obama keep his campaign promise to homosexuals and eliminate the policy of “Don’t ask. Don’t tell,” he would plug up this loophole of “easy out.” The larger threat to Marines of conscience is Pub.L. 103-160 (10 U.S.C. § 654) and there is a current effort to have that law repealed by the U.S. Congress...”

“...Service in the U. S. Marine Corps requires the loss of many liberties that civilians enjoy; especially, the right of association. Individual Marines cannot choose who their leaders will be or with whom they will work and live. It is beyond governmental authority to force these Americans into situations that compromise their morals. The Selective Training & Service Act of 1940 permits the granting of Conscientious Objector status to “One who by reason of religious training and belief is conscientiously opposed to participation in war.” Little known is: People v. Stewart, 7 Cal. 143, “Conscientious Scruple. A conscientious scruple against . . . doing military duty, or the like is an objection or repugnance growing out of the fact that the person believes the thing demanded of him is morally wrong, his conscience being the sole guide to his decision . . . ” (Black’s Law Dictionary). This “Conscientious Scruple” provision appears to give Marines of conscience a legal remedy for a morally compromising situation of serving under or with Marine homosexuals. Moreover, since there are evidently more persons of conscience in our society than homosexuals, the pool of potential recruits for the current all-volunteer Marine Corps will be reduced.”

[MaxMax]

Friendly Fire could be a problem. Maybe they will purposefully fail the range evaluation,
after all, someone needs to clean the latrines and stock the toilet paper.

You couldn't imagine how far they will take this issue, for example if there's
a Republican in the WH they will accuse him/her of killing gays and try for
impeachment on grounds of a hate crime. Crazy? Not these days.

[Godwin1]

This is the same selfish, ambitious, careerist hack that allowed his men to be prosecuted for killing the enemy. He was playing to the liberal audience then, he is now. Never in its history has the Corps had such uninspired, cowardly leadership. What the “leaders” have done to Col. Chessani is a scandal. And not ONE general officer had the courage to speak out when the corrupt, swollen, phony Rep. Murtha publicly condemned brave Marines for war crimes they did not commit. These people have destroyed the Corps for a generation. Perhaps forever.

[ansel12]

This is how the 5th Column wins. It wasn’t long ago Sodomites were banned outright. Now we’re arguing in favor of a policy Clinton enacted.

One of those fifth columnists is trying to takeover the Republican party and in fact may get one of his handpicked people into the California Governor's house.

"One issue I want to clarify concerns President Clinton’s “don’t ask, don’t tell, don’t pursue” military policy. I believe that the Clinton compromise was a step in the right direction. I am also convinced that it is the first of a number of steps that will ultimately lead to gays and lesbians being able to serve openly and honestly in our nation’s military. That goal will only be reached when preventing discrimination against gays and lesbians is a mainstream concern, which is a goal we share."
Sincerely, W. Mitt Romney

[444Flyer]

General Conway, stick by your guns Sir.

[444Flyer]

Ping

[Amos the Prophet]

The one in the middle

[MaxMax]

I believe it's not about combat, it's about perverting the Military and
bringing moral down just out of antiwar spite.

See, if a gay can state he's gay up front in boot camp the drill Sergeant
cannot properly train the faggot out of fear of being arrested for a hate crime.
It just cannot work. Fags should be booted out of all our military with
a dishonorable discharge. No exceptions!

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[paddles]

What “hack” are you talking about?

[Markos33]

Agreed.

[jonascord]

Which one was "gay"?

The obsessive-compulsive one, who put his lust for male genitalia before duty. The one who identified itself by it's confused sexual desires, rather than it's DNA tags. The one who spent all of it's efforts and attention on fantasies about getting sodomized, or fellatio, or satisfying some obscure lust in the shower, rather than the survival of it's fellow soldiers.

Just because a deeply disturbed child/man can function, after a fashion, in a military unit in peacetime, and is protected by a civilian system that promotes pyscho-sexual "experiments" does not make that experiment intelligent or acceptable in a military, life and death atmosphere.

Hot Flash to the pantywaist MaxMax: soldiering means learning about killing, and training to avoid being killed, not some popular, trendy social civilian wish-fulfullment Petrie dish about some sexual Utopian, guilt free dream world.

[tutstar]

Bump

[MaxMax]

Watch your language and grow up. I think your missing the message or reading it wrong.

[MaxMax]

BTW, the correct answer to the question should be "None".

/Salute

[Jacquerie]

I think your missing the message or reading it wrong.

The message is that there is no constitutional right, natural right or any other kind of feel-good "right" to serve in our armed forces. Our military is not a petri dish for Leftist experimentation.

[jonascord]

If you are politically correct, you are required to use NewThink and be 'nonjudgmental'. You should accept that gayness is, at worst, "quaint" and if you are properly brainwashed, should be able to watch two men sexually satisfying each other in the middle of the street in front of your children and feel smug about how "understanding" you are...

Are you so naive that you believe that you should be so overawed by a dead body that you can't be judgmental? Draping a flag over a coffin doesn't negate evil. Did a flag on Drunken Ted Kennedy's box do anything for Mary Jo?

[MaxMax]

That is a strong point to be made in the Media, should they choose to discuss it.

The Left is still fighting on the basis that the minority "of their choosing"
should have more rights than a majority, including being above the laws and rules
that us normal people must follow, again of their choosing.

America is waking up once again and Conservatism must prevail to correct
all that is corrupt if we as a free nation are to be "remain" free.

/Salute

[MaxMax]

I refuse to allow you to draw me into a malaise argument (SP) over ideals and supposition.
We both have a disdain over the Photo op in Dover, but don;t throw me
in the river because I post a toon that's meant to be controversial, in our favor btw.

We can deliberate your grievances without the personal attacks.
Again, you are taking it wrong, IMO.

[Cvengr]

Instead of condemning the homosexuals, perhaps it is better for every person in a position of authority who advocates such a position be slaughtered in combat by their adversaries, then their families be subjected to slavery for several generations with undue remorse. Then a just adjudicator will address how to make recompense for the evil perpetrated by those advocating homosexuality.

[fr_freak]

The one who was lusting after the boys when they were laying in bed next to each other, destroying morale, and may have occasioned the deaths of all three.

Exactly. That ridiculous cartoon is the epitome of emotional arguments over reasoned ones.

[gidget7]

Oh please. You picture and question has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

[presently no screen name]

Another RINO RAT heard from! Thanks for posting it.

[MaxMax]

We are in two wars and the left only cares about Fags in the military being open.
I think the pic speaks volumes about their concern for our troops.

[manc]

he joins with 99% of all military.

having served unlike most of the left wing nuts then I know of not one person who is for open homo’s in the military

[Beamreach]

My god man, when you -freely chose to Join the military, you give up your rights- and live under the uniform code of military justice....please read up on it and stop making your self look like a leftis......(unless thats your goal)

[MaxMax]

What are you talking about?

[Albion Wilde]

When my husband was drafted into the Army to go to Vietnam, the Marine sergeants who participated in his unit’s training behaved as if any man who wasn’t a Marine was a homosexual. Especially the married guys. LOL!!

[Beamreach]

just google uniform code of military justice

[MaxMax]

I made a mistake, I ripped that pic from a google search thinking it was
something other than what was intended. It's from a pro gay site!

Good grief, someone shoot me.. Damn I hate it when I get to lazy to check
the sites where some of these pics come from, and their intended meanings.

Sorry about that. Now I understand what the problem is with the pic.
I misinterpreted its intended meaning.

My apologies to all Freepers and our Military.

[Harley]

It’s almost guaranteed that if Obama does this and eliminates the Don’t Ask Don’t Tell Policy, the next thing will be a push to allow gay service people to marry. Can you imagine the kind of problems this will create?

[fwdude]

Let’s see the gaystapo try to harass or intimidate a marine. I’d really like to see it.

[jonascord]

It's real easy to get suckered. (No Pun)

The military is the last place homosexual behaviors should be permitted let alone tolerated. Naturally, it's a favorite fetish of the gay subculture. If you have a VERY STONG stomach, google "gay uniform."

Personally, I'm for putting gays out in front of actual soldiers to sweep for mines by stomping, if they are so hot to enlist... Remember it's all volunteer now, so no one is forcing them, except their own fetishes.

[70times7]

Seriously, you didn't get the point of that cartoon? regardless of where it was from?

Have a mod yank that chunk of garbage.

[TankerKC]

Do you really think gays will go into combat? lol

Do you really think that some haven't already? lol

[MaxMax]

Have a mod yank that chunk of garbage.

Consider it done. I missed it, and I learned a mew lesson about due diligence.

[MaxMax]

er, New.

[TankerKC]

I missed it, and I learned a mew lesson about due diligence.

Due diligence? What the heck did you think the cartoon meant?

[ExpatGator]

The loser who drew the cartoon?

[MaxMax]

I thought it was a snipe at the hard left for making this an issue while we
are fighting two wars and our troops are dying.