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Public school nurses give swine flu vaccine to kids without parents' OK, sends child to hospital
New York Daily News.com ^ | 10-30-09 | Ben Chapman and Rachel Monahan

Posted on 11/02/2009 10:37:59 AM PST by 444Flyer

School nurses mistakenly gave the swine flu vaccine to two students who didn't sign up for it - including a Brooklyn girl with epilepsy who wound up in the hospital.

"I was outraged," Naomi Troy, 26, told the Daily News after her 6-year-old daughter, Nikiyah Torres-Pierre, had a possible allergic reaction to the shot.

Officials at Public School 335 in Crown Heights called an ambulance to take Nikiyah to SUNY Downstate Medical Center when she fell ill following the arm jab.

"My stomach was hurting, and I was itching," Nikiyah said after she was released from the hospital.

The snafu and a similar mixup at a Staten Island school came in the first days of the city's in-school H1N1 vaccination program.

City officials have stressed the vaccine is safe and urged parents to sign up for it - though less than half have sent in permission slips.

Troy was waiting for advice from her family doctor on whether Nikiyah should get the shot since she takes medicine to control her epilepsy.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: arth; brooklyn; child; flu; fluvaccine; h1n1; hospital; influenza; kids; newyork; newyorkcity; nurses; nyc; parents; ps335; public; school; swineflu; swinefluvaccine; vaccine
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"I was outraged," Naomi Troy, 26, told the Daily News after her 6-year-old daughter, Nikiyah Torres-Pierre, had a possible allergic reaction to the shot.
1 posted on 11/02/2009 10:38:00 AM PST by 444Flyer
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To: DvdMom

Ping


2 posted on 11/02/2009 10:40:25 AM PST by 444Flyer ("Permission to engage the enemy Sir! " " Permission denied." (Under CIC Obamao.))
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To: 444Flyer

Bet the trial lawyers are lining up at their door for this one.


3 posted on 11/02/2009 10:41:09 AM PST by Mr. Jazzy ("I AM JIM THOMPSON and moderates make me PUKE!!!")
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To: 444Flyer
Liberals are acting like “true believers” when it comes to this shot... odd.
4 posted on 11/02/2009 10:42:45 AM PST by GOPJ (When I was a child Halloween wasn't a celebration of evil - but a celebration of standing up to evil)
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To: 444Flyer

SOB! I hope this child is okay and I will pray for recovery.

This mother should initiate a suit and hold the district, the city, the county, state and the nurse insolido.

After that some one should be...


5 posted on 11/02/2009 10:46:12 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: 444Flyer

Naomi sniffs an opportunity to make big bucks from a lawsuit. This is a crock. The mother had put in an inquiry to the girl’s doctor as to whether she should have it. The answer hadn’t come back yet, but would surely have been yes — epilepsy is not a contraindiction to the shot, and kids attending huge urban public schools, and riding public transit to and from school are at high risk for catching this flu — and the girl would have gotten the shot anyway. The photo looks very posed, and there’s no indication in the article that the girl suffered any ill effects — she was promptly released from the hospital, where she was apparently only taken as a precaution, and mom isn’t mentioning any medication or follow-up care that’s been prescribed.


6 posted on 11/02/2009 10:46:52 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: 444Flyer

Well here is one way to expand the vaccine testing population.


7 posted on 11/02/2009 10:48:57 AM PST by C210N (A patriot for a Conservative Renaissance!)
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To: 444Flyer
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Her outrage is understandable. Here's a new site from Dr. Mercola (holistic physician) on everything swine: Link
8 posted on 11/02/2009 10:51:23 AM PST by mlizzy ("It is impossible to walk rapidly and be unhappy" --Mother Teresa of Calcutta.)
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To: 444Flyer

A young friend of ours had her family inoculated on Friday, at a local clinic. The eighteen month old baby now has a bad case of the flu with a croupy cough that kept both the baby and mother up all night. This time last year, the baby was hospitalized with a croupy cough that was associated with the flu.


9 posted on 11/02/2009 10:51:56 AM PST by Eva (Obama bin Lyin)
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To: 444Flyer

I have really never thought schools should be giving any kind of medicine or shots or anything else. I know when I taught HS there were kids who went to the school RECEPTIONIST to get their meds. That just seemed plain old dumb. I would much prefer the onus to be on the parent if something goes wrong.


10 posted on 11/02/2009 10:52:05 AM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

kids are at high risk for catching any number of the 15 strains of flu that show up each year.

Anyway, if the mortality rate for this flu is less than others (less than 1 percent of hospitalized case) why take goo in your arm, of something that has no proven efficacy or predictable side effects?

The cure could be worse


11 posted on 11/02/2009 10:53:08 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: brytlea

Look, we’re talking about a public school in Crown Heights here. Half the kids don’t even get FED at home.


12 posted on 11/02/2009 10:54:26 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Smokin' Joe

you might want to ping the list to this new article , thanks :)


13 posted on 11/02/2009 10:57:19 AM PST by DvdMom (Freeper Smokin' Joe does the freeper Avian / H1N1 Ping List)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Naomi sniffs an opportunity to make big bucks from a lawsuit. This is a crock.

that doesn't matter... she did not give permission... the girl should not have received the shot... SUE, SUE, SUE!!!!!

14 posted on 11/02/2009 10:57:20 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
“...Officials at Public School 335 in Crown Heights called an ambulance to take Nikiyah to SUNY Downstate Medical Center when she fell ill following the arm jab.”

So the ones who could be sued called an ambulance for no apparent reason?

There is a bigger point here. A Government worker/Public school employee gave a child with a pre-existing health condition a vaccine with unknown side effects against the wishes of her parent. That alone leaves the guilty open to litigation. And how can you question the motives of the parent based on the picture taken of she and her child?

15 posted on 11/02/2009 10:57:21 AM PST by 444Flyer ("Permission to engage the enemy Sir! " " Permission denied." (Under CIC Obamao.))
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To: 444Flyer

If someone injected my six year old without my permission, I would be very irritated.


16 posted on 11/02/2009 10:59:17 AM PST by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: Scythian

ping...


17 posted on 11/02/2009 11:00:06 AM PST by DvdMom (Freeper Smokin' Joe does the freeper Avian / H1N1 Ping List)
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To: Eva
I got the swine flu vaccination last Wednesday and have been sick ever since. Fatigue, congestion and painfully sore throat.

First time I ever got the flu shot and probably the last.

18 posted on 11/02/2009 11:00:06 AM PST by jerri (Is it over yet?)
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Don’t they know? The only thing they don’t have to tell parents about is abortion. Oh, the kid is allergic to anesthesia? Sorry ‘bout that.


19 posted on 11/02/2009 11:01:28 AM PST by Godwin1
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To: Eva
A young friend of ours had her family inoculated on Friday, at a local clinic. The eighteen month old baby now has a bad case of the flu with a croupy cough that kept both the baby and mother up all night. This time last year, the baby was hospitalized with a croupy cough that was associated with the flu.

What to do? What did the doctor say regarding the 18-month-old being sick now? If I had little ones, I'd be in a quandary over all of this. Mine are older and it's ultimately up to them whether they take the shot or not (provided they can even find one!) Our neighboring high school had over 900 kids out sick (flu, swine flu, and bronchitis), yet, they have no immunizations available to take for those who want them in the area.
20 posted on 11/02/2009 11:02:19 AM PST by mlizzy ("It is impossible to walk rapidly and be unhappy" --Mother Teresa of Calcutta.)
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To: Mr. Jazzy
If she has an aversion to eggs,I.E.,allergic to chicken eggs, which is an integral part of the process of which they are made,the flu shot could have serious consequences.
I would speculate that not many parents have been asked if their children were allergic to eggs,or anything to do with a chicken.
My last two trips to the VA,when they asked if I would like a shot,I declined.The Secretaries also declined to have the shots.Many health care workers will so as not to spill the apple cart,but many wont.
A shot for me who is allergic to chickens and egg embryos,would kill me.
I learned that in the early seventies in BOOT CAMP!
I believe it is a strain of a flu that chicken noodle soup and an aspirin could cure.
The statistics show how many have died,yet they do not show what the average of deaths over the years from the common flu.I believe it is below many of our other scare swine flu.
21 posted on 11/02/2009 11:05:30 AM PST by xarmydog
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To: jerri
I got the swine flu vaccination last Wednesday and have been sick ever since. Fatigue, congestion and painfully sore throat. First time I ever got the flu shot and probably the last.

Sorry you don't feel very well. What did your doctor give you for the sore throat and other symptoms? Did you get the shot with thimerosal (mercury-based preservative) or without?
22 posted on 11/02/2009 11:07:16 AM PST by mlizzy ("It is impossible to walk rapidly and be unhappy" --Mother Teresa of Calcutta.)
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To: Vendome

Obviously the mother was planning to have the girl get the vaccination unless her doctor nixed it, or she wouldn’t have put in the inquiry to the doctor.


23 posted on 11/02/2009 11:10:46 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: jerri
I had a Tetanus booster a couple years back that nearly put me in the hospital. My Doc ruled it as one of two things, either a Staph infection (they treated it with antibiotics just in case) at the inoculation site (I received the shot at a clinic as I needed it over the weekend) or a massive allergic reaction to the shot itself. Either way they warned me never to have another Tetanus booster because if it was indeed an allergic reaction, my next exposure could be worse or even deadly.

When you instruct someone NOT to give you a shot let alone your child, it is serious business. Especially in the case of a pre-existing condition.

24 posted on 11/02/2009 11:11:42 AM PST by 444Flyer ("Permission to engage the enemy Sir! " " Permission denied." (Under CIC Obamao.))
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To: mlizzy
What did your doctor give you for the sore throat and other symptoms? Did you get the shot with thimerosal (mercury-based preservative) or without?

It did not contain thimerosal. I got the shot at the Kaiser clinic and haven't contacted my doctor about it. I have been taking Nyquil and using nasal spray.

25 posted on 11/02/2009 11:13:12 AM PST by jerri (Is it over yet?)
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To: mlizzy

Bookmark bump! Thanks! ;-)


26 posted on 11/02/2009 11:13:55 AM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: brytlea
I would much prefer the onus to be on the parent if something goes wrong.

I think the receptionist "giving" medication means (usually at least!) cases in which the kid is on prescription medication to be taken throughout the day -- the parents can either keep the kid home or give the appropriate number of doses and instructions to the school.

27 posted on 11/02/2009 11:15:22 AM PST by maryz
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To: GovernmentShrinker; All

I agree with everyone else on this GS.....Every FReepers here has bitched and moaned about public schools letting girls have birth control and abortions with out parents consent or even knowing about it. When I was a kid we needed a permission slip for everything...even field trips. Parents are still in control and if this mom does not sue, it means a loss of power from parents to schools, whom are thinking they are the parents and not the mom and dad.

I do not know if the child was affected....I too have epilepsy, and only have my allergy and asthma doctor give my shots. He knows all the meds I am on, so I trust that he would know that I should or should not take the flu/H1N1 shot.


28 posted on 11/02/2009 11:15:55 AM PST by Morgana (zero, Harry, Nancy, Only three of them, against the rest of us! Don't forget that America!)
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To: jerri
I got the swine flu vaccination last Wednesday and have been sick ever since.

You didn't get the flu from the shot.
29 posted on 11/02/2009 11:18:05 AM PST by mysterio
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To: Mr. Jazzy

Bet the trial lawyers are lining up at their door for this one.*****

Just on the negligence factor, without real damages we’re looking at 7 figures. Actually the parents risk a danger in bringing a suit in NYC. A judge might rule for the city on the grounds that the child was better off getting the flu shot. Seeing as Bloomberg is creating a fascist nanny state in NYC I would not be surprised if he directs his Corporation Counsel to zealously defend the city and offer no settlement, hoping to get a favorable nanny ruling.


30 posted on 11/02/2009 11:18:44 AM PST by xkaydet65
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To: Morgana

So you think your generation was protect at school? ... HAh! When I was riding the school bus, my older brother regularly brought his rifle to school on the bus, with a 50 round box of ammo for Rifle Team practice. Of course, we lived in Tennessee, Alvin York’s state.


31 posted on 11/02/2009 11:21:16 AM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Obviously the mother was planning to have the girl get the vaccination unless her doctor nixed it, or she wouldn’t have put in the inquiry to the doctor.

Was there a permission slip on file from the parent to allow the child to be inoculated?

No?

Then it doesn't matter what some internet poster guesses the mother's intentions were. No permission slip, no shot. How hard should that be to follow?

With the handle "Government Shrinker" I would have thought you'd be a little more upset at a government worker overstepping their authority.

32 posted on 11/02/2009 11:21:39 AM PST by ksen (Don't steal. The government hates the competition. - sign on Ron Paul's desk)
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To: 444Flyer

i’m still trying to figure out how the girl got her last name.


33 posted on 11/02/2009 11:23:46 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: MHGinTN

Rifle? HAHAHAHA We brought shotguns!!!! tee hee tee hee!!!

No we did not...but I heard of kids who did. I heard of a gun club in West Virginia that the boy brought shotguns and held them in the Principal’s office till it was time to shoot. Those were the days!!!


34 posted on 11/02/2009 11:24:25 AM PST by Morgana (zero, Harry, Nancy, Only three of them, against the rest of us! Don't forget that America!)
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To: maryz

Yes, that’s exactly what it was, however if something goes wrong, I think the parent should be there. I know it is an inconvenience, however the kids don’t belong to the school, and the school has no business medicating them. The receptionist had no medical training. Of course, teachers are also mandated to do things we are not trained to do. And if we get it wrong, we are in BIG TROUBLE.


35 posted on 11/02/2009 11:25:35 AM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: 444Flyer

Why schools should NOT be clinics for convenience!!


36 posted on 11/02/2009 11:31:15 AM PST by ~Kim4VRWC's~ (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: brytlea

Schools should stick to teaching.


37 posted on 11/02/2009 11:32:30 AM PST by Cheryllynn
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To: Cheryllynn

I agree. When a non-medical professional is handing out medications (or overseeing injections) for large numbers of kids there are bound to be mistakes made.


38 posted on 11/02/2009 11:35:45 AM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: xkaydet65; Mr. Jazzy

Vaccines are immune from lawsuits. (pun intended)


39 posted on 11/02/2009 11:36:17 AM PST by khnyny (Too much power in too few hands is never a good thing.)
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To: mlizzy

Wonder if she got the shot which is supposely safe for kids that age or if she went with the easier nasal one that is not safe for kids under the age of 6yo? The nasal one is a live virus the shot isn’t.


40 posted on 11/02/2009 11:37:52 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: Cheryllynn

Simple and sweet.

More often than not—they are babysitting kids, refuse to enforce rules and demand discipline, and trying to be a ‘free’ healthcare clinic...


41 posted on 11/02/2009 11:38:24 AM PST by ~Kim4VRWC's~ (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: mysterio
I got the swine flu vaccination last Wednesday and have been sick ever since.

You didn't get the flu from the shot.

The symptoms that I have are included in the possible side-effects from the vaccine. Whether it's coincidence or not I can't say.

42 posted on 11/02/2009 11:38:58 AM PST by jerri (Is it over yet?)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Troy was waiting for advice from her family doctor on whether Nikiyah should get the shot since she takes medicine to control her epilepsy.

What she intended to do or actually would have done cannot be determined.  In any case, no one was given permission by the parent to inject their daughter with goo.

 


43 posted on 11/02/2009 11:45:04 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
So you think it is ok for the School to administer shots to children whose parents have not given permission for the shot? What if this had been a case of a severe allergic reaction? Would you still take such as idiotic attitude?

I don't care if the children they gave the shot to illegally(and it is illegal)had reactions or not, I would sue for violation of my, and my child's, civil rights.

44 posted on 11/02/2009 11:46:29 AM PST by calex59 (We want our constitution back, and we will get it back.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

They get plenty of FED at home.


45 posted on 11/02/2009 11:51:57 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Mr. Jazzy
Bet the trial lawyers are lining up at their door for this one.

In this case I wouldn't blame the family for going for the gold. I'd have my kid's college education paid for, giving her a shot without my permission in a non-emergency situation.

46 posted on 11/02/2009 12:01:23 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: jerri; mysterio

A PRO- Vaccine PEDI Nurse’s child got the swine flu from the flu-mist vaccine ..............

Nov 01, 2009No: 436060

H1N1 flumist disaster!
by pedinurse05

Nov 01, 2009 03:12 PM - Hello everyone,
I posted on this topic before but just want our experience to be shared. My 2 daughters were both vaccinated using the live flumist. The next day the youngest developed a high fever and sore throat. This continued over the next few days but she also became achy with a bad cough and wheezing in the lungs. I took her to the pediatrician 3 days after the vaccination where she took nasal samples to be checked for H1N1. Her examination was consistent with H1N1 and especially with the proximity of the vaccination. She and I both feel she got the the flu from the flumist. Even though the printed material says you can’t get it from the vaccination—my doctor confirmed you can and may pass it on to immunocompromised people. It is rare to have this happen though. Being a pediatric nurse myself, I am typically for an ounce of prevention HOWEVER I have definitely second guessed this H1N1 flumist! My daughter is currently on 2 antibiotics, tamiflu, and albuterol. With that said, I certainly would take this (even though it is terrible) over the full strength virus...but ultimately i think the killed virus injection is safest. This is mild in some but I can see where it is definitely a deadly virus to others—especially the children.

Just a side note—my kids are home schooled and we had been in no contact with anyone sick in the past month. I am on leave of absence and did not bring anything home from work. This is why we are so suspicious of the flumist—next day 24 hours later flu symptoms set into full swing. My oldest daughter had no problems. My post is just to raise awareness and inform others of our experience. Yes, I wish I had waited and used the injection—but I still would have vaccinated. This experience only has shown me how serious this is—and I’m still pro-vaccination just not pro flumist:)

Take care everyone and let’s hope this passes soon!

H1N1 flumist disaster! - http://allnurses.com/showthread.php?t=436060


47 posted on 11/02/2009 12:21:29 PM PST by DvdMom (Freeper Smokin' Joe does the freeper Avian / H1N1 Ping List)
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To: 444Flyer

Black, White, or Yellow, this is unacceptable! No permission, no shot! SUE!


48 posted on 11/02/2009 12:25:02 PM PST by shiva
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To: jerri
Did you get the shot or the nasal spray? It sounds like you got the full case of the flu from the inoculation, whichever type it was.

Just think all the people who get the flu from the inoculation can also spread the flu.

49 posted on 11/02/2009 12:27:44 PM PST by Eva (Obama bin Lyin)
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To: jerri
Having the flu for a week isn't a possible side effect of the shot.

One of two scenarios have occurred here.

1. The shot takes two weeks to achieve full immunity. Assuming you have the actual flu, it is likely you caught it from someone in the days before the shot, as the incubation time for the flu is a couple days. This is the case in most of the instances where people think they have gotten the flu from the shot. And in many of those cases, the "flu" they think they have is a cold or a stomach virus.

2. You got the flu from dead virus components. This is as possible as a working automobile spontaneously forming from car components in a junk yard with not human intervention in the process. in other words, it's unpossible.

I know I can be a bit wonkish on the vaccine issue, and I genuinely hope that you feel better soon. But it seems like everyone knows someone who "got the flu from the shot." Approximately zero of them actually did.

Anyway, I've gone on ad nauseum, so feel better soon and be vigilant about treating any secondary infection you might experience. No need to tolerate a nasty cough for weeks after.
50 posted on 11/02/2009 12:42:24 PM PST by mysterio
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