But meth is cool, ain't it?
Posted on 10/30/2009 8:13:53 PM PDT by bogusname
A chief drugs tsar was sacked last night for claiming cannabis, Ecstasy and LSD are less dangerous than alcohol and cigarettes. Professor David Nutt was fired after Home Secretary Alan Johnson decided he had 'no confidence' in him following his controversial remarks...
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He needs to come to America ‘Zero’ would find a place on his cabinet for him I am sure!
LOL Yes, he’d fit right in with the Obama administration.
A lot of freepers are going to agree... okay scare quotes around “lot”
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“Most controversially, Professor Nutt said all drugs, including alcohol and tobacco, should be ranked by a ‘harm’ index - with drinking coming fifth behind cocaine, heroin, barbiturates, and methadone.”
IMHO, that ranking sounds about right.
Hmm, I think that sounds reasonable too.
I don’t rank them anything but bad for me, bad for me, bad for me, and bad for me although.....
Well, MDMA (ecstasy)may stay in your body for a long time, if not forever. Alcohol stays in your body for a very short time. There are also a lot of indications that it is neurotoxic. And it may cause Parkinson’s later in life. Sure, scientists don’t know everything about it, but do you want to take a chance?
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I’ve never heard or had a hangover from cannabis.....but, then again, what was the question?
LOL, sorry like I missed that man..I was taking a hit from my bong.
Professor David “Nutt”? For real?
I’d side with him on pot, but the other two things are flirting with the kind of permanent trouble that is very difficult to get from one bottle of wine.
Czar, csar, tzar, or tsar?
I agree. Even the Bible recommends drinking wine at certain times for your health. I don’t think dropping acid has ever done anyone any good. LOL
The English use colour for color and honour for honor. I dunno. I guess they invented the language so us Americans just have to accept they’re right. LOL
At one time in recent antiquity (how’s that for an oxymoron) acid was being used as a facilitator in insight-based psychotherapy. It prolly messed up at least as many minds as it helped clarify.
It didn’t do much for Leary, that’s for sure.
I wanna party with that guy.
LOL Whoa, Leary is in hell and the Tsar hasn’t got a job so his stash is running low. Which one were you talking about? : )
IMHO, that ranking sounds about right.
Can't say for sure, because I haven't done most of them.
I'll have to leave the decision to experts like you and the Professor.
A shrink for 20 years, board certified and all that, and I gotta say I agree here.
Only meth competes with alcohol, in my experience: the percentage of lives ruined per user is probably higher for meth, but even so the total societal devastation of alcohol is still far worse. And give me a good old-fashion heroin addict on a methadone maintenance program over these two any day for life span and their long-term potential contribution to society.
Only substances that have a propensity to become daily habits for extended time spans even make my radar these days.
I seldom talk to anyone who’s done more than a dozen trips on acid or other hallucinogens, but even so, the only decent study of heavy users I know of (>500 trips, if I recall correctly) showed no deficits on a sophisticated battery of tests, but did show a slight improvement in detecting subtle differentiations in color hue and in emotional content displayed on human faces. I’ve also seldom seen anyone, despite working in some fairly drug-intense environments through the years, who has used Ecstacy more than a dozen times, and no appreciable psychiatric aftermath.
I’m not a fan of daily or occasional marijuana use, especially because of its inhibitory effects on emotional maturation, but even the totality of its effects are simply not in the same league with the health and mental health consequences of alcohol.
Anyway, I thought some insights from the front lines might shed some informed light on this guy’s statement, however stupid he was for saying it publicly in his position. :)
Before it was a street drug called “ecstasy,” MDMA was called “empathy” by psychotherapists. Many of them still believe that it has at least enough therapeutic potential to warrant further study. But over the objections of the medical community, the DEA and Congress in the mid-80s declared it a Schedule I drug, making further research all but impossible.
We don't have to accept Jack Squat from John Bull, linguistically speaking. Noah Webster declared independence a long time ago.
In other words, that which is accepted and most commonly used likewise is the most common cause for problems. That has to be accurate and I’m sure you’re right. That was a great post! Thanks for the input Doc.
Well Ok. lol
But meth is cool, ain't it?
“Can’t say for sure, because I haven’t done most of them.”
You don’t need to use them, to observe the harm each can do. There’s plenty of evidence out in the streets.
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