Meet your Waterloo, Obama:
Posted on 10/30/2009 8:04:26 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
OCTOBER 29--A federal judge today dismissed a lawsuit brought by individuals claiming that Barack Obama was born in Kenya and, as a result, does not meet the qualifications to be president.
Along with bouncing the lawsuit, U.S. District Court Judge David Carter eviscerated the controversial lawyer representing the "birthers" who sued Obama. In a 30-page order filed today, Carter stated that he was "deeply concerned" that attorney Orly Taitz "may have suborned perjury through witnesses she intended to bring before this court."
Carter, who was appointed to the federal bench in 1998 by President Bill Clinton, noted that he had received "several sworn affidavits" showing that Taitz "asked potential witnesses" to lie under oath. The judge also contended that Taitz engaged in "improper and unethical" conduct by encouraging her supporters to phone and write him in an "attempt to influence this Court's decision."
Carter's order, an excerpt of which you'll find below, does not indicate whether Taitz would face any administrative sanctions for her behavior, or whether the perjury allegations were being reviewed by prosecutors.
Because there were rules requiring you to present one for those things. There is no rule requiring a President submit one.
"It is amazing the lengths to which this President is going to to keep his hidden."
But he hasn't. He made it available and photos were posted on the internet.
“Carter, who was appointed to the federal bench in 1998 by President Bill Clinton”
Says it all.
But I believe there are OTHER, more fruitful cases going forward on the Kenyan (?) Fraud.
How hard is it to simply order “Defendant must present his birth certificate”!? That’s all that really matters - it will sink or exonerate 0bama!
And those “photos” have since been discredited as being photoshopped forgeries, and very poor forgeries at that.
Even the state of HI can’t remember even issuing a COLB to Ozero. They would not say it was the real thing.
A Constitution without a government; a government without a Constitution.
he presented a forged certificates of live birth,
which is different than a birth certificate in the first place
when you know the facts, its harder to have people lie to you
(not directed at mlo)
David O. Carter was a marine once. Now he is Hussein’s little b**ch.
Carter has no honor.
You're entitled to believe what you wish to believe, but you're not entitled to your own facts...
STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO, OCT 31, 2008
STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D., July 27, 2009
It is amazing how some people can refuse to accept something, anything, that contradicts their prejudice.
Both of you prepare to be maligned.
Neither one of those refer to the COLB that was presented online.
I did not read in her statement that she issued the COLB that is displayed on the internet. She did not endorse it. What facts are you reading?
Without getting into the merits (or lack thereof) of the case, perhaps the plaintiff's attorney shouldn't have behaved unethically (by trying to present perjured testimony and improper ex parte contacts with the court), thereby giving the judge a basis on which to toss the lawsuit?
You mean this Certification of Live Birth?
Yep, you make a good point. Clearly, Barack Obama and his minions went to the trouble of fraudulently creating an Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth because it would be too troubling to mail the $15 to the state have them send him a certified copy - a copy that no less than three official HI state representatives have said - while acting in their official capacity - clearly exists. Yep, that makes all the sense in the world, it has too be fake, just has to be.
When did stupidity and kooky conspiracy theories become en vougue in the conservative movement? I thought that was the provenance of left-wing, dope smoking, peace symblol wearing, Hollywood celebutards.
This makes two judges she’s ticked off...who’s next?
Scalia?
See post #18 just above, it's applicable to you too.
So when you have to present a vital document, it’s sufficient to get a statement from someone claiming that they have seen this document? Can I do this with say, my driver’s license?
Ah if believing could only make it come true...
He has more honor than you'll ever have.
Maybe something on the official document ( the daddy perhaps ? ) does not match his “official “ story ? To clear all this up he doesn’t even have top spend the $15 for a copy. Just the cost of a stamp to mail a letter authorizing the release of the COLB to anyone who requests i. Why not do that. Supposedly h has already released it.
I could cite for you at least 50 different state laws, and dozens of federal laws that specify what kind of identification you have to present, and when you have to present it.
Show me in the US Code, or the US Constitution where a President must show his Birth Certificate. It would also be helpful if you, as the Constitutional scholar you seem to be, tell me precisely to whom this birth certificate should be shown.
He did do it. His campaign made the COLB available for inspection by members of the media. Read upthread, you'll find the link.
Honor is doing the right thing even if nobody likes it. Carter came up short in this department. Sorry.
I don't know if I have ever read a such a short paragraph with so many inaccuracies. Fukino's statement isn't hearsay. It's not anything more than it represents itself to be, a public deceleration from a state employee acting in her official capacity and official state letterhead.
State documents aren't "an exception to the HS rule", they are prima facie evidence. And, according to the Federal Rules of Evidence, they're presumptively authenticate.
Oh yes, the media are excellent forensic experts. He "made" the "presented" copy available. By waiving his right to privacy, the media could request one directly from Hawaii- therefore forgoing any question of authenticity.
Meet your Waterloo, Obama:
I don’t believe everything that comes out of Hawaii. I guess I should huh? Sun Yat Sin had a COLB from Hawaii but he was born in China. Lots of people have COLBs that don’t mean squat. Apparently, you believe squat when delivered by Democrats from Hawaii. She also ruled that he was a “natural born” citizen. You believe that too? The courts have not said much on that issue. If she ruled it, it must be a fact??? Really.
The courts do not want to be involved in this and have taken a two pronged attack - if you filed suit before the inauguration, you had no standing because no harm had been done to you. If your filed suit after the inauguration, you have no standing because your suit wasn’t timely, and there is no constitutional provision for the courts to remove a sitting president - it may only be done through impeachment.
28 posts and no one has mentioned the real value of Carter’s decision. Go to www.naturalborncitizen@wordpress.com. Leo Donofrio nails the fact that in his opinion Judge Carter roadmapped the proper course of action which is a quo warranto proceeding before the District Court of D.C.
In his excellent blog, he also has dealt with the Hawaiian officials’ statements which are more political than factual.
Finally, someone admit its. And, people wonder why Obama won't "waive his right to privacy" and release it. No matter what Obama releases, no matter how it's corroborated by state officials acting in their official capacity, the crazy Birthers won't believe it. That is why he yanks their/your chains.
Your post 29 is total bovine excrement `OldDeckHand’.
For a noob going on four months, you can compress a lot of invective, insults and nonsense into one thread.
I’ve wondered why there are so many obnoxious Obamanauts here lately on this issue, and it suddenly came to me—that’s lefty MO and freepers must be over the target.
No they haven't. Some completely unqualified internet crackpot posted such a theory, but it was just a gibberish filled rant.
CORRECTION: Donofrio’s blog is www.naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com. Mea culpa.
That's a lame excuse.
Finally, I admitted that the nonsense coming out of Hawaii does not pass the smell test. You did not comment on her “natural born” ruling. Or, did you just swallow that.
No, there is no evidence it is forged, and Hawaii has confirmed they maintain the underlying records.
"which is different than a birth certificate in the first place"
No, it is a birth certificate. It's just the form Hawaii issues.
"when you know the facts, its harder to have people lie to you"
Precisely why I keep posting to correct misinformation.
We need to start a massive movement to get orly on fox,
and as many other radio stations as possible.
GIANT PETITION TO FOX
So what are the legal shortcomings of his decision?
Prove it. Show me where you're right citing FRCP and FRE. People like you, whose only experience in in court is watching Perry Mason, say things that border on retarded. And yet, when someone points out the stupidity of your comments, you don't point to facts, you just lob insults.
Here's a hint, Google "Proving an official record" and FRCP and let me know what you come up with.
And, while you're at it, show me where Barack Obama has to show his birth certificate. Cite the law.
If he was born in HI, and she says he was and the documents are on file to prove it, then he is a natural born citizen. It's as simple as that.
What? John Glenn had honor. Then, he decided he would be a democrat and cover for Bill Clinton. Honor is something you are consistent with. Someone who takes the oath to protect and defend the Constitution, when presented the opportunity will rush to it’s defense. We thought of all the oath takers, Carter might be up to the task. He was not.
There is no court ruling on what constitutes natural born except the one that says born of natural born parents on American soil. You have just said that he qualifies under that definition, because she said so. By reasoning then, his father was a natural born US citizen, then BHO is a natural born citizen. Great work, you have solved the puzzle. I was apparently deceived into thinking he was a Kenyan. He must have had another father or the Kenyan was really born in Kansas?
Court Judge David Carter is a Clinton hoe kisser so
it doesn’t come as a surprise.
No, I said he qualifies because he was born in HI. I couldn't care less about the legal opinion of a civil servant, who's a physician, no less.
I haven't seen a single, credible legal scholar make a reasoned case that Obama - if a citizen at birth by virtue of his Hawaiian birth - does not meet the eligibility requirements prescribed in the USC. Not one. And, I've looked.
Although, I have seen PLENTY of self-proclaimed attorneys of no reputation and with internet blogs (who always seem to have a "contribute here" Paypal button), make all kinds of representations that he wouldn't qualify, even if he was born in HI. In fact, at least one lawsuit was brought. No court found the argument compelling, to include the US Supreme Court.
If you can cite a contrary opinion, that has been published in a law review by a Constitutional scholar, please post it as I'd love to read a well reasoned argument for this case. But, the internet blogings of attorneys with questionable CVs, don't impress me.
Really, which one would that be? Please cite it.
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