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Willing to give up blue skies for climate fix?
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Posted on 10/30/2009 6:21:18 AM PDT by boughtwithaprice

We can probably engineer Earth's climate to cool the planet, scientists say, but are we willing to live with the downsides? Those could include creating more droughts, more ozone holes and, oh yeah, a thin cloud layer that obscures blue skies and gives astronomers fits.

With potential negatives like that it's no wonder that "geoengineering," as the technique is called, has few hardcore advocates.

Instead, a growing cadre of scientists is asking whether it should be a "Plan B" in case emissions of greenhouse gases aren't reduced in time to head off major consequences. Story continues below ↓advertisement | your ad here

Experts gathered Friday at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology were discussing just that at a seminar called "Engineering a Cooler Earth: Can We Do It? Should We Try?"

Two key geoengineering approaches have surfaced: removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, and reflecting the Sun's rays away from Earth.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climate; globalwarming; science; weird

1 posted on 10/30/2009 6:21:19 AM PDT by boughtwithaprice
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To: boughtwithaprice

I never knew what blue skies were until I moved from Cleveland.


2 posted on 10/30/2009 6:23:35 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: boughtwithaprice

Talk about chemtrails. Global Warming is pure nonsense, I’m amazed there is an entire industry booming around a fairy tale ...


3 posted on 10/30/2009 6:25:32 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: boughtwithaprice

Figures that this comes from MSNBC. The premise is totally wrong (of course), the fix sounds like something a bimbo F-grade idiot like Pelosi would come up with.

Those idiots cannot even get a cash for clunkers right. They start messing with this and there will be a war. Hey Obamaloon and associated idiots: leave science to those of us who actually understand it.


4 posted on 10/30/2009 6:26:09 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: boughtwithaprice
So far, Obama has encouraged us to take the blue pill, rather than the red pill. Many people have commented that this is language that carries echoes from "The Matrix".

Now, the Global Warming hoaxers are basically suggesting that we scorch the sky to save ourselves. Again, from "The Matrix":

This is the world they are making for us.

5 posted on 10/30/2009 6:29:36 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: Scythian

It started snowing here three days ago, a month earlier than usual. Global warming? Are these people serious? Right now the weatherman is telling me that we have partly cloudy skies, but I’m looking out the window, and it’s snowing.

These people can’t even predict the weather one day ahead. Why do they think they can predict the climate of the world?


6 posted on 10/30/2009 6:32:04 AM PDT by Skenderbej
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To: boughtwithaprice

Oh, for crying out loud. Those scientist need to leave the weather alone and work on something like a square watermellon, or grass that doesn’t ever need mowing. Something important.


7 posted on 10/30/2009 6:32:07 AM PDT by healy61
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To: boughtwithaprice
Imagine Obummer and the ‘rats creating nuclear winter on a hunch and lining their own pockets in the process - It's like porkulus for the environment.
8 posted on 10/30/2009 6:32:26 AM PDT by varyouga (2 natural disasters, zerO action. Obama doesn't care about white people!)
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To: Scythian
I’m amazed there is an entire industry booming around a fairy tale ...

If you tell a lie enough times people start to believe it. I think that is what is at work here. The amazing part is so many still believe it after record cold last winter, record cold this past summer and most recently, a huge October snow storm that just buried Wyoming and Colorado......

9 posted on 10/30/2009 6:33:09 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: boughtwithaprice

This reminds me of when doctors used to “bleed” people to get the disease out of the body. Given the complexity of nature, I’m sure their are loads of unintended consequences.


10 posted on 10/30/2009 6:40:52 AM PDT by Flightdeck (Go Longhorns)
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To: nascarnation
I saw the title, and I was reminded of Pink Floyd's "Wish you were here"

So, so you think you can tell Heaven from Hell, blue skies from pain. ...

If we ever implement this plan, it will be pain.

11 posted on 10/30/2009 6:42:10 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: Thermalseeker
The amazing part is so many still believe it after record cold last winter, record cold this past summer and most recently, a huge October snow storm that just buried Wyoming and Colorado

Keep in mind that these are the same people championing socialism, even though it failed over and over and over and over .....again.

I think they have issues in the frontal lobes.
12 posted on 10/30/2009 6:42:53 AM PDT by chrisser (Tweet not, lest ye a twit be.)
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To: nascarnation

I know what you mean, though I usually apply the “I never knew” prefix to looking at stars. (You can’t see any stars at night in or around NYC.)

However...one beautiful summer’s day (not too hot, not too humid) two years ago, I looked up at the sky here on Long Island, and it was such a deep blue, it was almost purple. I pointed it out to the friends I was with, and the whole lot of us stood there looking up like a bunch of wackos for about 5 minutes.

I won’t ever forget that color; it was amazing, and I was very surprised to see it so close to NYC. Heck, I was surprised to see it at all!

Regards,


13 posted on 10/30/2009 6:48:38 AM PDT by VermiciousKnid (Grab your gun and bring in the cat.)
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To: boughtwithaprice

These idiots should be looking into how to warm the planet. CO2 won’t cut it. Neither will methane. Frankly, it’s probably not doable.

Why warm the planet? Because the sun is still way too quiet. Winter has hit hard and early in many places. This is going to be a monstrously bad one. If the sun doesn’t wake up soon, it’s going to be a cold wet summer with severe implications for crops. And the next winter will make this one look like a weekend at the beach.


14 posted on 10/30/2009 6:48:50 AM PDT by piytar (This tag deleted by the Ministry of Truth. Love Big Brother. Or else!)
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To: kosciusko51

“Goodbye Blue Sky” would be more appropriate.


15 posted on 10/30/2009 6:49:38 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: boughtwithaprice

These people are going to kill off a lot of people with their idiotic schemes.


16 posted on 10/30/2009 6:51:51 AM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com .... I am a rogue nobody. One of millions.)
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To: chrisser
I think they have issues in the frontal lobes.

LOL! Yeah, like voids where there ought to be brain matter.

I need to have some bumper stickers made up that say:

"Hey, Al. If we get any more Global Warming we'll all freeze to death!"

17 posted on 10/30/2009 6:54:16 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: piytar

We can’t warm the planet on a timetable even if we wanted to.


18 posted on 10/30/2009 6:55:12 AM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com .... I am a rogue nobody. One of millions.)
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To: nascarnation

I just wanted to mention that that purple sky I saw was NOT at sunset. It was during the day at about 2:00 pm.

I’m sure there’s some intrepid physics major FReeper out there who could tell me how that could happen during the middle of the day...and I’d love to know.

Regards,


19 posted on 10/30/2009 6:55:14 AM PDT by VermiciousKnid (Grab your gun and bring in the cat.)
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To: VermiciousKnid

Everyone in NYC will see the stars when the lights go out and just before the rioting and looting starts.

ever read “Nightfall” by Isaac Asimov?


20 posted on 10/30/2009 6:56:27 AM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com .... I am a rogue nobody. One of millions.)
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To: dfwgator

You are right. I had forgotten about that Pink Floyd song. I guess I thought of “Wish you were here” since I hear that one more often.


21 posted on 10/30/2009 6:56:46 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: GeronL
But they’ve done so well already, killing people with their DDT ban has been one of the most fantastic successes ever, yet we never hear about it...wonder why.
22 posted on 10/30/2009 6:59:00 AM PDT by pepperdog (As Israel goes, so goes America!)
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To: piytar
Winter has hit hard and early in many places.

Yep. We had an unusually cool summer, too. We had lows in the low 50's in July. Normally, it would be in the low 70's. We had our first two killing frosts here in SE Tennessee about a month earlier than normal. I'm pissed and I want reparations from Algore. I'm missing out on nearly a month's worth of fresh okra. Instead, I'm stacking extra fire wood.....just not quite the same as a plate of fresh fried okra.....

23 posted on 10/30/2009 6:59:39 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: boughtwithaprice
a thin cloud layer that obscures blue skies and gives astronomers fits.

If anyone wishes to experience this ..... they need only visit China - 10 days straight of no sun, gray skies, just yuck!

24 posted on 10/30/2009 7:00:21 AM PDT by Momto2 ("By perseverance the snail reached the ark." Charles Spurgeon)
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To: boughtwithaprice
'Blues Skies'?
When I was growing up in Chicago during the 50's and 60's we rarely had 'Blue Skies'. Even on a cloudless day.

There were two exceptions:

  1. In the Summer after a major Thunder and Lightening Storm. The air was so clean then you could smell the ozone from the lightening.

  2. In Winter, the day after a MAJOR Snow Storm. Then the sky was really Blue. The downside was that temp always dropped to 0oF or -10oF.
Even into the 1970's there was always a haze on a 'sunny' cloudless day. I got my buddies into Photography and we all had to buy UV Filters for our lenses to get that 'Blue Sky' to show on our photos. Bottom line, our skies have never been CLEANER, and BLUER, than today(1).

But at night I see fewer stars now and my Telescope is basically useless (2). But that's due to Light Pollution, not the air.

(1) hmmm? Could those clean skies be causing a slight warming from all those extra SUN Rays now shining through?(/s)
(2) I can look at the moon and lunar eclipses when they occur but that gets boring after a while. And my neighbors aren't worth 'peeping on'. /s

25 posted on 10/30/2009 7:15:37 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: piytar
There has been an increase in Sun spot activity over the past month, not much, but better then the last year or so.

Wow! Imagine the sun has more to do with our climate then anything we can do to it. /sarc (sort of)

26 posted on 10/30/2009 7:15:53 AM PDT by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: boughtwithaprice
Willing to give up blue skies for climate fix?

These f***ing envirotards are going to do their best to destroy the world as a sacrifice to their delusion. And people call these a**holes "environmentalists." The world is upside-down.

27 posted on 10/30/2009 7:23:18 AM PDT by xjcsa (And these three remain: change, hope and government. But the greatest of these is government.)
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To: xjcsa

They want control, what better way to control us than to fiddle with nature enough to justify themselves staying in power so they can “save us” from the boogey man called globull warming.

In the future they hope to make it seem like they are controlling everything so they will claim they NEED to stay in power ad infinitum....


28 posted on 10/30/2009 10:02:08 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: DYngbld

Yup, there has been an increase in sunspot activity, but still well within the “minimum” range, and it looks like the latest sunspot is fading with no new ones surfacing (on either side of the sun).


29 posted on 10/30/2009 2:01:15 PM PDT by piytar (This tag deleted by the Ministry of Truth. Love Big Brother. Or else!)
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