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We're Governed by Callous Children (WSJ Peggy Noonan)
WSJ ^ | Oct 30, 2009 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 10/30/2009 1:42:42 AM PDT by Nobel_1

The new economic statistics put growth at a healthy 3.5% for the third quarter. We should be dancing in the streets. No one is, because no one has any faith in these numbers. ... No one thinks we're entering a new age of abundance. No one thinks it will ever be the same as before 2008.

* * *

The biggest threat to America right now is not government spending, huge deficits, foreign ownership of our debt, world terrorism, two wars, potential epidemics or nuts with nukes. The biggest long-term threat is that people are becoming and have become disheartened, that this condition is reaching critical mass, and that it afflicts most broadly and deeply those members of the American leadership class who are not in Washington, most especially those in business.

* * *

I think I know part of the answer. It is that they've never seen things go dark. They came of age during the great abundance, circa 1980-2008 (or 1950-2008, take your pick), and they don't have the habit of worry.

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They don't feel anxious, because they never had anything to be anxious about. They grew up in an America surrounded by phrases—"strongest nation in the world," "indispensable nation," "unipolar power," "highest standard of living"—and are not bright enough, or serious enough, to imagine that they can damage that, hurt it, even fatally.

We are governed at all levels by America's luckiest children, sons and daughters of the abundance, and they call themselves optimists but they're not optimists—they're unimaginative. They don't have faith, they've just never been foreclosed on. They are stupid and they are callous, and they don't mind it when people become disheartened. They don't even notice.

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Excellent article by Peggy in the Wall Street Journal. Follow the link to read the full article ... it is worth your time!
1 posted on 10/30/2009 1:42:43 AM PDT by Nobel_1
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To: Nobel_1

Best thing Noonan has written in ages.


2 posted on 10/30/2009 1:54:20 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Nobel_1

Yes, well said. But I can’t help but look back at the role of the Washipundits like Peggy and George Will who decided during the primary season and in the run-up to the election that it was the hayseed grassroots that were the problem in the Republican party and if only they could get rid of those damned Evangelicals and the right-wing nuts like Sarah Palin then everything would be alright. They split the party elites from their base, we lost the election, and we are all suffering the consequences. Peggy and her beltway pals need to own up to their role in the coming misery.


3 posted on 10/30/2009 1:55:45 AM PDT by Juan Medén
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To: Nobel_1; Rummyfan

Noonan can write an article without blaming Palin?


4 posted on 10/30/2009 1:56:11 AM PDT by SolidWood (Sarah Palin: "Only dead fish go with the flow!")
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To: Nobel_1
"but they're not optimists..." Maybe not now, but I do recall a time when we seemed to be in a similar morass. Then we (America) received the gift of Ronald Reagan, who brought us back from the deep sense of hopelessness and reduced expectations of the Carter era, to where we once again became, as he so wonderfully put it, "The shining city on the hill" God bless you Ronald Reagan.
5 posted on 10/30/2009 1:59:26 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: SolidWood

LOL. I had the same thought. She is bemoaning the fact that leadership doesn’t have people like Sarah Palin and she doesn’t even realize it. No rubes from Alaska for her, thank you very much.


6 posted on 10/30/2009 2:00:54 AM PDT by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: Nobel_1

bookmark


7 posted on 10/30/2009 2:01:13 AM PDT by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: Juan Medén
They gave the "rockefeller repubs" (RINOS) cover at a critical time, true. But I would not ascribe the majority of the blame to them. I still put that burden on the back of the republican congress (when they had the majority, and then when they were a willing accomplis to the Left).
8 posted on 10/30/2009 2:03:43 AM PDT by Nobel_1 (bring on the Patriots!)
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To: Nobel_1

True. There is plenty of blame to go around.


9 posted on 10/30/2009 2:06:24 AM PDT by Juan Medén
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To: Bahbah; SolidWood

You’ve got to love the Reagan speech re-runs by the Heritage Foundation. I heard one yesterday, and his words were soooo applicable to the moment!

We need more Reagan Repubs ... Palin is onboard.


10 posted on 10/30/2009 2:09:28 AM PDT by Nobel_1 (bring on the Patriots!)
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To: Tax-chick; Constitution Day
The biggest long-term threat is that people are becoming and have become disheartened, that this condition is reaching critical mass, and that it afflicts most broadly and deeply those members of the American leadership class who are not in Washington, most especially those in business.

I may not be a Professional Erudite Wordsmith, Peggy, but by my count those are four threats.

11 posted on 10/30/2009 2:13:54 AM PDT by martin_fierro (Peggy Noonan: Paid By The Word)
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To: Nobel_1

Good article. I’ve had a somewhat similar conversation with some of the older members of my family.


12 posted on 10/30/2009 2:16:26 AM PDT by DemforBush (Now officially 100% ex-Democrat.)
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To: Juan Medén

I don’t care what Noonan has to say. The grass root conservative movement is real and substantial. We have been diligent and committed to the conservative cause and Noonan
the pious
dismissed us as being obnoxious rubes.
Noonan has been swept off the stage. WSJ should dump
her column.


13 posted on 10/30/2009 2:23:11 AM PDT by ChiMark
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To: Nobel_1
They think America is the goose that lays the golden egg. Why not? She laid it in their laps. She laid it in grandpa's lap.

She nailed this, but doesn't go quite far enough. The grandchildren of the wealthy of whom she speaks are not simply complacent, they are absolute idiots.

Without family connections or affirmative action, most of today's political and business "leaders" would be unemployable. They have nearly destroyed the country as the intelligent and competent people out in the cheap seats look on in horror.

What are we supposed to do? They have millions of dollars to buy their seats at the table, supported by millions in additional PAC money from their equally worthless compatriots.

Meanwhile, we business owners work 100 hours per week or more, and the better we are...the more they take!

They are dragging us all backwards into the abyss. I know that the popular notion on this forum is that it is some grand conspiracy...and some of the players are no doubt of that mind....but most of them are just flat-out morons.

14 posted on 10/30/2009 2:30:04 AM PDT by garandgal
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To: Nobel_1

and does she take responsibility? nooooooo.....the very people who recognized how this country could be destroyed were the ones they made fun of, mocked. They continue to look down on us from their perches of superiority, and now wring their hands, oh woe is us, not admitting their guilt.

They should all eat dirt.


15 posted on 10/30/2009 2:43:20 AM PDT by oldmomster
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To: Nobel_1
The biggest threat to America right now is not government spending, huge deficits, foreign ownership of our debt, world terrorism, two wars, potential epidemics or nuts with nukes. The biggest long-term threat is that people are becoming and have become disheartened, that this condition is reaching critical mass, and that it afflicts most broadly and deeply those members of the American leadership class who are not in Washington, most especially those in business.

Peggy writes well, but she is misreading this. The liberal Obama supporters are not disheartened; they are still euphoric over their messiah's marvelous potential. They still drool over the joy of the Nobel Peace Prize that he deserves on potential alone. They still grin as they think of the historical inevitability of Obama's coming socialist victory over the obsolete Constitution. Disheartened? Nope. They have never felt closer to victory over American values.

As for real Americans, the conservatives who despise Obama and his socialist policies, we are no more disheartened than the enemies of our values and of our children. We are disgusted with Obama and with our government, but we as a group are still optimistic. We expect the younger, more energetic conservatives including Palin, Hoffman, Thompson, Army, and Bachmann to save our freedom (with our help) from the destructive efforts of a government that is no longer of the people, by the people, and for the people. We still see America as great, and we see our country's best days ahead of us, not in the past.

Peggy is making a fundamental mistake. America's strength is not in Washington DC but in the people, and Peggy is mistaking the prevalent attitude toward the liar in our White House for an overall perspective on our country. America will survive Obama, the biggest threat to freedom in our history. Freedom will survive. Only America's enemies have reason to feel disheartened, and they are too clueless to realize the emptiness of their philosophy so early in Obama's reign.

16 posted on 10/30/2009 2:46:45 AM PDT by TurtleUp ([...Insert today's quote from Community-Organizer-in-Chief...] - Obama, YOU LIE!)
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To: Nobel_1

The piece is very good. Ms Noonan only missed two points. First, the people at the top of our executive branch, those people who will only respond even to the congress when and as they choose, know that their actions won’t “succeed” as any normal person would define success. For them, success will mean the dollar destroyed, inalienable constitutional liberties regrettably “suspended” (forever) because of (permanent or sequential) emergencies, and all power “necessarily” migrating into the White House.

The WH gang didn’t care what Nanzi and Hairy put into the Stimulus Bill, only that it was big enough to need capitals. Their only concern about funding for the last part of this fiscal year was that it be plentiful (i.e. $400B). They are trying to buy votes at home and “love” abroad with obscene giveaways, knowing full well that “redistributing wealth” to people who haven’t earned it achieves only the destruction of wealth. Perfect!

And the other, perhaps lesser, point Ms Noonan missed: that some of us are not disheartened, but are instead angry enough to kill until we die, or all the traitors in our nation die — along with everyone who looks, sounds, or smells like a traitor. The only thing worse than a blood bath would be an Obama success. Please note tagline.


17 posted on 10/30/2009 2:47:49 AM PDT by JohnQ1 (Pray for peace, prepare for war.)
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To: Rummyfan

Peggy helped with bring us Obama with her writing before the election. Thanks for nothing Peggy.


18 posted on 10/30/2009 2:48:35 AM PDT by bmwcyle (We need more Joe Wilson's. OBAMA is ACORN ACORN is OBAMA)
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To: Nobel_1
So is Peggy a “conservative” now?

Forget it Peggy you two timing whore. Go back to your stud yobama and stop pretending to be “concerned” about America ... you might not get invited to the next party at the White House.

19 posted on 10/30/2009 2:49:17 AM PDT by CapnJack
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To: garandgal; All

The grandchildren of the wealthy of whom she speaks are not simply complacent, they are absolute idiots.

Two thoughts -
1. Why was Zero elected? The constitution was not upheld, Journalism largely failed Americans, People cared more about Themselves than their Country, and a majority casting ballots exchanged Truth for a Lie. To Peggy's point, most did not understand the true risks being taken with Zero and his Czars.

2. What should we do? If you believe the Constitution, God and Family are worth fighting for, then you join the cause and raise the chorus. Just because Zero thinks of us a sheep, does not mean we have to behave as such. The best path out of this mess is taught by history ... repeat what worked; don't repeat what failed.

20 posted on 10/30/2009 2:50:38 AM PDT by Nobel_1 (bring on the Patriots!)
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To: Juan Medén

Agree as they were maybe still are enablers.

Could it be they have realized that they are as well as everyone else sacrifices to the dictator?


21 posted on 10/30/2009 2:52:08 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Bahbah

Many pundits don’t realize that presidents are supposed to be leaders, not legislators or managers.

Good leaders are not supposed to do the work themselves. They set goals and inspire others to achieve those goals while providing cover. Wise leaders never take credit for themselves. They give credit to others. Example: Reagan.

Sarah Palin displays all of the traits of a true leader. It matters not that she doesn’t know all the ins and outs of Washington politics. If she can surround herself with the right people, and I believe she can, she’s more than capable of being a great president. The anti-Palin pundits don’t realize how out of touch they are, because people eagerly rally for Palin-type leaders.

Obama, btw, displays ZERO traits of good leadership. It’s always about him, and, without dispensing tax monies, he apparently can’t inspire anyone to do anything.


22 posted on 10/30/2009 2:53:35 AM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: Nobel_1
What a nauseating, self-serving screed.

Noonan is a two-faced phoney...

23 posted on 10/30/2009 2:58:41 AM PDT by THX 1138 ("Harry, I have a gift.")
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To: TurtleUp

America's strength is not in Washington DC but in the people

I agree ... and there are way more of us than them. DC needs a reminder that they work for us; we don't work for them.

But I also agree with Peggy that the nation is fragile, has limits, and must return to its roots of prosperity.

24 posted on 10/30/2009 2:59:44 AM PDT by Nobel_1 (bring on the Patriots!)
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To: Nobel_1

Kinda dumb essay but better than Noonan’s recent efforts. She is so weepy liberal I’ll bet she almost voted for 0bama like (Chris Buckley) or actually did


25 posted on 10/30/2009 3:02:16 AM PDT by dennisw (Obama -- our very own loopy, leftist god-thing.)
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To: THX 1138
Peggy, you're nothing to me now. You're not a sister, you're not a friend. I don't want to know you or what you do. I don't want to see you on television, or read what you write. I don't want you near any conservative conferences. When you see my friends, I want to know a day in advance, so I won't be there. You understand?

With apologies to Michael Corleone.

26 posted on 10/30/2009 3:02:21 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: CitizenUSA

I agree with everything you said.


27 posted on 10/30/2009 3:02:33 AM PDT by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: Nobel_1
Notice the reference to her friends in Big Pharma etc. These may or may not have been like her swept up in voting for someone "cool". How is that "cool" working for you.

Not a word about her friend with a metal fabrication shop in a high tax state looking to move south or "Go Galt". My guess is she doesn't know what metal fabrication is, and her axis of her friends and the Frank reference was so inside the beltway mentality.

My guess is she like many boomers are scared that her doctor(s) will say "I'm done"..

I don't mean to be a smart @$$ but how is that hope and change working now for you Peggy. So many of us tried to warn her and our friends he would be an incompetent boob or worse. He is worse, and don't say we didn't warn you...

28 posted on 10/30/2009 3:15:04 AM PDT by taildragger
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To: Nobel_1

Speaking of turn coats, I wonder what Colin Powell has been up to lately. I would like to hear him say that he was wrong and terribly sorry.


29 posted on 10/30/2009 3:15:54 AM PDT by Bellflower (If you are left DO NOT take the mark of the beast and be damned forever.)
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To: JohnQ1

WH knows that their actions won’t “succeed” as any normal person would define success

The Libs love to hammer Conservatives every time we try to discern the motivations, intentions, plans of Zero ... remember how they exploded when W uttered the "appeasement" pronouncement prior to the election?

I believe that truth, wisdom and righteousness are being re-defined every day by the Libs. They need to change the language, change the definition, because their "moral" arguments are a wasteland.

For more evidence, see the endless stream of contradictions between what Zero says, and what Zero does ...

PS nice tagline
30 posted on 10/30/2009 3:20:57 AM PDT by Nobel_1 (bring on the Patriots!)
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To: taildragger

He is worse, and don't say we didn't warn you...

the abomination of obama-nation

31 posted on 10/30/2009 3:23:53 AM PDT by Nobel_1 (bring on the Patriots!)
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To: Nobel_1
This is excellent and I do not agree with much Noonan does these days. She has redeemed herself an iota with this article.

But, Peggy, one has to ask, when you developed your crush on Obama were you not guilty of the it can't happen here mentality also?

32 posted on 10/30/2009 3:27:55 AM PDT by riri (http://rationaljingo.blogspot.com/)
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To: Nobel_1

This can’t be posted enough.

“A Time for Choosing” by Ronald Reagan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXBswFfh6AY


33 posted on 10/30/2009 3:30:37 AM PDT by listenhillary (A "cult of personality" arises when a leader uses mass media creating idealized/heroic public image)
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To: riri

She would redeem her self a bit by coming right out out and saying “I was wrong and very stupid in 2008”.


34 posted on 10/30/2009 3:34:17 AM PDT by listenhillary (A "cult of personality" arises when a leader uses mass media creating idealized/heroic public image)
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To: martin_fierro
The biggest long-term threat is that people are becoming and have become disheartened, that this condition is reaching critical mass, and that it afflicts most broadly and deeply those members of the American leadership class who are not in Washington, most especially those in business.

I may not be a Professional Erudite Wordsmith, Peggy, but by my count those are four threats.

You have correctly analyzed yourself, you are not a wordsmith. The one thing is that the people have become disheartened. The rest are the effects of it.

35 posted on 10/30/2009 3:38:39 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: Nobel_1
A few of the MSM and government elites are finally starting to figure out how badly they are screwing things up.

They spend most of their time making fun of the people who make America work. They have nothing but contempt for the people in thankless jobs who actually get things done. They ridicule the "teabaggers" and the people who attended town hall meetings to try to participate in the Democratic process and prevent a disastrous health care bureaucracy from being imposed on us. They call good, patriotic Americans right wingers and hate groups.

Senator Judd Gregg recently said, "we're basically on the path to a banana-republic-type of financial situation in this country." and "You talk about systemic risk. The systemic risk today is the Congress of the United States. We're creating these massive debts which we're passing on to our children. We're going to undermine fundamentally the quality of life for our children by doing this."

The simple fact is that our great country is systematically being turned into a deindustrialized third world dictatorship. Our government, MSM and legal system are all dishonest, dysfunctional and incapable of anything other than wasting money and making things worse.

36 posted on 10/30/2009 3:40:40 AM PDT by detective
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To: listenhillary; All

Ronald Reagan "A Time of Choosing"
From the Reagan Presidential Library (on YouTube)

Outstanding - thank you for sharing!

Let it not be said that "Those with the most to loose did the least to prevent it's happening"

Or, "If we loose Freedom here, then there is no place to escape to"

... and, "Up is Freedom with Law and Order; Down leads to Totalitarianism"

37 posted on 10/30/2009 3:50:09 AM PDT by Nobel_1 (bring on the Patriots!)
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To: Nobel_1

She’s right. The Ted Kennedys and Chris Dodds of the world would be collecting aluminum cans for a living if it weren’t for their families’ names and connections. Unfortunately, dunces like those two have been instrumental in destroying the Republic because clueless idiots kept electing them to office.


38 posted on 10/30/2009 3:51:06 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Nobel_1

Is Peggy coming out of the ether at last?


39 posted on 10/30/2009 3:51:36 AM PDT by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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To: Nobel_1

Change some of the numbers due to inflation and that speech would be relevant given tomorrow.


40 posted on 10/30/2009 3:53:21 AM PDT by listenhillary (A "cult of personality" arises when a leader uses mass media creating idealized/heroic public image)
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To: martin_fierro

Professional Buffleheaded Dingbat.

How’s that Hopeychange working out for you, Peggy?


41 posted on 10/30/2009 3:53:38 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Yes, I'm the one who defends venomous snakes. Somebody has to.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
The biggest long-term threat is that people are becoming and have become disheartened, that this condition is reaching critical mass, and that it afflicts most broadly and deeply those members of the American leadership class who are not in Washington, most especially those in business.

I may not be a Professional Erudite Wordsmith, Peggy, but by my count those are four threats.

You have correctly analyzed yourself, you are not a wordsmith. The one thing is that the people have become disheartened. The rest are the effects of it.

Re-read the sentence. That's not what it says.

Allow me then to suggest to Her Pegginess a clearer, more succinct (please!) re-write:

The biggest long-term threat is that people are becoming and have become disheartened,. that tThis condition is reaching critical mass, and that it afflicts most broadly and deeply those members of the American leadership class who are not in Washington, most especially those in business.

There. Was that so hard.

42 posted on 10/30/2009 3:55:08 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Tax-chick

The Left has Maureen Dowd.

We’re saddled with Peggy.


43 posted on 10/30/2009 3:57:23 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Nobel_1

Peggy, got crow?


44 posted on 10/30/2009 4:05:20 AM PDT by fullchroma (Obama: GET OUT OF MY DOCTOR'S OFFICE!)
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To: martin_fierro

Perhaps my eyes are not awake but all I see different is that your “re-write” is in bold. I stand by my observation that she has stated only one problem and the rest results from that problem.

Shouldn’t questions (Was that so hard. ) end with a question mark?


45 posted on 10/30/2009 4:05:25 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Not if they’re rhetorical questions.


46 posted on 10/30/2009 4:08:22 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Nobel_1

It was either David Hume or Adam Smith who wrote that a country can absorb a lot of ruin. We are currently experimenting to find out how much ruin a country can absorb before it cracks.


47 posted on 10/30/2009 4:11:33 AM PDT by Malesherbes (Sauve Qui Peut)
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To: Nobel_1
Peggy is close to the truth. I think we have become a nation of people who have never experienced real hardship. Since WW2 we've never really been challenged. We have been riding on the backs of the "greatest generation".

As a result, we have enjoyed a prosperity that has allowed some of us to think that gay marriage and alternative energy are significant and worthy issues. In contrast, think of how those issues would have been regarded in the 1950's and 1960's.

We are like spoiled children who don't know what it means to go without a meal or a new toy. The current health care debate is a great example. Who would trade 1959 medical care for the care available now? There is no medical crisis. Great medical care costs money. The crude and limited care in 1959 cost a lot less.

It will take a major setback to bring America to its senses. And Obama may be just the man to provide that setback in the form of a prolonged recession.

48 posted on 10/30/2009 4:14:45 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski (No good deed goes unpunished.)
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To: Nobel_1

If Noonan has written anything right, she doesn’t mean it, she’s just trolling for hits. Not clicking on her ‘til crack of doom.


49 posted on 10/30/2009 4:17:51 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( If you have kids, you have no right of privacy that the govt can't flick off your shoulder.)
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To: Nobel_1

I see: the American people are callous children. This explains the dire straits we face.


50 posted on 10/30/2009 4:19:38 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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