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Posted on 10/30/2009 12:00:10 AM PDT by HonCitizen
Concludes political crisis in Honduras The signing was delayed for several hours after the delegation of the deposed Manuel Zelaya gave its approval long - Updated: 30.10.09 12:50 am - Writing:
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Honduras .
Representatives of the government of deposed Roberto Micheletti Manuel Zelaya signed late Thursday in this capital an agreement to end the political crisis that took to Honduras in the air for 124 days.
The agreement was signed under heavy pressure from the U.S. government decided to send his top heavy artillery led by the undersecretary of state for Latin America Department of State Thomas Shannon.
Shanonn said Thursday morning that the basis of political agreement were in place and just had no will to sign it.
"We have reached an agreement to end the political impasse," said the lawyer Vilma Morales of the delegation Micheletto, who stressed that the solution to the political crisis was reached in adherence to the Constitution and laws Honduran
The signing was delayed for several hours after the delegation of the deposed Manuel Zelaya gave long and, according to press reports, the deposed president was unwilling to sign.
Minutes before the signing of the agreement, President Roberto Micheletti announced its authorization to sign the document ending the political crisis facing the country since last June 28.
"Tonight I am pleased to announce that a few minutes ago I authorized my negotiating team to sign a final agreement that marks the beginning of the end of the political situation", whereby the return of Manuel Zelaya will be decided by Congress after consulting Supreme Court of Justice (CSJ).
Speaking from Government House, the Honduran president reiterated that "no individual is above the future of Honduras" and that "we can not put personal interests over the collective good of this great nation."
The deal approved by Micheletti contains eight points, including the creation of a coalition government, rejected the amnesty policy, recognition of the elections on 29 November, the creation of a verification commission, a truth commission and the return of Manuel Zelaya decided by the National Congress of the SJC opinion.
"Accepting this proposal represents a significant concession by the government," the president said.
"We have always been firm that is the Supreme Court who should decide on the possible return of Mr. Zelaya. But we also understand that our people are calling to turn the page of our history of these difficult times we live. For this reason I have decided to support this new proposal for a final agreement as soon as possible. "
Micheletti thanked the U.S. delegation to the Organization of American States (OAS) "for their important support mediator" in the political crisis.
The dialogue began in Honduras Guaymuras on 7 October under the auspices of the Organization of American States (OAS), however, was interrupted by the commission Zelaya, who rejected the government proposal Micheletti for the Supreme Court decided the return of the former president.
The commission resumed talks Thursday, a day after the arrival of a high-level commission sent by the United States, who won in two days the agreement that neither the Nobel Peace Prize Oscar Arias, nor the pressures of Hugo Chávez, or international sanctions had made it possible.
I fear for the fate of America.
Pray.
Be strong, be brave. Hang tough. Don’t give up.
Do not let anyone stop these elections. Go into the streets if you have to. If the elections are “delayed” you’re in a dictatorship. Best nip it in the bud in that very moment.
Uh, again. The army did what they could. It may be your turn next time.
Yep fear for the US, not Honduras. This is terrible!
You’re right. Honduras got rid of theirs, if only for a time.
We’ve still got ours.
Honduran elections scheduled only four weeks away, November 29.
The fix is in.
What a shame!! I am so sorry for your country, HonCitizen, and for ours.
I can only imagine the pressure our State Department will bring to bear on the Honduran Congress. If your President couldn’t withstand it I don’t believe the congress will, either.
I fear for the fate of America.
I agree. The risk is high that democracy will be crushed in both Honduras and the USA. Shame on America. The Chavez model of fake popular elections and sham representative government could be in our future.
There is nothing that zero has done that points to his beliefs and intentions more than this episode.
It’s beyond shocking, beyond shameful.
Huh?
So there’s gonna be a coalition government?
For three or four weeks?
Or will this agreement have the effect of delaying the election?
Yes, the fix is in.
And they want a Global FIX.
Fix is a druggie term, and that is what happens with power-happy people.
“Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God”
We must demand from our Government, our current Leftist inspired Government what their reasoning for this interference in the affairs of the Honduran State is.
Every effort must be made to establish the underlying purpose of the efforts of the Obama Administration in this affair.
We, and the World need to know why this current lot in our Government side with the likes os Chavez, Castro, and other notorious Leftist, Communist Dictatorships in our hemisphere.
Obama, the alleged Progressive Democrats, the One World Order must be exposed, and their purpose, their goals clearly displayed to even the dumbest SOB amongst us.
(Because they vote too. That’s how we got here.)
The following members of Congress are Marxists who have rebranded themselves as “Progressives” in an attempt to hide their agenda
All members are members of the Democratic Party or caucus with the Democratic Party. There are currently 82 total declared Progressives including 79 voting Representatives, 2 non-voting Delegates, and 1 Senator.
[edit] Arizona
The “Congressional Progressive Caucus”:
* Ed Pastor (AZ-4, Phoenix)
* Raúl Grijalva (AZ-7, Tucson) - Co-Chair
[edit] California
* Lynn Woolsey (CA-6, Santa Rosa) - Co-Chair
* George Miller (CA-7, Richmond) - Chairman, House Education and Labor Committee
* Barbara Lee (CA-9, Oakland) - Chairwoman, Congressional Black Caucus
* Pete Stark (CA-13, Fremont)
* Michael Honda (CA-15, San Jose)
* Sam Farr (CA-17, Monterey)
* Henry Waxman (CA-30, Los Angeles) - Chairman, House Energy and Commerce Committee
* Xavier Becerra (CA-31, Los Angeles)
* Judy Chu (CA-32, El Monte)
* Diane Watson (CA-33, Los Angeles)
* Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA-34, Los Angeles)
* Maxine Waters (CA-35, Inglewood)
* Laura Richardson (CA-37, Long Beach)
* Linda Sanchez (CA-39, Lakewood)
* Bob Filner (CA-51, San Diego) - Chairman, House Veterans Affairs Committee
[edit] Colorado
* Jared Polis (CO-02, Boulder)
[edit] Connecticut
* Rosa DeLauro (CT-3, New Haven)
[edit] Florida
* Corrine Brown (FL-3, Jacksonville)
* Alan Grayson (FL-8, Orlando)
* Robert Wexler (FL-19, Boca Raton)
* Alcee Hastings (FL-23, Fort Lauderdale)
[edit] Georgia
* Hank Johnson (GA-4, Lithonia)
* John Lewis (GA-5, Atlanta)
[edit] Hawaii
* Neil Abercrombie (HI-1, Honolulu)
* Mazie Hirono (HI-2, Honolulu)
[edit] Illinois
* Bobby Rush (IL-1, Chicago)
* Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL-2, Chicago Heights)
* Luis Gutierrez (IL-4, Chicago)
* Danny Davis (IL-7, Chicago)
* Jan Schakowsky (IL-9, Chicago)
* Phil Hare (IL-17, Rock Island)
[edit] Indiana
* André Carson (IN-7, Indianapolis)
[edit] Iowa
* Dave Loebsack (IA-2, Cedar Rapids)
[edit] Maine
* Chellie Pingree (ME-1, North Haven)
[edit] Maryland
* Donna Edwards (MD-4, Fort Washington)
* Elijah Cummings (MD-7, Baltimore)
[edit] Massachusetts
* John Olver (MA-1, Amherst)
* Jim McGovern (MA-3, Worcester)
* Barney Frank (MA-4, Newton) - Chairman, House Financial Services Committee
* John Tierney (MA-6, Salem)
* Ed Markey (MA-7, Malden)
* Mike Capuano (MA-8, Boston)
[edit] Michigan
* Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (MI-13, Detroit)
* John Conyers (MI-14, Detroit) - Chairman, House Judiciary Committee
[edit] Minnesota
* Keith Ellison (MN-5, Minneapolis)
[edit] Mississippi
* Bennie Thompson (MS-2, Bolton) - Chairman, House Homeland Security Committee
[edit] Missouri
* William Lacy Clay, Jr. (MO-1, St. Louis)
* Emanuel Cleaver (MO-5, Kansas City)
[edit] New Jersey
* Frank Pallone (NJ-06)
* Donald Payne (NJ-10, Newark)
[edit] New Mexico
* Ben R. Luján (NM-3, Santa Fe)
[edit] New York
* Jerry Nadler (NY-8, Manhattan)
* Yvette Clarke (NY-11, Brooklyn)
* Nydia Velazquez (NY-12, Brooklyn) - Chairwoman, House Small Business Committee
* Carolyn Maloney (NY-14, Manhattan)
* Charles Rangel (NY-15, Harlem) - Chairman, House Ways and Means Committee
* Jose Serrano (NY-16, Bronx)
* John Hall (NY-19, Dover Plains)
* Maurice Hinchey (NY-22, Saugerties)
* Louise Slaughter (NY-28, Rochester) - Chairwoman, House Rules Committee
* Eric Massa (NY-29, Corning)
[edit] North Carolina
* Mel Watt (NC-12, Charlotte)
[edit] Ohio
* Marcy Kaptur (OH-9, Toledo)
* Dennis Kucinich (OH-10, Cleveland)
* Marcia Fudge (OH-11, Warrensville Heights)
[edit] Oregon
* Earl Blumenauer (OR-3, Portland)
* Peter DeFazio (OR-4, Eugene)
[edit] Pennsylvania
* Bob Brady (PA-1, Philadelphia) - Chairman, House Administration Committee
* Chaka Fattah (PA-2, Philadelphia)
[edit] Tennessee
* Steve Cohen (TN-9, Memphis)
[edit] Texas
* Sheila Jackson-Lee (TX-18, Houston)
* Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX-30, Dallas)
[edit] Virginia
* Jim Moran (VA-8, Alexandria)
[edit] Vermont
* Peter Welch (VT-At Large)
[edit] Washington
* Jim McDermott (WA-7, Seattle)
[edit] Wisconsin
* Tammy Baldwin (WI-2, Madison)
* Gwen Moore (WI-4, Milwaukee)
[edit] Non-voting
* Donna M. Christensen (Virgin Islands)
* Eleanor Holmes Norton (District of Columbia)
[edit] Senate member
* Bernie Sanders (Vermont)
[edit] Former members
* Sherrod Brown (OH-13) - Elected to Senate
* Julia Carson (IN-07) - Died in December 2007
* Lane Evans (IL-17) - Retired from Congress
* Cynthia McKinney (GA-4) - Lost Congressional seat to current caucus member Hank Johnson
* Major Owens (NY-11) - Retired from Congress
* Nancy Pelosi (CA-8) - Left Caucus when Elected House Minority Leader
* Hilda Solis (CA-32) - Became Secretary of Labor in 2009
* Stephanie Tubbs Jones (OH-11) - Died in 2008
* Tom Udall (NM Senate)
* Paul Wellstone (MN Senate) - Died in plane crash in 2002
The Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) was established in 1991 by five members of the United States House of Representatives: Representatives Ron Dellums (D-CA), Lane Evans (D-IL), Peter DeFazio (D-OR), Maxine Waters (D-CA), and Bernie Sanders (I-VT). Then-Representative Bernie Sanders was the convener and first. The founding members were concerned about the economic hardship imposed by the deepening recession, the growing inequality brought about by the timidity of the Democratic Party response at the time.
Additional House representatives joined soon, including Major Owens (D-NY), Nydia Velazquez (D-NY), David Bonior (D-MI), Bob Filner (D-CA), Barney Frank (D-MA), Maurice Hinchey (D-NY), Jim McDermott (D-WA), Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), Patsy Mink (D-HI), George Miller (D-CA), Pete Stark (D-CA), John Olver (D-MA), Lynn Woolsey (D-CA), and Nancy Pelosi (D-CA).
It's pathetic that the US pressured Micheletti to agree to anything, but it looks like he didn't concede much. It is highly unlikely that the legislature or the court would allow Zelaya to return. I think both were nearly unanimous in supporting his removal.
But I wonder what "to return" means? Does that mean return to the country or return to the presidency?
And what is meant by a coalition government? Honduras doesn't have a parliamentary government, and beyond that Zelaya and Micheletti were members of the same party, so I don't get what the practical meaning of this would be.
I hope that Honduras will get ALL the foreign aid money from the US that Obozo withheld during this crisis.
We have a criminal as potus!
I long for the day that the Usurper is hanged in the public square.
Take that to the bank, you libtard lurkers.
F U B O !
So how long will Zelaya remain president? Does he stay until January?
How are the elections shaping up for the end of November?
It sounds to me like Michelletti held strong and that, while the U.S. State Department wanted the deal to put Zelaya back in power in violation of the Honduran Constitution, the final agreement leaves confirms that the November elections will go on as planned and leaves Zelaya’s fate up to the Honduran Congress and Supreme Court. Given what we know about those two bodies, they will not subvert the Honduran Constitution and Zelaya will not return to power, not even temporarily.
I wrote to the constitutional government of Honduras a few weeks ago to express my support, and have been receiving several press releases a day from them by e-mail ever since. I’ll see what they say in today’s e-mail, but based on prior press releases I think that the final agreement includes all of the points on which the parties had previously ageed (earlier Michelletti had said that 95% of the points had been agreed upon, and only Zelaya’s fate remained to be decided) and the issue regarding Zelaya was settled ina way acceptable to the government. I thonk it says a lot that Zelaya had to be pushed to sign the agreement—frankly, I think it’s a face-saving measure by the U.S. and other regional powers that knew thatif no agreement was reached prior to the election that people would realize how little influence they truly wield.
In short, I think that the good guys won against all odds, and Obama ended up throwing Zelaya under the bus.
“Coalition” is the way the left is currently overturning the electoral process and getting its people into power no matter what. Obama and his minions managed to do this in Kenya, where Obama’s Muslim Marxist cousin lost the election (even after leading his supporters in bloody mayhem throughout the country) but then charged fraud and used the threat of more violence to force Kenya to install him as a sort of “co-president,” even though there is no provision in the Kenyan constitution for this type of thing.
Obama has pushed for the same thing (a “coalition government”) in Afghanistan, where he is for some reason very eager to install Abdullah Abdullah, even though the latter lost the election and there is no provision for “coalitions” in Afghan law.
Hmm, that’s an interesting pattern. Obama and his ulterior motives. I wonder if even the people close to him really know what goes on in his head.
Yeah, that’s how it looks to me too.
I’ve been getting those emails too but my Spanish is so rusty that I can only pick up a few bits and pieces.
Why are some of the posters on this thread upset?
The only reasonable interpretation of this agreement is that Obama caved in to the patriots in Honduras. Their Congress and Supreme Court are never going to permit Zelaya to return to power; not for even one day.
This is nothing more than an attempt by Obama to look like a statesman. The fact is the people of Honduras told Obama to FO and Obama realized he got bitch-slapped and tried to find a way safe a little bit of his dignity.
Can you post the email address to subscribe? My Spanish is pretty weak too, but it’s worth trying.
Thanks for that post Rome2000.
What am I missing from this? To me, this reads like an agreement for both sides to abide by the outcome of a vote that the Honduran Congress has yet to make. The vote will take place after Congress gets an opinion from the Supreme Court. Congress could easily say that Zelaya is still out and even that he should be prosecuted, and he has agreed to abide by the vote.
Yes, I understand he could be reinstated also, and Micheletti has also agreed to abide, but if I were a betting man...
Am I missing something?
Let the real coup begin.
As soon as he is put back into office the Cuban and Venezuela “Peacekeepers” will arrive to “restore” order.
Term ends in January. Could have lots of Venezuela and Cuba troops there by then.
The US State Department has forced Honduras to make an extra-Constitutional agreement.
Zelaya was rightfully removed from office and the VP took over the position, consistent with the Honduran Constitution. Anything else is outside the Honduran Constitution. There is no provision in the Honduran Constitution for a coalition government.
The likely outcome is that Zelaya will never see political power again, and elections will take place as scheduled. However, there is LOTS of room for interference from outside parties.
I don’t like this at all.
That’s a shame about the rustiness of your Spanish, because those e-mails from the Honduran government have been very informative.
Zelaya says he won't run for reelection and therefore is not violating the constitution and reclaims the presidency but then still has 2 months to loot the treasury of Honduras.
“We have a criminal as potus!”
The Obama threat must have cut deep. The Honduran government withstood threats, and financial deprivation and was still holding steady. No Obama and Chavez will send their thugs in to steal the upcoming election.
“As soon as he is put back into office the Cuban and Venezuela “Peacekeepers”(and Obama thugs) will arrive to “restore” order.
Minor change ;-)
I hope your analysis is the correct one, but I’ve learned to expect duplicity and betrayal in all affairs of state.
It won’t seem minor when they start arresting and killing people.
This may have merely been a saving face concession for Zelaya’s benefit, courtesy of our own Usurper. We’ll have to wait and see how it all plays out.
I hope that as part of this deal, Honduras gets ALL the US aid it is supposed to get- this is one case where I WANT U.S. foreign aid to go to its intended beneficiary.
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I hope you are right and thats the way things will work out. The US & OAS response to this this thing has been beyond weird. It seems that all the heads of states view the removal of any one them as a threat to all of them. Just cause is not a factor for them.
Aid yes, but I have a feeling it will be doled out piecemeal, as a carrot.
Did any of you read the article fully? Honestly?
Honduras has not been thrown under the bus ...
Re-Read the article!
Elections are 4 weeks away and will happen ...
Mr Zelaya is not running in the elections, nor does the article say ANYTHING about him returning to power IMMEDIATELY ...
His fate rests in the hands of some of the same people who kicked him out of office in the first place.
Leave it to the Obama administration to make a bad situation worse.
You and I both brother.
Thank God Reagan isn’t here to see this.
Not for lack of trying by the Obammers.
Understatement of the year ...
I would never have believed I could hate my own government this much. You Hondurans have my deepest sympathy and shared anger at our thugs in office.
but we have the anti-Reagan and the anti-Bush in office.
The press needs to be asking many questions to the Obama Administrations about this!
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