Posted on 10/28/2009 3:48:44 PM PDT by mojito
England is a strange place these days. A sort of political volcano has exploded, and the significance of it is not clear. According to pretty well everyone with access to free speech, fascism has erupted. The British National party has been making surreptitious headway for some time now, but restricted to winning a seat on some local council here or there. Suddenly in elections for the European parliament in Brussels, the BNP got about 900,000 votes, entitling it under proportional representation to two seats. One of those seats goes to Nick Griffin, the BNP leader.
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Griffin has only one point to make, namely that immigration is out of control and British people no longer feel that this is their country. He hasn't the intelligence to make this point very well, but it resonates with the people who find themselves living amidst the immigrants. Nobody seems to have worked out that mass immigration and the welfare state are incompatible. British people see immigrants receiving benefits, housing, and the rest of it on a scale that is neither deserved nor available to them. Post-war governments, whether Conservative or Labour, have created this confusion and taken every measure to pretend either that it is not happening or that it doesn't matter. In short, these politicians have been effective fascist-spawning agents....
As though on cue, a speechwriter for Tony Blair now reveals that the Blair government had a deliberate policy of encouraging mass immigration while ensuring that the electorate was told nothing about it. As the well-known columnist Melanie Phillips has put it, here was “a deliberate and secret policy of national cultural sabotage.” In the next 25 years, moreover, some 7 million more immigrants are expected to be added to the population.
(Excerpt) Read more at pryce-jones.nationalreview.com ...
Specifically the BNP is by far the most pro-Israel party in England. They are the only party standing up against unlimited 3rd World Immigration. Leftist internationalists who believe the whole earth belongs to all the people describe as "fascist" anyone who believes that Nations have a right to exist and control their borders.
By calling the BNP "fascist" you are buying into left-wing propaganda and 'newspeak'. The Labor party, being a true leftist party, is much closer to the true fascist policies of Mussolini, as are the Obama-Democratics. Like the Italian Fascists they want to manage the whole society through the three levers of unions, government and state directed capitalism.
The BNP stands for none of this.
What the hell were you thinking when you titled this article?
Commentators will wring their hands about the rise of “fascism” in their countries but they don’t ever look for the root cause which can usually be traced to politicians in the legitimate parties who have lost sight of their responsibility to their constituents.
BNP is against the inequality of income and for government control of industries they are Fascist.
Fascist?
You mean patriotic anti-Islamists?
The BNP is going to get a major boost from the UK MAIL article describing how Labour secretly and cynically decided to alter the very characteristics of the United Kingdom through untrammeled immigration.
Suddenly, thousands of people are waking up to the shocking fact that everything the BNP has been saying about Labour’s immigration policies is gospel truth — and I don’t expect they like it very much.
“The British National Party represents the collective National, Environmental, Political, Racial, Folkish, Social, Cultural, Religious and Economic interests of the indigenous Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norse folk communities of Britain and those we regard as closely related and ethnically assimilated or assimilable aboriginal members of the European race also resident in Britain. Membership of the BNP is strictly defined within the terms of, and our members also self define themselves within, the legal ambit of a defined ‘racial group’ this being ‘Indigenous Caucasian’ and defined ‘ethnic groups’ emanating from that Race as specified in law in the House of Lords case of Mandla V Dowell Lee (1983) 1 ALLER 1062, HL.”
http://bnp.org.uk/Constitution%209th%20Ed%20Sep%202005.pdf
It's a “whites only” party, and that statement sounds pretty fascist to me.
And you apparently have none.
"fascist"
I don't think you know what that word means.
The BNP is a “whites only” party.
Just what would you call it?
Sounds good to me. Western culture, way of life and sovereignty
But that does not change the fact that the first requirement for someone desiring to be a member of the BNP is that they are white. It's a race-based admissions requirement.
. As opposed to what? The Black Caucus? The Hispanic Caucus? LaRaza, NAACP or the literally hundreds/thousands of race based groups of all sorts that exist both here and there. For all kinds of purposes that influence laws, way of life, culture and just about everything else.
I agree with you on your last point. However I read an article posted here on FR about a week ago stating that is no longer part of there platform. I will look into it , but I thought it said something about Sikhs, Gurkha’s etc would be allowed to join as long as they do not try to turn their new home into their old home. Something like that. I have no problem with that.
By you post it appears to be interested in forwarding the best interests of the indigenous peoples of the British Isles.
Only to foreign interests is that somehow Fascist.
They’re only doing that because upcoming legislation is going to force them to. The BNP are racists with a murky past, it is certainly true...
However, the actions of many of their opponents in trying to suppress the BNP and deny them their democratic and basic rights smacks more to me of fascism than anything the BNP are currently doing....
The fact that this debate rages on both sides of the Atlantic shows that we have risen - in the US & GB - to a level reminiscent of Germany circa 1930. Whenever a government - Nazi, Communist, Islamist, Democratic, or any other kind — begins to choke the citizens, the people rise up with what is possibly a greater counter-force. The BNP is responding to what it perceives as a threat - just as Hitler did in Germany. If Blair is admitting that policy was crafted to allow a tidal wave of immigrants into GB, then he should expect that those living in the real world are going to be slightly pissed off. The more people are pushed the more they will respond. I think the one resounding legacy of the American Revolution was to instill in the world the idea that when oppression - whatever that is defined as — gets to be too much, it’s OK to revolt. The BNP is striking a chord with many people — that should be reason for politicians to take note — and change or perish.
Nice post. I find elitist thinking as comparable to ironic humor. Expect they don’t get it. As an example the “Native Americans”were raped, pillaged, murdered, and lands stolen from them by the”White Anglo-Saxon” IMMIGRANTS according to leftist. So would the native American been called a racist do defend his land, and culture. I get so confused :)
Nice to get info from “across the pond” Thanks :)
The current leader of the BNP was in the National Front for many years, and the then leader of the NF said he had a homosexual relationship with Griffin. He has praised Louis Farrakhan and tried to establish relationships with Libya's Qaddafi and Ayatollah Khomeini. He is a Holocaust denier, and has praised the Waffen SS and attacked the RAF for it's WWII attacks on Germany. You really like this guy?
What Blair did was wrong, but it doesn't make the BNP right.
But they are spot on about the immigration issues the UK has...problem is the mainstream parties won't touch it.
Will they in 50 years when the UK is 30-40% Muslim?
then will anyone care who's racist or fascist?
the muzzies sure as hell won't...they don't fret over all that high mindedness, they have their eye on the prize....us.
what we have here sorta is this fixation much like here that race inequality trumps any issue but meanwhile the ground is crumbling around us....any nationalist anti-immigration party in the UK is bound to be somewhat xenophobic about non white immigration since the UK has historically been just that...cracker central including my Saxon Wessex forebears....granted though quite a hodgepodge of Caucasoids
same issue here, we really don't deal with all the Latin illegals because they are mostly brown and folks are terrified to be called racist (not me obviously) and meanwhile we may become a Latin partially Caucasian country in 3-5 generations and some folks are more worried about offending folks...I've lived in Latin nations...black ones too...none work real well...just a warning
all that said...NF nor BNP are horses I'd want to hitch my wagon to either but at some point if we don't move beyond paralysis over cultural and racial and religious differences not being good for folks in the west at times then we can kiss western civilization goodbye for our descendants but as a consolation we can at least feel good about being self righteous about it as we watch ourselves give up what our ancestors fought so hard to get.
Uh, that comes from them. The BNP was originally founded by the British Union of Fascists as a new version of that party. All subsequent users of that name would be idiotic to use it if they didn't want to be associated with the Fascists and Owsley etc. Plus, the founder of this iteration of the BNP, Tyndall, the person Griffin took over for, was a self-professed fascist. Of course, they are only not fascist in the sense that they have little grasp on politics at all.
Having said that, the major parties have driven voters into the BNP's arms, by giving them no alternative. There needs to be a real alternative in Britain. Even if the BNP were somehow elected, they have no idea what they are doing.
anyone to the right who endorses the protection of national culture and identity whether here or the UK will be labeled facist or racist...it comes with the territory but the UK like I said needs a better vehicle
as I read it the BNP was originally formed as you said 60 years ago from the BUF years ago then died on the vine
this Tyndall from National Front and some British Movement sorts formed BNP in 1980 and formed a new party using that name BNP
yes...BNP has never held office
sounds like folks are angry there....the UK looks very PC from here
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