Posted on 10/27/2009 8:59:45 PM PDT by Mount Athos
'There is no doubt he is our friend," Turkey's prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, says of Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, even as he accuses Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman of threatening to use nuclear weapons against Gaza. These outrageous assertions point to the profound change of orientation by Turkey's government - for six decades the West's closest Muslim ally - since Erdogan's AK party came to power in 2002.
Three events this past month reveal the extent of that change. The first came on October 11 with the news that the Turkish military - a long-time bastion of secularism and advocate of cooperation with Israel - abruptly asked Israeli forces not to participate in the annual "Anatolian Eagle" air force exercise.
Erdogan cited "diplomatic sensitivities" for the cancelation, and Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu spoke of "sensitivity on Gaza, east Jerusalem and the al-Aksa Mosque." The Turks specifically rejected Israeli planes that may have attacked Hamas during last winter's Gaza Strip operation. While Damascus applauded the disinvitation, it prompted the US and Italian governments to withdraw their forces from Anatolian Eagle, which in turn meant canceling the international exercise.
As for the Israelis, this "sudden and unexpected" shift shook to the core their military alignment with Turkey, in place since 1996. Former air force chief Eitan Ben-Eliahu, for example, called the cancelation "a seriously worrying development." Jerusalem immediately responded by reviewing Israel's practice of supplying Turkey with advanced weapons, such as the recent $140 million sale to the Turkish air force of targeting pods. The idea also arose to stop helping the Turks defeat the Armenian genocide resolutions that regularly appear before the US Congress.
BARRY RUBIN of the Interdisciplinary Center in Herzliya not only argues that "the Israel-Turkey alliance is over," but concludes that Turkey's armed forces no longer guard the secular republic and can no longer intervene if the government becomes too Islamist.
The second event took place two days later, on October 13, when Syria's Foreign Minister Walid Muallem announced that Turkish and Syrian forces had just "carried out maneuvers near Ankara." Muallem rightly called this an important development "because it refutes reports of poor relations between the military and political institutions in Turkey over strategic relations with Syria." Translation: Turkey's armed forces lost out to its politicians.
Thirdly, 10 Turkish ministers, led by Davutoglu, joined their Syrian counterparts on October 13 for talks under the auspices of the just-established "Turkey-Syria High Level Strategic Cooperation Council." The ministers announced having signed almost 40 agreements to be implemented within 10 days; that "a more comprehensive, a bigger" joint land military exercise would be held than the first one in April; and that the two countries' leaders would sign a strategic agreement in November.
The council's concluding joint statement announced the formation of "a long-term strategic partnership" between the two sides "to bolster and expand their cooperation in a wide spectrum of issues of mutual benefit and interest, and strengthen the cultural bonds and solidarity among their peoples." The council's spirit, Davutoglu explained, "is common destiny, history and future; we will build the future together," while Muallem called the get-together a "festival to celebrate" the two peoples.
Bilateral relations have indeed been dramatically reversed from a decade earlier, when Ankara came perilously close to war with Syria. But improved ties with Damascus are only one part of a much larger effort by Ankara to enhance relations with regional and Muslim states - a strategy enunciated by Davutoglu in his influential 2000 book, Strategic Depth: Turkey's International Position.
In brief, Davutoglu envisions reduced conflict with neighbors and Turkey emerging as a regional power, a sort of modernized Ottoman Empire. Implicit in this strategy is a distancing of Turkey from the West in general and from Israel in particular. Although not presented in Islamist terms, "strategic depth" closely fits the AK party's Islamist world view.
As Barry Rubin notes, "The Turkish government is closer politically to Iran and Syria than to the United States and Israel." Caroline Glick, a Jerusalem Post columnist, goes further: Ankara has already "left the Western alliance and became a full member of the Iranian axis."
But officials in the West seem nearly oblivious to this momentous change in Turkey's allegiance, and its implications. The cost of this error will soon become evident.
I mean they do know where Turkey is... and the importance of the gateway to the east. ....oh and that the major conflicts between east and west have all crossed thru Turkey and the fact that Europe, Asia and Africa have access through Turkey. That huge pipelines from Caucasia/Mideast to the west goes through Turkey...
Oh, I can't wait for Obama to get wee-weed up and do some of that "Hard Diplomacy" he talked about...hahahahahaha.. this is going to be a real rough 3 years for the douche bag in chief.
The last line in the article says it all...
We are headed for dangerous times and the west is not paying attention.
I can tell you this. You don’t want the Turks as enemies. Their soldiers are ferocious fighters... Ferocious...
Are there still gravity nukes forward-deployed there?
I thought not since the days of the F-111 in the nuke role.
I have heard something to the effect of Turkey dropping out of NATO, along with a few other nations.
And I thought Aviano was being closed too. Hmmmmm.
Is that supposed to be 2009 numbers?
I don’t really believe that will happen because we still have nukes stored there.
When my Dad's unit was nearly overrun in Korea, low on everything (they had policed up every round they could from their own dead), and facing another wave assault of ChiCom troops, it was the Turkish Brigade that saved them from being overrun.
I owe my presence on the planet to those troops, according to my father who had nothing but good to say about them.
There has been no mention of Aviano closing. B-61 nukes are still stored there too.
31st Fighter Wing is stationed there at Aviano
Thanks. I used to work with a former AF guy who was at Dyess when the B-1 was there and carried B-83’s. My mother’s house is a few dozen miles away from Whiteman. I figured there are many B-83’s and B-61’s there, since it’s the B-2 base.
I was in her front yard a number of years ago and saw a pair of B-2’s climbing out. Good thing they bank a bit or I would not have been able to see them. :)
No Problem. Information about nuclear war and its delivery systems is my business.
I’ve been paying a lot of attention to Turkey prophetically too. Everything is getting very hot over there isn’t it? And then we have Bibi, doing his best to bat off the vultures.
Then there’s this to consider...
Excerpts from Barack Obama’s April 6, 2009 Speech to the Turkish Parliament:
(snip)”...We should build on our Clean Technology Fund to leverage efficiency and renewable energy investments in Turkey. And to power markets in Turkey and Europe, the United States will continue to support your central role as an East-West corridor for oil and natural gas.”
(snip)”I know there have been difficulties these last few years. I know that the trust that binds the United States and Turkey has been strained, and I know that strain is shared in many places where the Muslim faith is practiced. So let me say this as clearly as I can: The United States is not, and will never be, at war with Islam. (Applause.) In fact, our partnership with the Muslim world is critical...”
(snip)”We seek broader engagement based upon mutual interest and mutual respect. We will listen carefully, we will bridge misunderstanding, and we will seek common ground. We will be respectful even when we do not agree. We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own country. The United States has been enriched by Muslim Americans. Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim-majority country —I know, because I am one of them. (Applause.)”
(snip)”...In the months ahead, I will present specific programs to advance these goals.”
~~Barack Obama
http://middleeast.about.com/od/usmideastpolicy/a/me090406_2.htm
I remember the days when Whiteman AFB housed Minuteman missiles.
Unfortunately, Bibi is talking quite a bit about dividing Israel.
Too much talking about it, I think. I’m afraid he’s going to fall for it despite all who have spoken to him about it.
The Turks can kick us out, which would force us to relocate the operations from Incirlrlik airbase to either Iraq or Israel (Preferably Israel)...
I used to drive past M-13 right next to the highway while on my way to visit friends in Warrensburg, Missouri. It seemed like it was only about 100 feet or so off the highway to the silo door. I kept hoping I wouldn’t see it come open as I drove by some day, knowing the Russkies would be shooting back right at it, lol.
I assumed it was a MMIII since this was in the early-to-late 1980’s. But I do remember when the MMII blew up in Kansas after a dropped socket pierced the fuel tank and the leaking fuel eventually blew (several hours? later). Back then it was explained that a rubber girdle was not installed during maintenance as it should have been. And the missile was sporting a warhead at the time, of course).
Now, as I understand it. all 50x10 MX (W-87’s) have been redeployed to the 500 MMIII’s moved to the missile field up in the more remote parts of the country.
Actually, that would be my preference.I would like all those nukes in Israel. But, it would be very tricky to move 50 B-61 nuclear weapons with 360 kilotons a piece. There are still Jupiter launchpads that their locations are still classified in Turkey.
You are correct. I actually visited the Oscar-11(that was central in “The Day After” story) in the former missile fields. The silo is imploded now.
Is that the one that shoots off next to the farmhouse?
Right. I did not realize how close that farmhouse is to that missile silo. Living right next to a bullseye.
Ataturk is turning over in his grave. His life’s work destroyed
Yeah, I have that movie too. They definitely got the chilling effect down, of the flesh vaporized off the skeleton (before they’d go too, probably only microseconds later). Sobering. Look at this passage from Zechariah, and of course, the weapons we have now (including Israel of course):
Zechariah 14:12 KJV
And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
Some of those shots looked like Vandenberg test footage (of course it was test footage) of the MMIII’s.
I love the footage of the B-58 in “Fail Safe”. They snuck out to a SAC base, as the story goes, and filmed one B-58 taking off. It’s the same plane, shown multiple times, for all the planes in Group 6 (think it was Group 6 IIRC). SAC wouldn’t officially let them shoot a B-58 as the story goes.
What was the actual yield of the biggest weapon the B-58 carried? Surely not the 20-megaton, I think, the movie claimed.
I’m sure you’re also seen the (quite imperfect, of course) “By Dawn’s Early Light”.
Who is going to depend on the US for their security. You will see many of our former allies striking out on their own, making pacts with the devil to secure their futures. And Emperor Obama could care less, he thinks the US is the root of evil in the world anyway.
“Persia (Iran), Put (Libya) and the house of Togarmah (Turkey I am thinking). Ezekiel 38:5-6.”
Yep.
The B-58 crews were elite, hand-picked from other strategic bomber squadrons. It carried 4 × B-43 or B61 nuclear bombs; maximum weapons load was 19,450 lb. The explosive yield of a B-43 bomb varied from 70 kilotons of TNT to 1 megaton of TNT.
In “The Day After” they did use stock footage of Minuteman Missile launches and used footage from a PBS documentary called “First Strike”.
No body wants to wind up like Iran.
Axis of Islamofascists, let Israel form alliance with the Kurds, who may be the offsprings of the Khazar Jews.
It only takes one nuclear bomb to let Turkey to cease to exist.
On the other hand, the Turks risked the lives of soldiers when US was fighting the Iraq War. They have ignored sovereign soil of Iraq, sending its force to fight US allied Kurds, when US was rebuilding the country.
We may relocate our base to Greek Cyprus for logistics to be delivered to Iraq. We may relocate our base to Bulgaria and Georgia for logistics to be delivered to Afghanistan. The importance of Turkey is no longer what is has been in the past.
.....I have heard something to the effect of Turkey dropping out of NATO, along with a few other nations.....
It can be argued that Turkey was economically ostracized by the Europeans and in effect deemed unacceptable. It is not unreasonable for them to leave NATO when they are not wanted.
The crude attempt at diplomacy by Obama conducted by a woman really has nothing to do with the problem.
As for the Kurds, they are the victims of the partition, split as a people 4 ways in the division of the region into countries without necessarily taking into account tribal/ethnic boundaries. It seems as if they have been fighting everyone over the years (nor do I blame them).
The Armenians have a legitimate beef against the Turks, too, but that was under the Ottoman empire.
If they are still as good fighters as my father claims, they could be as formidable an enemy as a friend.
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we know Bush screwed up the world.... the entire galaxy. I’m waiting for Obama to realign the stars.
We are going to lose Turkey from NATO, Ukraine is going to slip back into the neo-Soviet Union, and we are going to abandon Iraq and Afghanistan for the second time, while disarming and bending backwards for Russia and China. Now if that isn’t stupidity, what is?
Hillary lept into action almost immediately ... firing up BabelFish to get the Turkish translation for "reset". And Barry will be issuing the appropriate apologies forthwith.
Oh, Gee. I forgot that Obama already issued apologies to Turkey -- debased himself / correction / debased America to magnify himself -- in person.
So, that worked to plan, didn't it? At least if the plan is: Make allies think America is so weak they ought to join with her enemies. Which, you know, I'm beginning to think is the plan.
Yes.
Parallels to 1970, when a young Mohammar Gaddhafi kicked us out of Libya, forcing the closure of Wheelus AFB.
A Look at Iran
http://www.truthusa.com/IRAN.html
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