Need I say more?
Posted on 10/27/2009 4:35:00 PM PDT by GoldStandard
A Des Moines girl was suspended after school officials said she violated their weapons policy.
Jazmine Martin, 12, brought an empty shotgun shell to school on Monday, a souvenir from a summer vacation to South Dakota. The shell was empty and had the word "blank" written on the front.
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Insanity!!!!!!!!!!!!
Time to make like a liberal and sue till they moan.
And her mother said she plans to appeal.
Forget that lady! sue the pants off the idiot principle. Not the school district, the principle himself.
As long as she didn’t have a hammer and a nail too, let her go. (I know it sounds like it’s empty)
The story includes four occurrences of the word “empty”.
This stuff is crazy. When I was in grammar school I had a keychain made from a .44 bullet that I got from the Burt Reynolds ranch and, like a lot of other young boys, I carried a pocketknife most all of the time. I probably wouldn’t have made it past 3rd grade nowadays!
Good lord. How stupid, exactly, *ARE* these teachers?
I think it is time to fire any school administrator or employee who is known to have shown, watched or talked about any movie, TV program or novel* that shows or has shown a weapon, or something that looks like a weapon of any kind.
ML/NJ
* Anyone reading Huck Finn anymore?
Maybe it was a reloading demonstration.
My eigth grade son was expelled for the year for giving a fluorescent clear orange, two inch long squirt gun he had found on his way to the bus stop to his girlfriend who was moving away. Somebody saw it in the girls purse as she was checking out of school to leave town. Where’d you get it? My boyfriend. Deputies and idiots, oh my.
I guess providence was trying to tell me something about public schools. He finished in private school.
This kind of idiot bullsh$t has to just stop, period.
I guess bringing the Mauser bayonnet my father brought
back from North Africa during the Torch landings would
be a No-No today.
In my day it was considered a badge of honor.
When I was in seventh grade (during the early Johnson administration), one guy brought in a Lee Loader and supplies for show-and-tell in science class and demonstrated how to load a round.
Once I saw that, I knew what to get my Dad for Christmas.
These government employees never seem to be personally liabel. If the principal loses, it is the TAXPAYERS of Des Moines who will pay.
ML/NJ
Times have apparently changed (and in many ways not for the better - though I’m still annoyed my folks wouldn’t get me an IBM 360 for my bedroom).
It’s scary how prescient George Orwell was.
If she had her chops busted for bringing in a bag of flint arrowheads, that would be one thing. Or if she brought in a peace pipe. Or whatever.
But in today’s environment, when Eagle Scouts are getting suspended for having a pocketknife in the car...and when kids get busted for bringing in water pistols...
...the parents have got to have a serious deficit in the “common sense” department. There is no way that the parents couldn’t have known that, in today’s environment of school district lunacy, that their child wouldn’t have had her chops busted.
Before you flame away, this is not that I agree with the stupid school district policy (I don’t), but c’mon. The parents have got to have some sense. Their kid now has a black mark (a suspension) on her record. Not the parents, who should know better, but the kid.
When I grew up, we all carried pocket knives. We learned archery in gym class. And so on. But the PC schools have gone off the deep end. And risking their daughter’s school record and future opportunities is not the way to get those insane policies changed. And if it wasn’t for a political reason, then they should have their heads examined.
There’s no indication I can see, from reading the article, that her parents knew she was taking the shell to school.
Would have been right toasty in the wintertime.
I really wanted the transistor one, not the old-timey tube console version.
In 1982, everyone in my high school Air Force JROTC class had to teach another cadet how to do something, in a step-by-step manner, in front of the other cadets.
I thought it would be cool to teach a fellow cadet how to break down and reassemble my 12-gauge shotgun. The SMSGT approved my assignment and told me to bring my shotgun to his office, broken down, and he would keep it until it was my turn to teach. At the end of the day, I could retrieve it and take it home.
On my day, I picked a fellow shooter from the class and taught him how to break down and reassemble my shotgun. I received an “A”.
How totally typical of public school management decisions.
“These government employees never seem to be personally liabel. If the principal loses, it is the TAXPAYERS of Des Moines who will pay.”
Sounds like justice to me. I hope the student wins some homes, retirement funds, etc. If enough people feel some real financial pain, then they will stop allowing commies in the local publik skools.
Another member of the VRWC bites the dust! /s
I'm guessing they were a lot cheaper then. I was pricing one today, ouch. I have to come up with at least 200 rounds of .243 for Appleseed and that is some serious coin. Doesn't anybody sell a large economy box?
Heh! I like your thinking.
Some kids at my grade school were not suspended when found a shot gun shell on the playground. They same kids at my grade school were not suspended when they got a rock and started pounding on the shot gun shell. The teacher that found them did get a little spastic when she saw the kids pounding on the shot gun shell. The kids parents were call so the could do some pounding on their kids. Problem solved and no got suspended.
I have no indication that they didn't know, either.
But with "blank" being written on the shell and the mother's warm recollection, "They picked up the shells as souvenirs of that event -- it was wonderful," along with no disclaimer ("She didn't know it wasn't allowed" or "I had no idea..."), I would lean more toward the parent(s) knew.
I know when mine was 12, I knew EVERYTHING she took to and from.
“And risking their daughter’s school record and future opportunities is not the way to get those insane policies changed.”
Has it occurred to you that the parents probably didn’t know beforehand?
Also, even if the publik skool policy is as it is, does that make it right? Or should the parents roll over for the nice commies and allow their child to be wrongly branded AND forgo the financial restitution due her?
“And if it wasn’t for a political reason, then they should have their heads examined.”
Since when did defending one’s child against a wrongful attack become an indicator of mental illness?
“I have no indication that they didn’t know, either. “
Are you really asking for a negative proof? ? ?
And, even though the mother knew where her child got the shell case, correctly called a “hull”, that is no proof she knew the hull went to the publik skool.
I fondly remember bringing in for show and tell my grandpa’s Damascus steel double-barrel shotgun with the exposed hammers. (I think it is called Damascus - the barrel was formed by “wrapping” the steel around it. With lots of fancy engraving too.) Also brought in my Dad’s “deer rifle” to show a more modern weapon (semi-auto).
I was in Kindergarten. Mom drove me to school that day.
The height of our explosive experiences was when we found a half-a-case of old, and I mean OLD, dynamite! We thought we had died and gone to heaven! My dad ran a filling station on the edge of town and it was a favorite gathering place for us kids because there was a large vacant lot out back where we had built our ‘club house’. We had just seen a film in school about the danger of blasting caps so we made off with only the old, decrepit sticks of dynamite. We had no idea what to do with it, but found out if you light it with a match it will burn very brightly, like a flare. We had a ball with that for about 10 minutes and then the effects of breathing all the nitroglycerin in the smoke gave us the horrible headaches you can imagine. It was until years later, when I was working in medicine that I figured out why we got those headaches.
I am firmly convinced we have angels assigned to us. There's no other way to explain that all of us, except one who was shot by his uncle when we were in the sixth grade and two who drowned the same year, made it to 21! There were no grief counselors in those days, just our teachers and our parents who didn't hesitate to point out that all three had died because of simple carelessness and we should take note of what happens when you do something you know has been declared unwise by your elders. It never occurred to anyone that there should be a lawsuit for the three deaths.
That was the original style Lee Loader in which each case had to be pounded into the die with a mallet and then driven back out with said same mallet.
I think it cost me about $10, and 100 primers were 50 cents.
This, of course, was when gasoline was 25 cents a gallon and you could get a decent house for $20000.
You were discussing buying a rifle a month or two ago; is the .243 what you ended up with?
Most of the Appleseed descriptions I’ve seen looked to be oriented primarily to shooting 22LR. Got one of them?
Today, they would have arrested her too, and put you
into child custody.
Yes. I went to Dick's and asked for a .308, but he said the way I was holding it showed him it was too heavy for me, and got that out instead. I can't explain exactly what felt right about the .243, but it did. So I made it through NRA First Steps Rifle a few weeks ago, and Hunter Safety class this weekend, and there's an Appleseed in the beginning of December that's close to me. I have a couple of .22's - one normal one, and one of the cute little take-apart ones. I'm planning to take the normal .22 along, but since the .243 is what I intend to shoot deer with, shouldn't I get in at least some practice with it? At First Steps I fired a whole 10 rounds.
ML/NJ
You should certainly get familiar with the .243, but it would probably be adequate to shoot a few hundred rounds of .22LR for rifle proficiency, then shoot 50 rounds of .243 to get the hang of that one - that way you don’t need to scare up the whole 200 rounds of .243.
Nitrate headaches are like nothing else.
It’s a good thing nothing else happened,
all that sweat was the Nitro leaking out
of the clay binder, a sudden shock and Wham.
Of course just handling the nitro would
give you headaches too.
I went down to a friends basement and there
was a case and a half of really sweaty 40% ditching
dynomight, I convinced him to burn it. Had it gone
off, it would have taken most of his neighborhood
with him.
We used to have lots of fun with it though,
arty stuff mostly, it’s just too bad we didn’t
have digital cameras then.
We had a dinette set of tables and chairs with
full place settings and hot dog buns with a red
stick in each one, blew that up.
Had a larger than lifesize statue of a turbined
wise man, stuffed the head full , blew it up.
Those were the days, you had to have a license but
the stuff was available at country hardwares, mostly
you had to be a land owner, use it to control Beaver
dams etc.
What are those?
Once I was a little older I had a bad streak in my for a little while - 4th grade to 6th grade. Shoplifting, throwing crab apples and snowballs at cars, etc. - nasty little punk. The look on my Dad’s face when I got caught (finally) shoplifting (candy and stuff) was all it took to stop me from ever stealing again.
I tell my kids SOME of those stories, and tell them that if I had done that stuff today I would have been sent to “juvi”. (Where I could learn how to be a nasty big punk). With the obvious warning that that is where they would end up too.
I had to rag on my otherwise very bright son when I was sorting clothes for the wash and pulled out an empty .40 casing from his pants pocket that he had brought to school. Stupid rules, but stupid of him to bring something like that in. He said he just forget about it and wasn’t showing it off, but still.
We did get permission to use some little green army guys (some painted blue and some red) for a diorama on the Revolutionary War!
Just wanted to pass along that all is not completely crazy in the public school world. My daughter got to do that a couple years ago as well. Good times!
I thought they looked sort of like mixers, but not quite.
It never occurred to me they might be “toy mixers”.
Ah, yes. Shut up and get in line.
The .243 will certainly do the job.
Take some time to study deer anatomy
and learn where the lungs and heart underneath
them are located. Generally follow the front
leg up to the first joint then continue
straight up about half way up the body.
The deers leg comes up to a joint then goes
foreward to another joint which joins
the leg to the scapula which is a broad leaf
shaped bone reaching back to the shoulder and held in
place by cartilage much like a collar bone in humans.
the triangular area between the second bone and
scapula is a good place to aim, as I said just
draw a triangle between the scapula and first
leg bone then shoot for the middle of the long
side of the triangle. ( It’s rather like a 4 or a < )
The heart is a good shot but is rather small,
a double lung shot is best. just don’t
hit too far back or you will be in the intestines
and that makes a mess and prolongs the deers
suffering, makes dressing out a gagging affair.
Good luck to you, pay attention to the wind,
and watch your scent.
My 11 year old nephew hunts with a .243 single shot
and has killed two deer so far.
tet.
Here is a good picture of the leg and scapula, showing the
heart lung and spine with the ribs removed for clarity.
the big object is the stomach which you DON’T want to
hit .
Can you see the triangle I’m talking about ?
A heart shot will drop a deer close to the point
of impact if not on the spot, same for lungs.
the only problem with a heart shot is if you get
too far back you are behind the peritenium and
into the stomach and intestines and if low or forward
you are into the leg bones.
The scapula is a very strong bone and while it might
not stop a bullet it will take a lot of the energy out
of it.
See post #31
Also, even if the publik skool policy is as it is, does that make it right?
No.
Or should the parents roll over for the nice commies and allow their child to be wrongly branded
I, at one time, had a 12 year old kid. It was MY responsibility what she did, where she went, and what she had on her. No excuses asked for. It's called being a parent.
AND forgo the financial restitution due her?
What financial restitution? Because the parent wasn't doing her job?
Since when did defending one’s child against a wrongful attack become an indicator of mental illness?
You're right. It just might be defending one's own negligence.
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