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Hotel owner tells Hispanic workers to change names
Associated Press ^ | 10-26-09 | MELANIE DABOVICH

Posted on 10/26/2009 9:16:36 AM PDT by STE=Q

TAOS, N.M. – Larry Whitten marched into this northern New Mexico town in late July on a mission: resurrect a failing hotel.

The tough-talking former Marine immediately laid down some new rules. Among them, he forbade the Hispanic workers at the run-down, Southwestern adobe-style hotel from speaking Spanish in his presence

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: business; hispanic; hotel; spanish
It's a toss-up.

Frankly, I would not like to be told to change my name.(read story)

On the other hand, Larry was just trying to revive a failed business which would, or should, benefit all concerned?

What think you?

STE=Q

1 posted on 10/26/2009 9:16:37 AM PDT by STE=Q
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To: STE=Q

Oh, looks like someone beat me to the punch with this story!

Gotta be fast around here!

STE=Q


2 posted on 10/26/2009 9:19:47 AM PDT by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: STE=Q

Some people have no business being in... ‘er business.


3 posted on 10/26/2009 9:20:28 AM PDT by SonnyBubba
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To: SonnyBubba

Maybe being a tough talking marine didn’t encourage business.


4 posted on 10/26/2009 9:22:41 AM PDT by healy61
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To: STE=Q

Let them keep their names & their failed business.


5 posted on 10/26/2009 9:24:13 AM PDT by skeeter (Pterocarya fraxinifolia)
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To: STE=Q

Whenever I reach tech support or customer service in India, I invariably speak with Skip, Mark, Jennifer or Stephanie. Good Hindu names.


6 posted on 10/26/2009 9:25:23 AM PDT by Salvey
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To: Salvey

Exactly right! I’ve seen the same thing - cracks me up!!


7 posted on 10/26/2009 9:26:09 AM PDT by Clintons Are White Trash (Lynn Stewart, Helen Thomas, Rosie ODonnell, Maureen Dowd, Medea Benjamin - The Axis of Ugly)
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To: STE=Q
Question #1...are the employees in question here legally?
Question #2...do the employees understand and accept that the hotel's in serious trouble?

If the answer to both questions is “yes”,then the new owner/manager could reasonably *request* that they change their names with an explanation of why they're being asked to do so.Any employee who's insulted by the request is free to leave.

8 posted on 10/26/2009 9:38:16 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Question #1...are the employees in question here legally?

In that part of New Mexico, the locals are decidedly unfriendly to illegals.

9 posted on 10/26/2009 9:41:27 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: STE=Q

Expecting his employees to speak English in his presence is reasonable.

Changing their names? That seems rather silly. Visitors to Taos, NM, expect to find people with Spanish names.


10 posted on 10/26/2009 9:46:31 AM PDT by Tax-chick (God is great, and wine is good, and people are crazy.)
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To: Tax-chick

Hola, my nombre is Scissors Sleeem.


11 posted on 10/26/2009 9:49:13 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: STE=Q
Doesn't sound as if he's changing their names, only Americanizing (if you will) the pronunciation of them. We do that all the time with place names, i.e., "Moscow," not "Moskva," "Cologne," not Koln (sorry, don't know how to do umlauts).

If you've ever been on the phone with someone who reels off a long, many-parted full Spanish name, complete with the rolling "R's," you're likely to understand his position. [N.b., I would make a special exception for "Jesus" [;^).)

12 posted on 10/26/2009 9:51:42 AM PDT by dorothy (“Wisdom cries out loud in the streets, she raises her voice in the squares…" Proverbs 1:20)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

And this is your partner, Razor Roughneck.

The gentleman in the article would probably want you to introduce yourself as “Tim.”


13 posted on 10/26/2009 9:53:42 AM PDT by Tax-chick (God is great, and wine is good, and people are crazy.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Answer to your first question is that the majority of hispanics in Taos have roots there going back 400 years. So yes, they more than likely are here just as legally as you are.
Answer to your second question. This moron moved to Northern New Mexico, he is the outsider here. Demanding that employees change their names to sound more anglo is not only insulting, it’s ignorant. This jackass should have done some research on the area before he moved there.
New Mexico is a very unique place. The blending of Anglo, Spanish and Indian culture make it that way. We resent outsiders who come in and try to change it. I say we because I was born and raised in Northern New Mexico and I am also one of those people who can trace their roots 400 years to the original Spanish settlers.


14 posted on 10/26/2009 9:54:29 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: STE=Q; Tennessee Nana

Yup, ‘kay. Jose Santos, your name is now Sven Johannssen.


15 posted on 10/26/2009 9:57:15 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: STE=Q
Hotel owner tells Hispanic workers to change names

16 posted on 10/26/2009 9:57:51 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: sean327

This dude better hope his car doesn’t break down in Tierra Amarilla. ;)


17 posted on 10/26/2009 10:00:13 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: STE=Q
He should have done some advance work about the history of the place. Most folks come there precisely BECAUSE of that history, which is not Mexican, by the way, it's European Spanish or Native American. He could have instituted some of his changes, without pushing the gringo attitude.

I don't have a problem with his requiring employees to speak English in his presence. I draw the line at making them change their names. I'm sure folks coming to stay at the hotel couldn't give a rat's rear end if the lady who cleans there room is called 'Maria' instead of Mary, or the man at the desk is names 'Marcos' instead of Mark.

18 posted on 10/26/2009 10:04:18 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I;m sure his mug is plastered on every gas pump in town by now.


19 posted on 10/26/2009 10:04:41 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Newcomers to the state should be reminded that:

"All calculations based on experience elsewhere, fail in New Mexico." --Governor Lew Wallace, Territorial Governor of New Mexico from 1878 - 1881

20 posted on 10/26/2009 10:09:31 AM PDT by Vieja
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To: STE=Q
Sounds like he's running his business based upon his personal feelings. Believe me, there's been plenty of times I've been shopping at Wal-Mart or similar store and I grind my teeth at all the damned Spanish I hear. Sometimes I wonder if I'm shopping in Illinois or Tijuana.

Regardless, implementing such policies as a matter of employment is just bad business and is likely to bring legal action against him.

21 posted on 10/26/2009 10:11:26 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Hope....Change...Bullsh*t)
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To: STE=Q

Larry is ultimately derived from a Roman or a Latin name. Hispanic names are also derived from latin as well. Looks like he should change his name to a good Anglo-Saxon one like Horsa or Hengist!


22 posted on 10/26/2009 10:14:46 AM PDT by Eternal_Bear (`)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I visited there a few times and got the impression that the culture was unreconstructed 60’s dope smoking hippie.

The culture seemed more authentic out in Mora Co or Raton,
but that when I lived in Santa Fe (yuppie artiste central).


23 posted on 10/26/2009 10:21:21 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: SuziQ
To All:

"He should have done some advance work about the history of the place. Most folks come there precisely BECAUSE of that history, which is not Mexican, by the way, it's European Spanish or Native American. He could have instituted some of his changes, without pushing the gringo attitude."

I agree, he obviously did no, or poor research, at best.

STE=Q

24 posted on 10/26/2009 10:27:34 AM PDT by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: sean327

“I say we because I was born and raised in Northern New Mexico and I am also one of those people who can trace their roots 400 years to the original Spanish settlers.”

We may be cousins! My family is from Belen south of Albuequerque. I live in California now, but my heart lives near the Isleta Pueblo where my Abuela taught gradeschool many decades ago. We visit often.

You are brave to explain our cultural heritage. I find most Americans don’t understand their own American history and lump New Mexicans in with Mexicans even though we speak a dialect and are not culturally the same.

Transplants to New Mexico should understand that we are just as American as anybody else. My New Mexican uncle suffered through the Bataan Death March and my cousins and uncles have proudly served this country in all our wars (Korea, WWII, Vietnam, Cold War, etc.) since we entered the union. We’ve more than earned our place in this beloved United States and certainly don’t need anyone telling us what names we can call each other.


25 posted on 10/26/2009 10:28:54 AM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: STE=Q
"I've been working 24 years in Texas and we have a lot of Spanish people there.

I've never noticed very many Spanish people here in Texas.

We have a ton of Mexicans but hardly any Spaniards.

26 posted on 10/26/2009 10:30:52 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Owl558
I transplanted to New mexico 10 moths ago, I love it.

I have also told my relatives in Indiana, that natives here have pictures of their kids in uniform at the cash register and those I now know and have befriended are some of the most patriotic and good people I have ever met.........I love this place.

27 posted on 10/26/2009 10:34:17 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Owl558

My family is from Bernalillo. I go home as often as I can.
I love early Aug and Christmas in Bernalillo. Aug for the Fiesta de San Lorenzo. When I was a kid the Sandoval County Sheriff’s Posse would reenact The Entrada de Coronado the night before the Fiesta. They stopped doing it about ten years ago. Some friends and I have talked about bringing it back, maybe we can pull it off.
As for Christmas I only have 2 words: Tamales, and Posole!


28 posted on 10/26/2009 10:48:28 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: rahbert

In Taos proper you’re on the mark, outside of town it’s a different world.


29 posted on 10/26/2009 11:01:39 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: Kakaze

Bless you and your kind words. To me, the place is unique amongst the 50-states, as you have discovered.


30 posted on 10/26/2009 11:20:31 AM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: sean327

“Entrada de Coronado”

I’ll wear the Coronado costume, but will probably fall off the horse. For us, the celebration not to miss was the carrying of the Virgin to the Santuario de Chimayo.

“Tamales, and Posole!”

We eat them every year, my friend. My uncles send us the chilis from home. And don’t forget the sopapillas.... mmmm...sopapillas. I have yet to find them here in Calif.


31 posted on 10/26/2009 11:29:26 AM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: STE=Q

To buy a $2,000,000 hotel property, he put down several hundred thousand.

IOW he has a lot of money at stake. And times are tough in the travel business.

Another buyer would have done smarter analysis of why previous owners failed with this hotel. Location? Prices? Amenities? Condition of rooms? Marketing?

I doubt the hotel failed because Martin pronounced his name “marteen.”

Apparently this guy thouight so, however.


32 posted on 10/26/2009 11:41:28 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: sean327

Heh, I hadn’t seen your post before I made my comment. GMTA!


33 posted on 10/27/2009 10:05:50 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Owl558
I find most Americans don’t understand their own American history and lump New Mexicans in with Mexicans even though we speak a dialect and are not culturally the same.

Too sadly true! I read an interesting book last year, A Voyage Long and Strange written by Tony Horwitz, a Columbia Univ. graduate of History, who only learned, long after he'd left school, that there had actually been Spanish explorers in the mainland US, through the Southeast from Florida, and up into the Midwest from Mexico, well before the settlers landed at Plymouth Rock!

I was flabbergasted that he, an Ivy League graduate, hadn't learned what I did in my S. Mississippi high school!! Was he not paying attention when they mentioned Ponce de Leon, Coronado, or the Spanish priests building their missions up the California coastline, or even the Viking villages in what are now the Maritime Provinces of Canada? Was that NOT taught in his high school? It certainly didn't say much for his History degree, if he'd never learned about those early explorers to the US, even in that vaunted institution of higher education.

34 posted on 10/27/2009 10:18:27 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

“I was flabbergasted that he, an Ivy League graduate, hadn’t learned what I did in my S. Mississippi high school!!”

I think it’s because US history is taught from an eastern perspective. In your part of the world (Mississippi) you had Spanish and French influences, which the eastern states never had. Because the historical portrayal is from the easterners moving west perspective, this rich nuance is overlooked (with the exception of Cajuns/Arcadians getting a mention from time to time).

Then again, I could be full of it. All I know for sure is that I gave up trying to explain my New Mexican heritage to people a long time ago. Instead, I tell them to visit Santa Fe or Taos to experience the magic first-hand.


35 posted on 10/27/2009 12:44:37 PM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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