Posted on 10/26/2009 8:34:05 AM PDT by pissant
The feeble pulse of moderation in the Republican Party is in danger of flat-lining in the Nov. 3 Congressional election in upstate New York. Luminaries like Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich have taken opposing sides over whether the party dare tolerate the official Republican candidate in the 23rd district — Dede Scozzafava, a six-term assemblywoman whose record includes refreshing tinges of centrism.
Ms. Scozzafava was nominated by local party leaders as eminently electable despite — or because of — her defense of women’s abortion rights and her tolerant views on same-sex marriage.
She is already shunned by many more ideologically narrow House Republicans, and deep-pocketed right-wing purists, pouring in hundreds of thousands of dollars, have driven up the poll numbers of Douglas Hoffman on the Conservative line. Barely noticed in the intramural scrum is the Democratic candidate, Bill Owens. He could profit most from the three-way split in the heavily Republican district, which was vacated by John McHugh, the G.O.P. moderate appointed secretary of the Army by President Obama.
Helping to elect the Democrat is not the aim of ambitious conservatives like Ms. Palin, last year’s vice presidential nominee, who is now intent on building a national constituency. She pronounced Scozzafava’s candidacy unacceptable because it “blurs the lines,” at least of Ms. Palin’s idea of party orthodoxy. Mr. Gingrich, the former House speaker, nostalgic for the G.O.P.’s “big tent” fantasy days, disagreed.
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When we want our enemies advice, we will call you. Until then do not waste our time.
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Also, perhaps those of us who donated to the RNC or RCCC should ask for our money back so we can support the conservative candidates of our choice.
| From the desk of cc2k: |
Candidates I support: Doug Hoffman for Congress, NY 23rd (PayPal), David Harmer for Congress, CA 10th (website for info). Please, spread the word about these important special elections on November 3, 209: New York’s 23rd congressional district and California’s 10th congressional district. |
We aren’t torching the big tent. Just tossing tear gas inside and shooting any RINOs that run out.
Figures that the NYT would love Scuzzabama, who’s not even a moderate but a full-on liberal DIABLO.
Can you imagine the NYT writing in support of a conservative along these lines: "her defense of a baby's right to life and her tolerant views on traditional marriage."
IOW, the usual Albany hack.
In a smaller tent, we stand closer togetherWhat is important for conservatives is to hold to their principles and values. The GOP can win our votes if they support those principles and values. If they wander from that, they risk defeat. It is not us who are handing this seat to the Dems. It is the GOP who does this by nominating candidates who can not win.
I would like to see a Hoffman victory in NY23, but a resounding defeat for Scozzafava (which looks very likely) would still send the message. If Hoffman beats her by a good margin, it will be obvious that it was Scozzafava taking votes away from a candidate that could have won.
| From the desk of cc2k: |
Candidates I support: Doug Hoffman for Congress, NY 23rd (PayPal), David Harmer for Congress, CA 10th (website for info). Please, spread the word about these important special elections on November 3, 209: New York’s 23rd congressional district and California’s 10th congressional district. |
Newt and the NY Slimes are supporting the same candidate!
And Newt is thinking about running in 2012...
When the New York Times comes out for the NRCC’s candidate, you can be pretty sure there is something rotten at the NRCC.
Well if the NY Times is “concerned” you can pretty much bet it’s the right path for us. I won’t hold my breath but this should tell the party “elite” (aka dead wood) they’re headed in the wrong direction. Like Rush says, the left will always tell us who our candidate is by who they’re most afraid of.
Cindie
newt keeps mistakenly preaching that this was a LOCAL election from the people, it was a unilaterally decision by a handful of party bosses - Newt, correct yourself.
Newt supports the BOSSES because he wants their support for President in 2012.
Newt doesn’t understand the grassroots is rebelling against this smoke filled room style of politics.
Newt - you look foolish here.
Once again, Pinch lies. Dede isn’t a conservative with moderate social views. Dede is a liberal with moderate economic views. She belongs in the Democratic Party.
Oh, please let it be so, nationwide.
The Slimes is desperately interested in the GOP, not.
The ringer GOP that backstabbs the conservatives that would prevail in these Congressional contests, that's what the NY Slime worry for.
But the good news is the record low for subscriptions and the record high for losses.
The Red newspaper remains in the red.
He is a leftist loon ! Pinch calls the murder of 50 million innocent Americans "centrism".
I wonder if the NY Times would view a Dem candidate who was against cap and trade, against health care reform, and against abortion as demonstrating refreshing tinges of centrism. Scuzzy is only a centrist to those on the far left.
Refreshing tinges of far left liberalism.....There fixed it.
This kind of reminds me of all of the "advice" the left was lending the GOP after last year's elections - that they need to be more "centrist" in order to be "relevant". What a joke.
Well, you have to understand, the “center” for the New York Times is somewhere between Chairman Mao and Bill Clinton.
Note where lies "centrism" on the NYT's sliding scale.
Funny how they never seek centrism or moderation from the democrats.
This confirms my theorum that the media DEFINE centrism as wherever the RAT party is on the political spectrum at any given time. The NYT would no doubt consider Mao a centrist.
The problem with the “big tent” is that there isn’t any room for anyone who leans conservative.
I'm still waiting to see their article extolling the blue dogs for having some concerns about the host of health care legislation.
Mrs. Palin, tear down that tent!!!!
Another FReeper once said that around election time the RINOs step outside the big tent and shake hands, invite us inside, offer to feed us and ask us to vote for their guy.
After the vote they make us feel like we’ve overstayed our welcome and point us toward the door.
In off years the only time they see us is when they step outside to chuck rocks at us.
As a Ron Paul supporter, I can relate.
Whether Hoffman wins or loses in NY, I hope the GOP gets the message: We will not sit by and just take whatever RINO they put on the ticket.
Young, vibrant, enthusiastic Ron Paul supporters packed a Hillsborough County Republican "meet-the-candidates" event at a Nashua golf course, in order to hear Rep. Paul talk about sound money, shrinking the size and reach of government, and obeying the Constitution, and you should have seen the grey-haired party stalwarts seethe at having to put up with it. Especially when the airplane towing the Ron Paul banner began circling overhead.
I didn’t realize that Newt had moved to upstate NY. If he hasn’t, perhaps he should take his own advice, and butt out.
Pot calling Kettle.
Considering he involved himself he has no room to speak. Neither does the Republican Leadership since their advice was consulted for this “local” race.
“refreshing tinges of centrism”.
You know when the NY Times likes a candidate, that’s someone who votes with liberals.
Regretably, the NY Times’ ink-laden advice lacks utility even when viewed through the lens of pet bird droppings.
Oh, Pinchy, oh, Pinchy, oh, yeah, baby, you’re hittin’ that sweet spot. C’mon, baby. Hit me again.
Exactly.
Newt should take Dee Dee to his own district if he likes her politics that much.
It is heart warming to see that the Times is worried about the direction of the GOP. They better start worrying about their bottom line.
By the way, this is how the House is supposed to work: a local candidate represents the local interests of the local electorate. The ideals that the Times finds so abhorrent are in fact the local sentiment.
This is how it is supposed to work in a representative republic. I dare say that the sentiments of the constituents of Pelosi are not shared by the majority of Americans, but that is how it works!
How many times have we heard this crap down through the years?? The Republicans must have a big tent and support Scranton or Rockefeller over Goldwater in ‘64, Ford over Reagan in ‘76, Bush over Reagan in ‘80, Dole over Buchanan in ‘96, McCain over Bush in ‘00, Specter over Toomey in ‘04, McCain over Romney et al in ‘08.
It gets tedious. When Republicans run as conservatives (other than in ‘64), they win, 68, 72, 80, 84, 88, 00, and 04, they win. When they run as moderates, 60, 76, 92, 96, and 08, they lose.
Big surprise that the democrats and their mouthpieces love the moderate big tenters!
Actually, cc2k, it's "In a small tent, we stand closer." Tagline Material courtesy of UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
(adopts Bubba accent) Well, now, that all depends on what your definition of "refreshing" is...
I’m not a Ron Paul supporter but I’m not one to attack him for being right about a great many things.
good point
They correctly call McHugh a Moderate, but then call DeDe a “centrist” (actually, they just say she has hints of centrist leanings, suggesting she is more to the right). Centrist to them means abortion rights, apparently, even though half the country opposes those rights, and a vast majority opposes the unfettered right to abortion that DeDe supports.
McHugh was no conservative, but he was much more conservative than DeDe. If the nyt knows McHugh was a moderate, they know that DeDe is a “liberal republican”. However, the MSM never uses the term “liberal republican”, just as they never use the term “liberal democrat”.
They also won’t use “progressive republican”, because that’s too “positive” a word from their point of view, so they use “moderate” and “centrist”., while they use “progressive” for far-left democrats, and “moderate” for ordinary left-wing democrats.
The logic of my tag is obvious.
The Dem “big tent” is gays, race, peace, environment, immigration, unions, atheists etc.
But it is really a small tent because if you are gay, you must also be green, pacifist, pro-affirmative action, amnesty....
If you are in a Dem group, you must support all of them, even if they are detrimental to one another (i.e. unions vs. illegal immigrants or race - Blacks are mostly religious - vs. gays and atheists)
The Republican “Big Tent” is economic, security and social conservatives.
There is no necessary conflict between them.
So it is not too much to expect them to squeeze together in a “smaller tent” and start supporting each other like the Dems do.
And if they don’t support all three, ask for their support but for God’s sake, don’t elect them.
Wonder if she and Rahm have each other's phone numbers?
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