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'Force will determine Jerusalem's fate'
JPost ^ | Oct 25, 2009 19:37 | Updated Oct 25, 2009 21:47 | JPOST.COM STAFF AND ABE SELIG

Posted on 10/25/2009 2:25:03 PM PDT by sofaman

Following a day of clashes between security forces and Arab rioters in Jerusalem, Damascus-based Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal on Sunday evening stated that the fate of the capital would be determined by force, not negotiations.

"The fate of Jerusalem will be determined only by confrontation and not by the negotiating tables," Mashaal said in a speech, according to Channel 10.

"The Israelis want to divide al-Aqsa Mosque, and this is not all. They want to hold their religious ceremonies in the mosque … in preparation for demolishing it and building their temple there," he reportedly said.

Israel is interested in handling the Jerusalem issue unilaterally so that it is not included in negotiations with the Palestinians, Masha'al claimed.

"Jerusalem is all of Jerusalem, not only [the east Jerusalem neighborhood of] Abu-Dis. The Arabs and Muslims are [the city's] residents, and the Zionists have no claim over it," he said.

"I call for angry protests in Palestine and in the Arab world. Today, protests began in [the] Gaza [Strip], and we hope they will spread to the West Bank. It is important for there to be a united Palestinian position. We must send a message to the world: In light of the settlements and actions in Jerusalem, there are no negotiations and we must rethink our steps," the Hamas leader concluded.

Also on Sunday evening, Jordan warned Israel against "provocative behavior" in the city, saying continued violence could "derail all opportunities of peace and stability in the region."

"Any new provocative attempts by Israeli troops and Jewish extremists such as what happened today in the shrine's compound represents a flagrant violation of international law and conventions and sets the stage for more tension and acts of violence," Jordanian Minister for Media Affairs and Communication Nabil Sharif was quoted by the UAE-based Khaleej Times as saying in a statement.

"Jordan, out of its historical responsibilities in being the custodian of the holy places in Jerusalem, is extremely worried about what is taking place and warns against going ahead with this provocative behavior on the part of Israeli troops," he reportedly added.

According to the report, Sharif urged "an immediate end to such dangerous practices which threaten to derail all opportunities of peace and stability in the region".

Nine police officers were lightly injured and 21 rioters arrested, during clashes that broke out between Arabs and police on the Temple Mount, in the alleyways of the Old City's Muslim Quarter and east Jerusalem in a fresh round of violence that threatened to keep already-heightened tensions in the capital simmering.

A female Australian journalist was also injured during Sunday's unrest when she was struck in the head with a rock, apparently after being caught between rioters and security forces at an entrance to the Temple Mount in the Old City's Muslim Quarter. She was treated at the scene.


TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hamas; holyland; israel; jerusalem; jordan

1 posted on 10/25/2009 2:25:03 PM PDT by sofaman
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AP caption:"Masked Palestinian youths throw stones at Israeli policemen, not seen, during clashes in the Arab neighborhood of Ras Al Amud in east Jerusalem, Sunday, Oct. 25, 2009. Israeli forces stormed the Jerusalem's holiest shrine, known to Jews as the Temple Mount and to Muslims as the Noble Sanctuary, Sunday, firing stun grenades to disperse hundreds of Palestinian protesters who were pelting them with stones."

2 posted on 10/25/2009 2:27:25 PM PDT by sofaman (To be or not to be is not a question of compromise. Either you be or you don't be. - Golda Meir)
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To: sofaman

Armageddon.

Islam has no right to anything in Israel and especially not in Jerusalem. They made up the story about Jerusalem so that they could contaminate it with their filth.


3 posted on 10/25/2009 2:27:38 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (Abortion-Euthanasia kills the very people for whom Social Justice is needed.)
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To: sofaman

“The fate of Jerusalem will be determined only by confrontation...”

Duh


4 posted on 10/25/2009 2:31:08 PM PDT by rae4palin
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To: sofaman
“The Israelis want to divide al-Aqsa Mosque, and this is not all. They want to hold their religious ceremonies in the mosque … in preparation for demolishing it and building their temple there,” he reportedly said.

Incredible provocation on the part of Israel at this time.

5 posted on 10/25/2009 2:33:19 PM PDT by charles1252
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Caption by MSLSD:

"A Palestinian man tries to extinguish a fire that started after youths threw a petrol bomb during clashes with Israeli police in Jerusalem's Old City October 25, 2009. Israeli police fired stun grenades at Arab youths who threw rocks at them in the compound of Jerusalem's flashpoint al-Aqsa mosque in the Old City on Sunday, Israeli and Palestinian officials and witnesses said."

6 posted on 10/25/2009 2:33:34 PM PDT by sofaman (To be or not to be is not a question of compromise. Either you be or you don't be. - Golda Meir)
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To: charles1252

You forgot your sarcasm tag ... I hope, for your sake


7 posted on 10/25/2009 2:34:32 PM PDT by sofaman (To be or not to be is not a question of compromise. Either you be or you don't be. - Golda Meir)
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To: charles1252
"Sunday's disturbances were rooted in calls from Muslim leaders for their followers to protect the Islamic sites from what they said were Israeli plots to damage them or let Jews pray in the compound. There was no evidence to support either claim." AP

You were saying?

8 posted on 10/25/2009 2:42:00 PM PDT by sofaman (To be or not to be is not a question of compromise. Either you be or you don't be. - Golda Meir)
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To: charles1252
Incredible provocation on the part of Israel at this time.

Imagine if it were true. Gullible newbie alert.

9 posted on 10/25/2009 2:45:43 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (Truth--The liberal's Kryptonite)
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To: sofaman
"The fate of Jerusalem will be determined only by confrontation and not by the negotiating tables," Mashaal said in a speech

I find myself in the uncomfortable position of agreeing with the old goat buggerer. It WILL be decided by force, and Mashaal's side isn't going to like the outcome. Not one bit.


10 posted on 10/25/2009 2:46:14 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Hope....Change...Bullsh*t)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I noticed that ... also interesting, throws a “bomb” and then won’t answer questions or criticisms. Fodder for the Viking Kittie methinks ...


11 posted on 10/25/2009 2:46:51 PM PDT by sofaman (To be or not to be is not a question of compromise. Either you be or you don't be. - Golda Meir)
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To: sofaman

the Zionists have no claim over it," he said.

Dude, the Jews BUILT Jerusalem.

The Quran never even mentions Jerusalem by name. Muslims believe Muhammad was carried there by a mythical winged creature called the 'baraq' and was assumed into heaven, after praying at the spot where the Dome of the Rock is built. Their percieved claim over a city where their 'prophet' never stood is based on an event that never happened. Islam is such a ridiculous "religion."
12 posted on 10/25/2009 2:47:33 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (A penny saved is a penny paid in taxes)
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To: reagan_fanatic

I’m wondering what there is in Mashaal’s statement that would lead Obama, Clinton, George Mitchell or for that matter BJC, George Dubya & the State Dept in Heaven knows how many administrations to conclude that there is any possibility for peace in the ME?


13 posted on 10/25/2009 2:50:36 PM PDT by sofaman (To be or not to be is not a question of compromise. Either you be or you don't be. - Golda Meir)
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To: sofaman

“Sunday’s disturbances were rooted in calls from Muslim leaders for their followers to protect the Islamic sites from what they said were Israeli plots to damage them or let Jews pray in the compound. There was no evidence to support either claim.” AP

I’m glad to see the last sentence above.


14 posted on 10/25/2009 2:51:13 PM PDT by charles1252
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To: HighlyOpinionated

Indeed.

The threshing floor on Mt Moriah was offered to King David for FREE for use as the Temple Mount. King David, however, not wanting to take it for nothing away from its original owner, paid a handsome sum and recorded the deed in the chronicles of his kingdom which later became part of the Canon of Jewish Scripture, and after that, part of the Christian “Old Testament” as well. This same procedure occured in Hebron with Abraham, as he legally purchased and recorded the deed for the Cave of Machpelah as a final resting place for him and his family. I have been to BOTH DEEDED PROPERTIES. BOTH have been usurped by mosques. In Hebron, the mosques contains the actual GRAVES of Abraham, his wife Sarah, Isaac (NOT ISHMAEL!!) and Rebekkah, Leah, and her husband Jacob, who was renamed ISRAEL! It is very hard to deny that the mosque is squatting on someone else’s PROPERTY!

As far as I know, those documents have never been rescinded. LOL


15 posted on 10/25/2009 2:52:54 PM PDT by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: sofaman

No, Muslim moron, Jerusalem’s fate is determined by Almighty God (not your pagan moon-god). And Jerusalem’s fate is to become the capital of the world
when Messiah returns in power and glory.


16 posted on 10/25/2009 2:55:49 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: sofaman

More proof that Islam is the Faith of Hate and the Cult of Insanity.

And we have a large number of anti-Semites here in the USA who support IslamoFascism


17 posted on 10/25/2009 2:59:30 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (The Return of America)
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To: charles1252
Well here's a "heads-up", Mashaal lies continuously and effortlessly. There isn't a truth in anything he says. If ever there was an animal that deserved a Stinger missile up his Suez Canal, it is this dirtbag.

The "Palestinian" fraud, is just that, a lie propagated by the Moslem world, and uttered so many times that it is now accepted as fact by the international community.

The acceptance of a "Palestinian" people with a "right" to areas of the West Bank or Gaza, is the ultimate manifestation of Jew hatred. This has never been an Israeli/ Palestinian problem. This is Jew hatred in all it's ugliness.

18 posted on 10/25/2009 3:03:02 PM PDT by sofaman (To be or not to be is not a question of compromise. Either you be or you don't be. - Golda Meir)
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To: sofaman
ESAU, EDOM AND THE PALESTINIAN ARAB EAGLE
19 posted on 10/25/2009 3:25:57 PM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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20 posted on 10/25/2009 3:42:48 PM PDT by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: sofaman

Public consumption. Even the stupidest of politicians knows there will never be peace in the Mideast until one side completely wipes the other side out militarily.


21 posted on 10/25/2009 3:59:32 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Hope....Change...Bullsh*t)
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To: beethovenfan

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!


22 posted on 10/25/2009 4:06:45 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: sofaman

Wrong again! God Himself will determine Jerusalem’s fate. In fact He already has. Hint - the muzzies lose.


23 posted on 10/25/2009 4:10:12 PM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: sofaman; Old Sarge

and note the sign up date. SNIFF


24 posted on 10/25/2009 4:12:05 PM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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check out #5 and sign up date. Methinks we have a live one here.


25 posted on 10/25/2009 4:16:22 PM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: charles1252

The land belongs to Israel. It was theirs long before anyone ever invented the word Palestinian. Israel is about the size of Kentucky surrounded by a sea of Arabs. If the arabs were so concerned about their brothers, why dont THEY provide a place for them? They have the land.
Again keep in mind the land BELONGED to Israel LOOOOOOOOONG before the Palestinians were even thought of.


26 posted on 10/25/2009 4:22:18 PM PDT by Snurple (VEGETARIAN, OLD INDIAN WORD FOR BAD HUNTER.)
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To: left that other site

....And it is ALL written down in THE BOOK.


27 posted on 10/25/2009 5:29:48 PM PDT by Biggirl (In Memory Of Jasper Howard (1989-2009),RIP UConn #6 =^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: Snurple

Plus there is land that was set aside in the first place called JORDAN.


28 posted on 10/25/2009 5:31:53 PM PDT by Biggirl (In Memory Of Jasper Howard (1989-2009),RIP UConn #6 =^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: beethovenfan

Yeah but it will eventually be replaced by a heavenly new Jerusalem. That one Islam will have no say at all regarding.


29 posted on 10/25/2009 5:34:32 PM PDT by xp38
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To: Biggirl

“....And it is ALL written down in THE BOOK.’

Yes, Biggirl, I keep reading it over and over, and it’s ALL there! :-)


30 posted on 10/25/2009 5:41:46 PM PDT by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: xp38

I agree.


31 posted on 10/25/2009 6:05:55 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: left that other site

And the Registrar is very protective of His peoples’ property rights.


32 posted on 10/25/2009 10:16:37 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("When France chides you for appeasement, you know you're scraping bottom." --Charles Krauthammer)
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To: sofaman

I’ve sometimes wondered why Israel lets Mashaal live. Possibly it’s the old “3-level gunner / 9-level gunner” principle.


33 posted on 10/25/2009 10:19:48 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("When France chides you for appeasement, you know you're scraping bottom." --Charles Krauthammer)
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To: sofaman

Jewish “extremists”? Hamas is talking about extremism, and derailing chances for piece? Whom do they think they’re kidding?


34 posted on 10/26/2009 5:52:49 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (www.publishedauthors.net/benmaxwell/index.html, http://sites.google.com/site/thevuzvuz/)
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To: charles1252
Well, if you'll read the story in the Old Testament, had the Israelites believed Joshua and Caleb, they would own all the land from the Mediterranean Sea to what is currently called the Persian Sea, currently called the Arabic Sea, and the Red Sea. And all that oil would belong to its rightful owners . . . the Hebrews, the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
35 posted on 10/31/2009 1:11:46 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (Abortion-Euthanasia kills the very people for whom Social Justice is needed.)
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To: sofaman
KATZ: HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN!!
KATZ: DESTRUCTION ARE ON THE WAY TO YOU.
36 posted on 10/31/2009 1:16:42 PM PDT by RichInOC (HA HA HA HA....)
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To: reagan_fanatic
Even the stupidest of politicians knows there will never be peace in the Mideast until one side completely wipes the other side out militarily.

Which is why I continue to believe that "Muhammadanism" should have died out with Muhammad's death. Sorry that it didn't. It's a corruption of some of the Torah with pagan and self-serving screed. It is a very dangerous cult and lacks any redeeming value. It is Satanic and not just the verses. Why would any thinking person, any educated person, believe in a "religion" that never left the 7th Century while they're living in the 21st Century? The only way is for the people to be kept in 7th Century abject poverty, living in caves, mud-brick hovels, etc. It's a mental illness to be a believer in Muhammadanism.
37 posted on 10/31/2009 1:20:19 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (Abortion-Euthanasia kills the very people for whom Social Justice is needed.)
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