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Co-pilot: No Sleeping or Arguing in Cockpit
CNN ^ | 10/24/09 | CNN

Posted on 10/24/2009 7:30:19 PM PDT by Yaelle

(CNN) -- The co-pilot of a Northwest Airlines flight that overshot the Minneapolis, Minnesota, airport by 150 miles says he and the pilot weren't asleep and they weren't arguing.

However, Richard I. Cole, who spoke to CNN affiliate KGW-TV from his Salem, Oregon, home, wouldn't say much more Friday. He said an investigation will reveal what took place.

After repeatedly saying he couldn't talk about the case, Cole said that contrary to media reports, "Nobody was asleep in the cockpit. No arguments took place.

"But other than that, I cannot tell you anything that went on because we're having hearings this weekend, we're having hearings on Tuesday. All that information will come out then."

(Video of co-pilot at his front door at link too.)

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cockpit; denial; pilot; wayward
What the heck was it, then? A gay quickie? A subdued terrorist? Did they unplug the cockpit extension cord and the power went out? Poison gas? Poppies??
1 posted on 10/24/2009 7:30:19 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

Honestly, 150 miles isn’t much more than a big loop to enter the pattern.


2 posted on 10/24/2009 7:32:40 PM PDT by Beelzebubba (Why not "interpret" your tax returns like the Supreme Court "interprets" the Constitution?)
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To: Yaelle

Republican vs Democrat...maybe they were arguing about Obama politics....that would be interesting.


3 posted on 10/24/2009 7:34:07 PM PDT by Texas4ever (God is in control!)
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To: Yaelle
My guess is that they were playing the license plate game, and the pilot still needed Alaska.

-PJ

4 posted on 10/24/2009 7:35:43 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Comprehensive congressional reform legislation only yields incomprehensible bills that nobody reads.)
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To: Texas4ever

He is pretty vehement that there was NO arguing, if you see the video.

Then why miss all the bells and whistles and normal common sense signals that you need to start descent and land?


5 posted on 10/24/2009 7:37:20 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Political Junkie Too

Maybe one of them was seeking one of the last of the 57 states.


6 posted on 10/24/2009 7:38:14 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

Maybe 150 miles isn’t much, but there was 45 minutes or 76 minutes of radio silence—the story is unclear—before they landed.

I don’t know if that includes flight time toward the airport when there was no attempt at contact, or whether air traffic controllers were unable to establish contact for all that time.

In other words, there’s still some explaining to do before this makes much sense.


7 posted on 10/24/2009 7:42:40 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Yaelle
A bad time to join the mile-high club, maybe?
8 posted on 10/24/2009 7:49:05 PM PDT by badgerlandjim (Hillary Clinton is to politics as Helen Thomas is to beauty.)
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To: Yaelle

steak or fish. ...


9 posted on 10/24/2009 7:49:29 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (I don't have time to Procrastinate)
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To: Yaelle

Where were the stewardesses?


10 posted on 10/24/2009 7:51:05 PM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: Yaelle
The 'quickie' came to mind; sans 'argument/sleep'; what the heck could they both have been occupied with. Bizarro to say the least. Did not catch the names or specifics; they 'are' both males, right?
11 posted on 10/24/2009 7:52:32 PM PDT by cricket
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To: Yaelle

The passengers should demand 300 additional frequent flyer miles.


12 posted on 10/24/2009 8:08:36 PM PDT by BIG_CARBON_FOOT_PRINT
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To: Yaelle

They won’t say because whatever it was, was probably embarrassing as hell.


13 posted on 10/24/2009 8:09:58 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("The Community Organizer better stop bitching that the community is organizing." - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Beelzebubba

I was in a holding pattern into Minneapolis once, and all you could see was Wisconsin farmland down below.


14 posted on 10/24/2009 8:11:25 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("The Community Organizer better stop bitching that the community is organizing." - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Yaelle

Help I can’t find a picture from the movie airplane. Didn’t it have a pong game in the instrument panel when Striker sat down to fly the plane?.


15 posted on 10/24/2009 8:15:37 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (I don't have time to Procrastinate)
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To: Yaelle

Stoned ....

Pilot: what if there was a whole universe in the molecules under your fingernail?

Co-pilot: that means that our universe could be ...

Pilot: molecules in a giant fingernail ....

Co-pilot: far out, man ....

Pilot: hey where are we!?

Co-pilot: oh s**t we should have landed

(etc.)


16 posted on 10/24/2009 8:28:00 PM PDT by jtal
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To: Cicero
I don’t know if that includes flight time toward the airport when there was no attempt at contact, or whether air traffic controllers were unable to establish contact for all that time.

Good question. The contact must have started after no descent occurred? The man did not look embarrassed, either -- COULD this have been any kind of health issue or something?

17 posted on 10/24/2009 8:34:28 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Spunky
Where were the stewardesses?

Now now, there are a lot of men at that job now. Don't be insensitive... ;)

Actually it was a flight attendant who finally got a response out of the cockpit. Since they say the plane was never in jeopardy, I wonder if it was a health issue?

18 posted on 10/24/2009 8:36:30 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: BigSkyFreeper
They won’t say because whatever it was, was probably embarrassing as hell.

You'd think, right? But look at the video. The pilot seems so strong and solid and positive, not at all embarrassed. I think something unforeseeable might have occurred and they said the arguing thing to the passengers off the top of their heads.

19 posted on 10/24/2009 8:39:58 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: ThomasThomas
Classic.
20 posted on 10/24/2009 8:40:18 PM PDT by Wierzbowski
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To: jtal

Maybe they found the balloon boy in there.


21 posted on 10/24/2009 8:41:22 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

Co-Pilot? Damn, that guy looks old.

These characters should never fly again.


22 posted on 10/24/2009 8:58:38 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Yaelle

>>>What the heck was it, then? A gay quickie?

I’d guess something along the lines that they inputted a 9 instead of a 7 and the autopilot flew them where it was told to go, instead of where they wanted to go. Then compounding the negligence by trusting the instruments and not double checking their position.


23 posted on 10/24/2009 9:02:47 PM PDT by tlb
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To: Beelzebubba

Remember, they missed their initial and final descent into the airport. They cruised on over the city at 37,000 feet.

They were a third of the way across Wisconsin when they finally turned around.


24 posted on 10/24/2009 9:04:59 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: Yaelle

Maybe they are gay.


25 posted on 10/24/2009 9:08:46 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: tlb

What about all the calls over the radio, their cell phones, the on-board intercom, etc??


26 posted on 10/24/2009 9:39:59 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

was a smoking hot stewardess involved?


27 posted on 10/24/2009 9:50:06 PM PDT by isom35
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To: Yaelle

It was a secret test to see what the FAA would do.

Some kind of hijack test by the TSA.

They wanted to get on a reality show.


28 posted on 10/24/2009 9:53:44 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (I don't have time to Procrastinate)
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To: cricket

Yup. I think they were joinging the mile high club for gays.


29 posted on 10/24/2009 9:54:20 PM PDT by TNdandelion (I'd rather have FedEx run my healthcare than USPS.)
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To: Beelzebubba

They overshot their destination by 150 miles, but they were out of radio contact for a lot longer than that. True, 150 miles at their speed is a short period of time, however it’s not the 150 miles that’s important but rather their loss of contact. And even if it were the 150 miles, you have to double that, and flying time, to get back to the destination.

This is going to be an interesting one!


30 posted on 10/24/2009 10:06:36 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America, and wake us up while you're about it!)
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To: Cicero

Apparently, not answering for over an hour or about 600 miles of radio silence.


31 posted on 10/24/2009 10:07:05 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Yaelle

Apparently, they were silent for 600 miles even ignoring the company private line as well as other towers and other airplanes trying to reach them on different frequencies..


32 posted on 10/24/2009 10:11:47 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Spunky

They are now called “Flight Attendants”.


33 posted on 10/24/2009 10:15:20 PM PDT by plinyelder
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To: Yaelle
Here's a shot of the lead pilot, just to set the reference point: With speakers up, click HERE.
34 posted on 10/25/2009 12:35:38 AM PDT by jws3sticks (Sarah Palin forever!)
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To: george76

They were “off course” far before their destination. I do not understand how they could have ignored all the communications they were getting.

The copilot said there was no way safety was affected but it does almost sound like an aborted terror attempt (or do I watch too much crime stuff), or maybe some kind of health emergency?

I know pilots do not get enough rest but the copilot interviewed really looked like a serious captain who would not just SLEEP on the plane. Then again, what do I know?


35 posted on 10/25/2009 12:47:04 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle
They were “off course” far before their destination. I do not understand how they could have ignored all the communications they were getting.

Could have been a single numerical error in the autopilot that could have set them way off course.  Looks like a course correction was made over northern New Mexico, as seen from this FlightAware.com map.

Compare it to this flight track on 24-October-2009.

36 posted on 10/25/2009 1:00:31 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("The Community Organizer better stop bitching that the community is organizing." - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Yaelle; All

How the hell can TWO company IPs overshoot their primary destination by 150 miles in an A320 when they likely had 3 VHF radios going, including one on company freq,
... ACARS spitting out messages,
... a full avionics suite with visual and aural annunciators,
... and pax fussing to the flight attendants, who are then calling up on the intercom, yapping as to why they haven't landed yet?

Who was monitoring the fuel status?

Who was monitoring the auto-pilot?

Were they even in the seats? The cockpit ain't that big!


37 posted on 10/25/2009 1:06:10 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Yaelle
Here's a shot of the lead pilot, just to set the reference point: With speakers up, click HERE.
38 posted on 10/25/2009 2:00:02 AM PDT by jws3sticks (Sarah Palin forever!)
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To: TNdandelion
Yup. I think they were joinging the mile high club for gays.

lol. . .would explain at least, the thus far, 'don't ask/don't tell' response to the 'mystery'.

39 posted on 10/25/2009 6:07:55 AM PDT by cricket
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To: Yaelle

They were having sex.


40 posted on 10/25/2009 7:15:45 AM PDT by bmwcyle (We need more Joe Wilson's. OBAMA is ACORN ACORN is OBAMA)
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To: Wierzbowski

Always, always order the lasagna.


41 posted on 10/25/2009 7:29:48 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: george76

The article is a bit confusing, but if so, that is bizarre. They must have been up to something VERY odd.


42 posted on 10/25/2009 10:59:12 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

My guess is that they met with their lawyers.

Deny everything and demand proof .


43 posted on 10/25/2009 11:32:38 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Yaelle

Was this the pilot

Drunk Airline Pilot - Dean Martin & Foster Brooks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8L-ZZSc8JU&feature=fvw


44 posted on 10/25/2009 11:37:56 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Waste and fraud are synonymous with gov't spending)
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To: george76

Since it seems to be in the air this weekend, maybe they were temporarily abducted by space aliens.


45 posted on 10/25/2009 11:38:30 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: BP2

Yikes, it’s smaller than I thought. What the hell happened?? Could there have been some kind of terrorism? Maybe it really was poisoned gases or poppies. ;)


46 posted on 10/25/2009 9:30:00 PM PDT by Yaelle
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