Going Rogue - indeed.
Necessary.
Posted on 10/24/2009 8:51:21 AM PDT by cc2k
Atlanta
Pitting conservative purists against party pragmatists, a growing number of national Republican figures are bucking the party standard and backing a third-party candidate in the sole congressional election scheduled this year, upstate New York’s 23rd congressional district.
Former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, former Senator Rick Santorum, former House Majority Leader Dick Armey, current Minnesota Rep. Michelle Bachmann, former Tennessee Senator and presidential candidate Fred Thompson, and former presidential candidate Steve Forbes have all backed Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman over Republican Dede Scozzafava.
Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty — a potential presidential candidate in 2012 — suggested Friday on ABC News that he’s strongly considering backing Hoffman, as well.
“Our nation is at a crossroads, and this is once again a time for choosing,” Ms. Palin, author of the upcoming book, “Going Rogue,” wrote Thursday on her Facebook page. “This is the game-changer,” added Dick Armey, whose Freedom Works organization has supported the Tea Party movement.
Palin, et al. represent what can only be called the Tea Party insurgency, whose adherents point to mainstream Republicans — including party philosopher Newt Gingrich — and their support of Ms. Scozzafava as another sign that the GOP has strayed from its core principles.
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Doug Hoffman is the Conservative alternative in this race (or Hoffman by PayPal).
Markos Moulitsas, founder of The Daily Kos has endorsed Scozzafava. Dede Scozzafava has also been endorsed by NYSUT, the largest labor union in New York, and an affiliate of the National Education Association.
Scozzafava also holds these positions:
Scozzafava has also run in past elections on the Working Families Party (a progressive party associated with ACORN) line on the ballot.
This lady isn’t a RINO, she is a big “R” libeRal democRat. Mark Steyn has coined the term DIABLO for her and others like her. Democrat In All But Label Only.
There are also at least 17 unprincipled DIABLO enablers in the house who have donated funds or otherwise supported to this LibeRal democRat's DIABLO’s campaign. They include Boehner, Cantor, Sessions, Hensarling, Brown-Waite and McCotter. I don’t have a full list, but I will be looking for it. These unprincipled enablers should be targeted for elimination in the primaries next year.
Also, perhaps those of us who donated to the RNC or RCCC should ask for our money back so we can support the conservative candidates of our choice.
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Scozzafava isna’t a “pragmatist,” she’s a liberal.
So is the race between the R and the C. Is the D even in the race anymore?
Hey, you “pragmatist” RINO Party “leaders”:
If you won’t represent our views.
Don’t claim to speak for us!
We *will* disavow you!
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus
“This is the game-changer,” added Dick Armey”...
In some respects, true. If Hoffman looses, will we be hearing screams about how his supporters divided the party, causing the Dem to win....similar to the rants heard against those who refused to support McCain/Palin? If he wins, hopefully, going forward, we will NOT be subject to such accusations!
In any event, I don’t consider folks like Armey and others who support amnesty, as part of ANY “conservative” party/movement. It would be no different than including McCain.
“Former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, former Senator Rick Santorum, former House Majority Leader Dick Armey, current Minnesota Rep. Michelle Bachmann, former Tennessee Senator and presidential candidate Fred Thompson, and former presidential candidate Steve Forbes have all backed Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman over Republican Dede Scozzafava.”
YES!!!! Strong conservative principles WORK when followed.
I look at the choice as between conservatives vs. RINOs, not pragmatists. Democrat-lite has repeatedly failed for the Republican Party; voters would rather have a real Democrat every time. The conservatives are just trying to get the Republican Party back on track, more like a return to the consistent principles put forth by Ronald Reagan.
The D is leading the race with 33% since the R and C are splitting over 50 percent of the pie.
I’m sure the D will end up losing in the end.
The D is actually winning in the polls as the R and the C are splitting each others votes.
Going Rogue - indeed.
Necessary.
There is a Democrat in the race. And a well financed one at that. Bill Owens is his name, and up through October 14, he was well ahead in the polls and in fundraising. He is slightly to the right of the Republican on the issues, but well to the left of Hoffman and also of John McHugh, the congressman who won this district with 65% of the vote last year.
classified wrote:
So is the race between the R and the C. Is the D even in the race anymore?
The Democrats think this will be a big win if they can pull it off. But Hoffman has a really good chance. His positions on the issues are fairly close to McHugh’s positions. He needs to work, though. All this national attention has been getting him funding to advertise. He also has been rumored to have the best ground game. That might be what it comes down to.
Hoffman really needs to concentrate on his district, though, and let the national attention do what it will. He was criticized earlier in the week because he canceled a local “meet the candidates&rquo; event to go on Glenn Beck’s TV hour. He was wise enough to cancel the Beck interview and make the local appearance. Hoffman also had an interview at a local paper, and wasn’t as up to speed on local issues as they had hoped. He needs to remember, all politics is local.
I think the endorsements he has been getting are an indication that he is moving up in the polls in the districts, though. The published polls are a little stale, even the latest one released was done mostly before the police 911 call incident and Scozzafava’s lies about that event. And there hasn’t been a poll released since Palin’s endorsement. That endorsement helped immensely with funding, but might not be worth much in the polls. I wonder if John McHugh will say anything about this race for his old seat?
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Last stand!
More like an opening salvo!
We need to use the “OBAMA METHOD”: Find out the dirt on the Diablo and insist she step aside......;~)
Sarah was out in front on this one. I hope the Beltway RINOs are quaking in their boots.
The latest poll results from M-W show the following:
Bill Owens (D) 35%
Dede Scozzafava (R) 30%
Doug Hoffman (C) 23%
Undecided 12%
http://oswegocountytoday.com/?p=24306
So it is possible for Doug Hoffman to win just need to peel some support from Scozzafava and for the undecided to split to Doug Hoffman’s favor.
I think it will be very close with Hoffman having a real shot at winning.
Perhaps, perhaps not. It will really depend on where Scozzafava finishes. If she is solidly in third place, well behind Hoffman, then she is the one who pulled votes from a “candidate who could have won.” Conservatives will not likely take a back seat in that case. The “leadership” will either acknowledge that fact, or be faced with the prospect of running RINOs and DIABLOs against conservative third party challengers and losing a lot more.
Kimberly GG wrote:
In some respects, true. If Hoffman looses, will we be hearing screams about how his supporters divided the party,
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I don't think it matters. If Hoffman wins, we all win because we have a real conservative in our House. If Hoffman loses the election, he will have received significant support to show true conservatives are here . . and we want a say in the GOP.
If the Dem wins, it is the same as if the liberal RINO wins. Same same.
Folks, this NOT the only congressional election this year. There is a special election for the 10th congressional district of California between rat John Garamendi and Republican David Harmer. This seat had been held by rat Ellen Tauscher until she joined Zero’s team.
Harmer is within reach and could convert another seat from blue to red. Consider sending your support.
Yup - we need to see how much movement he has made in the next poll.
Do we have any updates on his fund raising?
I get Syracuse TV stations and saw a Club for Growth ad for Hoffman that was aired twice during prime time.
I will grant you that Sarah Palin is leading a big contingent of support. But in the week before she made her endorsement, Hoffman got $210,000 in donations from the internet. Conservative bloggers and others who have been spreading the word by email and even on forums like this have brought Hoffman to life and put him where Sarah noticed him.
norwaypinesavage wrote:
Sarah was out in front on this one. I hope the Beltway RINOs are quaking in their boots.
Also, give some credit to the Thompsons, Dick Armey, Michelle Bachmann, and several others who endorsed Hoffman before Sarah Palin discovered him. Groups like the Club for Growth also deserve some recognition. They were trailblazers as well.
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Does this mean a New York republican is most likely a democrat dressed up as a republican with a democrat clown nose, big gov’t shoes and sad eyes due to the makeup?....
This is the first I have heard of this race. I’m doing a bit more research now. Do you have any info about this to share?
BigBobber wrote:
Folks, this NOT the only congressional election this year. There is a special election for the 10th congressional district of California between rat John Garamendi and Republican David Harmer. This seat had been held by rat Ellen Tauscher until she joined Zero’s team.
Harmer is within reach and could convert another seat from blue to red. Consider sending your support.
Fund raising updates: “The Most Important Number in Politics Today,” reported $210,000 to Hoffman in the week before Sarah Palin’s endorsement. Also, there have been reports of $116,000 raised Friday, the day after the Palin endorsement. I’m not sure if that includes SarahPAC money, or just individual donors.
Lundy_s Lane II wrote:
Do we have any updates on his fund raising?
I get Syracuse TV stations and saw a Club for Growth ad for Hoffman that was aired twice during prime time.
About the Club for Growth ads, are they finally mentioning Hoffman by name? The latest DailyKOS/Research 2000 poll showed Hoffman with the highest "no opinion" in the favorable/unfavorable section. That usually indicates a name recognition issue. The first Club for Growth ads just attacked Scozzafava and Owens by name, not mentioning that Scozzafava was the Republican, and never mentioning Hoffman at all. I hope they have improved their ads.
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Can’t a whole lot of us just drive in and vote.
Vote early and often.
Give a vote for some dead relatives too.
The dems do it. XD
There are people that just pull the R lever instinctively. These people can be educated and change their mind.
Certainly the strong conservatives in the district are already in Hoffman’s camp.
I doubt one can pull the support for Bill Owen much below that 35% level. In many ways he is to the right of Dede.
Since this is not a primary not sure why Democrats would say they were for Dede. It is not a question of getting the most liberal Republican on the ballot.
In any case this race is winnable.
Va Va Va VOOM.
Yes -
it was this one:
http://www.youtube.com/user/club4growth#p/a
The picture of Doug Hoffman looks a little dorky - but other than that it was a good solid short ad. IMO
played twice.
But also saw an ad for Scozzafava and for Owens.
I’d like to see what the numbers are now that Palin and the others have tossed in their support.
I agree the Conservative Republicans have to continue to send the message to the RHINO Newt’s that we are not going in the direction that the RHINO’s have been leading our party. The Reagan Conservatives are returning it back to it’s origins. I don’t even like Dick Armey. I think he is one shy of being a RHINO....I wish RUSH, HANNITY and some of the credible talk show/conservative media would start pointing out what conservatives we should support and which ones are on the fence and need to be kicked over to the other side!
Curious how it is Republicans who are upsetting the apple cart by supporting the conservative, but Markos Moulitsas endorsement of the Republican is overlooked.
It's critical that Hoffman's supporters man every single last polling place from dawn to dusk to make sure that every Republican voter knows that their real choice is between two Democrats and a conservative.
With her record it appears he is spot on.
Well, first let's get the language straight. There's nothing "pragmatic" about kicking your base in the face and nominating a stupid jerk who is more liberal than the Democrat just because some operative owes her a favor. Pragmatic means sensible, and this nomination was nothing but STUPID.
Second, there's nothing finicky or "purist" about opposition to abortion and gay marriage and big union worship. Would the Democrats sit still while their party bosses nominated a candidate who said that he hated gays and wanted to murder them? Well, we won't sit still when they nominate a woman who wants to help Obama kill more babies, or force gay activists on the military, or push for gay marriage.
This was a basic mistake on the part of the Republican leadership, local and national. They've done this sort of thing repeatedly, and eviscerated the party as a result. It's time to tell them "enough." This woman must lose, whether or not the Conservative candidate wins. And everyone involved must go.
Yes the new poll numbers should show a shift towards Hoffman.
The question is how big that shift is going to be. Also not sure of the credibility of those polls. Most pollsters will structure who they poll to get the result that they want.
So Hoffman needs a strong ground game to energize the vote and not give up even if they are 8 points down on the 2nd.
It is the final vote that counts.
Nailed it.
Agreed - I should find out if Hoffman needs volunteers to man the polling places.
We have to get this country back one election, one district at a time.
Thanks for the info from Club for Growth — just saw their ad and discovered that Hoffman is a Conservative REPUBLICAN that is supported by the Conservative Party. This is a special election with different rules then the regular election.
No wonder Fred Thompson and Dick Armey endorsed Hoffman along with others because he is a Republican and the woman is an idiot that is running. All beginning to make sense now. RNC should NOT be wasting donor dollars on this race IMHO.
It would have been nice in all of these threads I have read to discover that Hoffman was a Conservative Republican but that wasn’t the case until I saw Club for Growth. Now if Club for Growth is wrong that Hoffman is NOT a Conservative REPUBLICAN then I would expect a retraction.
Cap & Tax Pawlenty's got his finger in the wind, eh?
Every voter and every citizen should evaluate the candidates for themselves.
I do not agree with Hannity all of the time. Rush is good, but he doesn’t seem to like to make endorsements of candidates.
Mark Levin came out for Hoffman.
I think that it will take a big 2x4 to knock any sense into the current Republican party elite.
Well it sure looks that way!
I guess I should include that in my informational posts. He is running as the Conservative party candidate because Scozzafava has the Republican line, but he has stated that if elected, he will caucus with the Republicans.
PhiKapMom wrote:
Thanks for the info from Club for Growth — just saw their ad and discovered that Hoffman is a Conservative REPUBLICAN that is supported by the Conservative Party. This is a special election with different rules then the regular election.
The whole “a Republican must win to support Boehner for Speaker” line of reasoning is a smokescreen. First, there won’t be an election for speaker until after the 2010 elections. It is doubtful that Scozzafava will win a primary in this district. Second, even if there was an election for speaker, Hoffman would support the Republican over the Democrat.
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Online Tea Party
Both Doug Hoffman and Dede Scozzafava have pages on Facebook. Currently, Hoffman has 1,550 fans to 329 for the RINO.
This can be considered an online poll and serve as an embarrassment to the ACORN candidate.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Doug-Hoffman/104731159040?ref=nf
“Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty — a potential presidential candidate in 2012 — suggested Friday on ABC News that he’s strongly considering backing Hoffman, as well.”
Some “leader”. Palin and Bachmann are way out in front on this showing leadership, while Pawlenty waffles.
Save your money Tim, you don’t stand a chance in 2012.
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