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Pat Buchanan: Americans alienated and radicalized
The Manchester Union-Leader ^ | October 24, 2009 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 10/23/2009 10:19:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

In the brief age of Obama, we have had "truthers," "birthers," Tea Party activists and town-hall dissenters.

Comes now, the "Oath Keepers." And who might they be?

Writes Alan Maimon in the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Oath Keepers, depending on where one stands, are "either strident defenders of liberty or dangerous peddlers of paranoia."

Formed in March, they are ex-military and police who repledge themselves to defend the Constitution, even if it means disobeying orders. If the U.S. government ordered law enforcement agencies to violate Second Amendment rights by disarming the people, Oath Keepers will not obey.

"The whole point of Oath Keepers is to stop a dictatorship from ever happening here," says founding father Stewart Rhodes, an ex-Army paratrooper and Yale-trained lawyer. "My focus is on the guys with the guns, because they can't do it without them.

"We say if the American people decide it's time for a revolution, we'll fight with you."

Prediction: Brother Rhodes is headed for cable stardom.

And if the Pelosi-Reid progressives went postal over town-hall protesters, calling them "un-American," "Nazis" and "evil-mongers," one can imagine what they will do with the Oath Keepers.

As with Jimmy Carter's long-range psychoanalysis of Joe Wilson, the reflexive reaction of the mainstream media will likely be that these are militia types, driven to irrationality because America has a black President.

Yet, the establishment's reaction seems more problematic for the republic than anything the Oath Keepers are up to. For our political and media elite seem to have lost touch with the nation and to be wedded to a vision of America divorced from reality.

Progressives are the folks who, in the 1960s, could easily understand that urban riots that took scores of lives and destroyed billions in property were an inevitable reaction to racism, poverty and despair. They could empathize with the rage of campus radicals who burned down the ROTC building and bombed the Pentagon.

The "dirty, immoral war in Vietnam" explains why the "finest generation we have ever produced" is behaving like this, they said. We must deal with the "root causes" of social disorder.

Yet, they cannot comprehend what would motivate Middle America to distrust its government, for it surely does, as Ron Brownstein reports in the National Journal:

"Whites are not only more anxious, but also more alienated. Big majorities of whites say the past year's turmoil has diminished their confidence in government, corporations and the financial industry. . . . Asked which institution they trust most to make economic decisions in their interest, a plurality of whites older than 30 pick 'none' -- a grim statement."

Is all this due to Obama's race?

Even Obama laughs at that. As he told David Letterman, "I was already black by the time I was elected." And he not only got a higher share of the white vote than John Kerry or Al Gore, a third of white voters who said in August 2008 that race was an important consideration in voting said they were going to vote for Obama.

With black voters going 24 to 1 for Obama, he almost surely won more votes than he lost because of his race.

Moreover, the alienation and radicalization of white America began long before Obama arrived. He acknowledged as much when he explained Middle Pennsylvanians to puzzled progressives in that closed-door meeting in San Francisco.

Referring to the white working-class voters in the industrial towns decimated by job losses, Obama said: "They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Yet, we had seen these folks before. They were Perotistas in 1992, opposed NAFTA in 1993 and blocked the Bush-Kennedy-McCain amnesty in 2007.

In their lifetimes, they have seen their Christian faith purged from schools their taxes paid for and mocked in movies and on TV. They have seen their factories shuttered in the thousands and their jobs outsourced in the millions to Mexico and China. They have seen trillions of tax dollars go for Great Society programs, but have seen no Great Society, only rising crime, illegitimacy, drug use and dropout rates.

They watch on cable TV as illegal aliens walk into their country, are rewarded with free educations and health care and take jobs at lower pay than American families can live on -- then carry Mexican flags in American cities and demand U.S. citizenship.

They see Wall Street banks bailed out as they sweat their next paycheck, then read that bank profits are soaring, and the big bonuses for the brilliant bankers are back. Neither they nor their kids ever benefited from affirmative action, unlike Barack and Michelle Obama.

They see a government in Washington that cannot balance its books, win our wars or protect our borders. The government shovels out trillions to Fortune 500 corporations and banks to rescue the country from a crisis created by the government and Fortune 500 corporations and banks.

America was once their country. They sense they are losing it. And they are right.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: angrymob; bho44; birthers; buchanan; certifigate; marchondc; oathkeepers; obama; patbuchanan; polls; teaparty; teapartyexpress
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When Pat gets it right, he goes all the way!
1 posted on 10/23/2009 10:19:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Great read from Pat. He needs to be on Fox news, not on PMSNBC.


2 posted on 10/23/2009 10:26:17 PM PDT by Engineer_Soldier (Political correctness is all good for nobody.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And it a home run out of the park!


3 posted on 10/23/2009 10:26:27 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When Pat gets it right, he goes all the way!

Do tell.

Articles like this are what keep me from totally writing the man off as a fringe nut-case. Sometimes he zeros in with laser-like precision and shoots a dead-on kill shot.

He's totally nailed the mood of the average American in this article.

4 posted on 10/23/2009 10:28:48 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
two words:

Doug Hoffman

5 posted on 10/23/2009 10:31:29 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Election Nite 2010: The Difference beween "Yeahhh! We Did It!!!" and "Oh well. See you in the camps")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Right on, Pat, right on!!


6 posted on 10/23/2009 10:32:56 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yet, we had seen these folks before. They were Perotistas in 1992, opposed NAFTA in 1993 and blocked the Bush-Kennedy-McCain amnesty in 2007.

In their lifetimes, they have seen their Christian faith purged from schools their taxes paid for and mocked in movies and on TV. They have seen their factories shuttered in the thousands and their jobs outsourced in the millions to Mexico and China. They have seen trillions of tax dollars go for Great Society programs, but have seen no Great Society, only rising crime, illegitimacy, drug use and dropout rates.

They watch on cable TV as illegal aliens walk into their country, are rewarded with free educations and health care and take jobs at lower pay than American families can live on -- then carry Mexican flags in American cities and demand U.S. citizenship.

They see Wall Street banks bailed out as they sweat their next paycheck, then read that bank profits are soaring, and the big bonuses for the brilliant bankers are back. Neither they nor their kids ever benefited from affirmative action, unlike Barack and Michelle Obama.

They see a government in Washington that cannot balance its books, win our wars or protect our borders. The government shovels out trillions to Fortune 500 corporations and banks to rescue the country from a crisis created by the government and Fortune 500 corporations and banks.

America was once their country. They sense they are losing it. And they are right.


He nailed it there, that's for certain.
7 posted on 10/23/2009 10:58:17 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
America was once their country. They sense they are losing it. And they are right.

So what are they going to do about it?

8 posted on 10/23/2009 10:59:26 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Windflier
Articles like this are what keep me from totally writing the man off as a fringe nut-case.

I've always had a soft spot for him, even when I'm reminded by others of his very suspect views on isolationism etc. etc.

9 posted on 10/23/2009 10:59:56 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Engineer_Soldier
He needs to be on Fox news, not on PMSNBC.

Yeah, Chrissy Matthews is going to be pissed when he sees this. Olberman will blow a...gasket, Madow will shave her head.

10 posted on 10/23/2009 11:02:28 PM PDT by budwiesest (It's that girl from Alaska.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

We need 200 Doug Hoffmans...


11 posted on 10/23/2009 11:11:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2 million for Sarah Palin if she runs; What will you do?)
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To: Windflier

Pat gets it. I think the word for many Americans right now is “enraged.”

This evil islamo-marxist usurper gave money to islamic technology fund. $700 million for the Saudis to buy America and the money was doled out for ads to the lib media.

Now he has an endless supply of money to give muslims, saudis etc.

Why no Catholic or Baptist technology fund? Mormon?


12 posted on 10/23/2009 11:27:54 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's health care?)
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To: Frantzie

Buchanan will probably convert to Islam someday.


13 posted on 10/23/2009 11:59:11 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Engineer_Soldier
Great read from Pat. He needs to be on Fox news, not on PMSNBC.

Eventually MSNBC will let Pat go, and he might end up at Fox.

14 posted on 10/24/2009 12:56:36 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: nickcarraway

Huh? Surely you jest.


15 posted on 10/24/2009 1:27:08 AM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: guitarplayer1953
It's amazing: Pat Buchanan was considered a radical when he ran for office. Not by today's standards.
16 posted on 10/24/2009 3:28:00 AM PDT by stumptalker
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pat Buchanan is brilliant; he has all of the right people against him. Try as they might to marginalize him, he resonates with the people who made this country great at one time, and are determined to make it so again.


17 posted on 10/24/2009 3:36:37 AM PDT by Carlos Martillo II (Guernica was a work of art...and I don't mean the painting.)
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To: Carlos Martillo II
...he resonates with the people who made this country great at one time, and are determined to make it so again.

That contrasts with one of the saddest things about Obama - the usurper in our White House resonates with the people who could never have made this country great, and are determined to make the entire country as ordinary and unexceptional as they are.

18 posted on 10/24/2009 3:44:30 AM PDT by TurtleUp ([...Insert today's quote from Community-Organizer-in-Chief...] - Obama, YOU LIE!)
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To: stumptalker

Pat was not a radical until he came out against Israel’s influence in US Foreign policy.

BTW, I think this is the money quote.

“They have seen trillions of tax dollars go for Great Society programs, but have seen no Great Society, only rising crime, illegitimacy, drug use and dropout rates.”


19 posted on 10/24/2009 3:57:25 AM PDT by blackminorca
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To: TurtleUp

Well he resonated with a lot more than that a year ago; I’m just glad that the pieces of sh!t I work with that voted for him now cast their eyes downward when passing conservatives in the hallway after less than a year, when it took me six years of Bush to do the same...


20 posted on 10/24/2009 3:58:33 AM PDT by Carlos Martillo II (Guernica was a work of art...and I don't mean the painting.)
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To: Willie Green

Ping.


21 posted on 10/24/2009 4:02:07 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: blackminorca

I agree.


22 posted on 10/24/2009 4:17:50 AM PDT by stumptalker
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To: Carlos Martillo II

“I’m just glad that the pieces of sh!t I work with.........”

Must be a great place to work!


23 posted on 10/24/2009 4:21:40 AM PDT by stumptalker
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To: paul51
America was once their country. They sense they are losing it. And they are right.

So what are they going to do about it?

Go vote for the same set of political clowns they always do.

They will rage and howl and cry about everything in their lives and then the next election cycle will start, the media will spin, the Leftist candidate lie and lie and lie and the voters will, like the tame sheep they always are are, go to the voting booth and push the same old familiar buttons for the same old corrupt lying frauds like they always do.

24 posted on 10/24/2009 4:27:25 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Note to the GOP: Do not count your votes until they are cast.)
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To: budwiesest

I disagree that he should be on Fox. The more conservative voices on the MSNBC, etc., the better.


25 posted on 10/24/2009 4:27:53 AM PDT by TheRake
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To: MNJohnnie

There is a whole BUNCH of new shows on TV!!!


26 posted on 10/24/2009 4:39:22 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
You right, I am probably projecting my experience here in dark blue MN on the rest of the country.

I am just cynical about the voters.

Here in MN, after overriding the Governor's veto, the Democrat Legislature in 2007, at the height of the gas price hike, passed a gas tax increase that 65% of Minnesotans said they opposed.

Then in 2008 all these angry Minnesotans went right to the polls and expanded the tax hiking Democrats majority in the Legislature.

They re-elected the same set of politicans that were busy wrecking their paychecks.

27 posted on 10/24/2009 5:10:10 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Note to the GOP: Do not count your votes until they are cast.)
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To: paul51

What will Conservatives do? A few words come to mind: Sarah Palin, Doug Hoffman, Tea Parties, Glen Beck, Fox News. We are at one of the most important times in the life of the Republic. These are the times to try men’s souls. We must work together to end Obama’s attempt to change America into a socialist state. We must work hard to break the Democrat/Communist Party and their evil Republican cohorts. We have but two choices—follow Sarah Palin and the Conservatives or buy Mao’s Little Red Book and start memorizing passages.


28 posted on 10/24/2009 5:19:13 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Good Article, thanks. Send this to all the liberal journalists to read. I just sent to Chrissy.


29 posted on 10/24/2009 5:39:33 AM PDT by GoCards ("We eat therefore we hunt...")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pat really angers me. He has some great ideas, yet he has that anti-Semite thing that kills him. He needs to repent of his anti-Semitism, so that others can hear the good things he has to say.


30 posted on 10/24/2009 6:26:31 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: MNJohnnie

sadly, I think you are correct


31 posted on 10/24/2009 8:40:06 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Their President sneers at them, lies to and about them, every day on TV, and if they don't like it, they are racists!

At least Obama's admission to Letterman that he was already black when he was elected proves that not everything he says is a lie.

32 posted on 10/24/2009 8:56:51 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Elsie

I Like Money


33 posted on 10/24/2009 9:30:56 AM PDT by bravotu (Have a Nice Day !)
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To: Carlos Martillo II
Pat Buchanan is brilliant; he has all of the right people against him. Try as they might to marginalize him, he resonates with the people who made this country great at one time, and are determined to make it so again.

You bet...

Be *very* aware of those that talk s**t about Buchanan.

34 posted on 10/24/2009 9:36:32 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
a third of white voters who said in August 2008 that race was an important consideration in voting said they were going to vote for Obama.

Does that mean they were voting for him because he is black, or were they voting for his white half?

Inquiring Minds...

35 posted on 10/24/2009 9:40:06 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Asked which institution they trust most to make economic decisions in their interest, a plurality of whites older than 30 pick 'none' -- a grim statement.

Grim? It sounds like perfectly rational adult thinking to me.

36 posted on 10/24/2009 9:42:58 AM PDT by murphE ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." - GK Chesterton)
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To: Frantzie

Enraged is the word. My mostly non-politcal, blue dog democratic husband now sounds like a FReeper. My dad, who had similar views, jumped a few years earlier.

Alienated. The pot is definitely boiling. And the Tea Party movement was just the start of the roiling reaching the surface.

Pat was right on with this article.


37 posted on 10/24/2009 9:43:13 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Without the Constitution, there is no America!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; sickoflibs
They see a government in Washington that cannot balance its books, win our wars or protect our borders. The government shovels out trillions to Fortune 500 corporations and banks to rescue the country from a crisis created by the government and Fortune 500 corporations and banks. America was once their country. They sense they are losing it. And they are right.

Ping

38 posted on 10/24/2009 9:56:44 AM PDT by GOPJ (Rahm Emanuel IS Uriah Heep - - - It's NOT "hate" when it's true.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

PAT
bump


39 posted on 10/24/2009 10:11:42 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: GOPJ; 2ndDivisionVet
Pat's the only conservative on MSNBC that gives it back to them with fire, they typically bring on the Micheal Steele republican types: wimpy, whiny, apologetic, few facts, reminds me of Jack Kempt in 1996. Very pathetic. Every republican guest should call out MSNBC for low ratings and Obama butt kissers.

To your point, I agree with those americans AND it started many years ago, even before 2007. The question is, who can we turn to??

40 posted on 10/24/2009 11:15:42 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: Frantzie
Pat gets it. I think the word for many Americans right now is “enraged.”


41 posted on 10/24/2009 2:06:40 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: paul51
sadly, I think you are correct

Pity party.....

When the SHTF I don't want you in my foxhole.

42 posted on 10/24/2009 2:10:53 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Carlos Martillo II

Yes, I just wish there were more of us Buchanan Brigade people. We were just outnumbered 10-1 by the American people looking for freebies.


43 posted on 10/24/2009 2:26:18 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: sickoflibs

Poor Jack French Kemp had such a desire to be liked by Democrats that he made a fool of himself over Al Gore, Jr., like Carol Burnett sang of John Foster Dulles, for those who recall reading about that 1957 or 1958 song.


44 posted on 10/24/2009 2:27:56 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: El Gato

No, they were merely voting against George Walker Bush, who was not on the ballot.


45 posted on 10/24/2009 2:28:59 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pat has a way of putting reality back on the table.


46 posted on 10/24/2009 2:35:28 PM PDT by RC one
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To: dragnet2

I hear you; they never have the best interests of the US at heart...


47 posted on 10/24/2009 3:27:35 PM PDT by Carlos Martillo II (Guernica was a work of art...and I don't mean the painting.)
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To: Theodore R.

Well, now more than ever, you’ll have more people looking for freebies (including many who would never have dreamed of it until their financial world collapsed). Still, at the same time they see something fundamentally wrong happening...something “un-American”.


48 posted on 10/24/2009 3:30:00 PM PDT by Carlos Martillo II (Guernica was a work of art...and I don't mean the painting.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Calling all Americans:

If the above excellent and accurate article doesn't motivate you to want to reclaim your country:

MAY YOUR CHAINS REST LIGHTLY UPON YOU

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams

STE=Q

49 posted on 10/24/2009 3:30:21 PM PDT by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: Engineer_Soldier

bttt


50 posted on 10/24/2009 3:59:27 PM PDT by dragnet2
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