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US Could Lose “AAA” Rating–Moody’s
24/7 Wall St. ^ | October 22, 2009 | Douglas A. McIntyre

Posted on 10/23/2009 4:34:28 AM PDT by expat_panama

Moody’s (NYSE:MCO) lead analyst covering US debt said that the Amercan goverment could lose its “AAA” rating if it cannot cut the deficit and budget gaps in the next three to four years.

Steven Hess told Reuters: “The Aaa rating of the U.S. is not guaranteed.” The current rating should be stable for at least 18 months.

It was only earlier this year that the UK government got a similar warning from credit agencies.

China expressed concern to Secretary Geithner that it does not have an unending appetite for US Treasury paper. At some point the People’s Republic will not be willing to risk a larger part of its $2 trillion reserves on debt that it believes has some risk, albeit a small one, of defaulting.

One thing that is nearly certain is the the US government will end up paying much higher interest rates for its debt as it needs to fund its own interest payments starts to join the need to fund the principal. There is also that very real risk that American debt will begin to crowd private debt out of the global capital markets, raising interest costs for all borrowers.

Both Ben Bernanke and Geithner have said that the deficit must come down, but government spending and stimulus costs are actually rising. Only yesterday, the Administration suggested a new program to help small businesses. With growing unemployment, it is unlikely the IRS receipts will rise.

The Moody’s comments may not mean much for three years, but they could start to roil the capital markets much sooner.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhoeconomy; budget; business; deficit; democrats; economy; obama
We're DOOMED!!!!
1 posted on 10/23/2009 4:34:28 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

I heard them talking about this months ago. Maybe its getting closer?


2 posted on 10/23/2009 4:36:08 AM PDT by wombtotomb
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To: expat_panama

I have a $25.00 Series E Bond. Should I cash it in? Oh. What to do!


3 posted on 10/23/2009 4:37:44 AM PDT by kempster
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To: ClearCase_guy; Starchoice; 1rudeboy; Toddsterpatriot; Mase; SAJ
--at least I thought we were doomed when I first saw this. 

US bonds have been AAA since Moody's began rating them back in 1917, and nothing --not the Depression, the wars-- nothing has tarnished the AAA rating.  Yet.   That's when I googled the story and saw how this canard shows up every year or so and never gets anywhere.

Never mind.

4 posted on 10/23/2009 4:40:53 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: wombtotomb
talking about this months ago...

You beat me to it (re post 4)

5 posted on 10/23/2009 4:42:21 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Moody’s, the guys who lied about MBS ratings? Still waiting for the prosecutions (but I ain’t holding my breath).


6 posted on 10/23/2009 4:43:48 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: kempster; Willie Green
Oh. What to do!

People that say their dollars are worthless trash are only saying it to con guys like me into hauling away their trash.

7 posted on 10/23/2009 4:45:52 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
Uncle Sam can borrow at under 3.5% for 10 years. Any amount wanted.

Can you?

Reports of the US treasury's credit weakness are decidedly exaggerated. All the world's doom mongers screaming it in chorus won't make a lick of it true.

8 posted on 10/23/2009 4:53:41 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: expat_panama
I keep offering them my actual trash for their dollars and I've yet to get a "yes"...
9 posted on 10/23/2009 4:54:47 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: expat_panama
Doom mongering journalist who knows nothing of credit or finance asks a rating agency staffer whether first world sovereign credits are just automatically triple A; rating agency staffer explains they analyze governments just like they analyze corporates and they can get any rating, the standards just say the US is actually triple A; journalist breathlessly reports as "news" that the US "could" be downgraded from AAA. Repeat until insane.
10 posted on 10/23/2009 4:57:17 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: expat_panama

“We’ll give you 3 or 4 years to get your act straight...”

I would think it will only take 4-6 more months, the way Barry, Nancy and Harry are running the country down.


11 posted on 10/23/2009 5:05:39 AM PDT by silverleaf ("For America today, decline is not a condition. Decline is a choice"- Krauthammer)
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To: expat_panama

The only reason that Moody’s gives the US Gov the AAA is because unlike any other entity, the US Gov can print all the money it wants to pay any debt.


12 posted on 10/23/2009 5:05:59 AM PDT by henkster (0bamanomics: The "Final Solution" to America's "Prosperity Question.")
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To: expat_panama

The O administration will be sending a horses head to the CEO of Moody’s.

They’re a corrupt rating organization anyway so this ought to be interesting.


13 posted on 10/23/2009 5:21:03 AM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: expat_panama
US bonds have been AAA since Moody's began rating them back in 1917, and nothing --not the Depression, the wars-- nothing has tarnished the AAA rating. Yet.

Yet you're dumb enough to think that unchecked deficit spending will never hurt that rating...
OR... you actually want to financially weaken our nation and think this news is a huge joke and reason to celebrate.

Either way, you have $hit for brains.

14 posted on 10/23/2009 5:25:52 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: expat_panama

Our foolish government did this....sorry we cant press charges for racketeering and embezlement.


15 posted on 10/23/2009 6:11:11 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: JasonC
Uncle Sam can borrow at under 3.5% for 10 years. Any amount wanted.   Can you?

This is a good argument against zero deficits.  The reasoning is that if we want things like the US military, border patrol, FBI, etc., then we have to pay for them.   We can all borrow the money individually at 10%, or we tell our hired help to borrow at 3.5%.

16 posted on 10/23/2009 6:43:26 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
Given the credibility of Moody's after the MBS mess, and one analysts relationship with the Galleon Group, perhaps there's and agenda behind this statement.

Either way, it's nonsense now just like it's always been.

17 posted on 10/23/2009 6:49:14 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: expat_panama
Sure. But let's use it for stuff we actually need, like winning wars or getting out of major recessions, keeping the banks open at the bottom of a crisis, etc. Let's not make it a piggy bank to pay for trillion dollar middle class entitlements we can't really afford anyway, lest it not be there when we need it for the bigger items mentioned above.
18 posted on 10/23/2009 8:11:12 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: Willie Green
No, he simply refuses to be stampeded into hysteria over yet another fake crisis got up by doom mongers screaming the end is nigh on every street corner.

Sobriety and judgment are conservative virtues. Hysteria is a radical's vice.

19 posted on 10/23/2009 8:13:14 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC
"....if we want things like the US military, border patrol, FBI, etc., then we have to pay "

"let's use it for stuff we actually need..."

You didn't mean it that way; there's no 'but' here. We need revenue for what's important and we want limits to spending.

20 posted on 10/23/2009 9:59:14 AM PDT by expat_panama
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