Posted on 10/22/2009 5:43:25 PM PDT by Libloather
Link only - Baucus Ballistic, According to ABC News
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/10/public-option-its-back.html
Gosh! I love it when the libtards start to feast on each other... Seems somehow...right and proper.
“Gosh! I love it when the libtards start to feast on each other... Seems somehow...right and proper.”
Sounds like a sh*t sandwich...
Ple3ase pass the popcorn — love watching a DemocRAT trainwreck!
Smells like one too.
He believes the “moderates” will vote for cloture, then against the bill — meaning he only needs 50 votes + Biden.
Comeon, Max.... This is your baby. Enjoy.
Hoist meet Petard
Each Representative has become aware of his job and who can fire his/her Bunns.
It isn’t Obama, It ain’t Reid, and it is not Pelosi that can terminate your employment in DC.
And Chicago thugs do not live in Montana or Arkansas.
Obama and friends cannot control a double digit spread on the Va. Governor’s race. Reid is looking at a shrinking Las Vegas encouraged by Obama’s “Stay away” edict.
Pelosi is looking at losing her leadership over the house.
Americans are just looking for Jobs, and they don’t like what they are seeing.
What would MAO do ?
Maybe this is why the doctor fix went down in flames!
Sorry, but I think this is smoke and mirrors. While they want a couple of GOP stooges along for the ride, eventually a “public option” will come out and will pass both houses. I think zero has staked his presidency on it and has made backdoor threats and promises the likes of which we haven’t seen in a while.
Helps global warming, ya know.
Awwww...poor Max. He just realized he has been duped. LOL
I am still trying to figure out how Montana voted for this idiot.
Hey Baucus, if you lie down with dogs, you’re gonna get fleas all over ya!!
Strong miner/populist Dem culture in parts of Montana (Butte in particular). I seem to remember Montana having several populist Democrat Senators, often of the Irish Catholic persuasion (Baucus is neither), over the past century and a half. Marshal, please opine on my history.
If they cannot get a cloture vote on the doctors bribery bill yesterday which failed 47-53 (they did not even get 50 votes) then they are not going to have 60 vote cloture for public option aka socialized medicine. The only way they may, not certain, able to pass it is to use the nuclear option and even then they many not get 50 votes.
If they have the vote for public option this stupid socialized medicine bill would have passed long time ago. This is the fact that no one can deny, it is that simple.
Hope you’re right. I’ll believe that when, by this time next year, there still is no law.
Yeah. But we’re gonna be the ones eating it.
Nice trick. I tried to post something from alternet, the moderators told me it was OK, and then they pulled it without explaination. But you labeled link ABC news.
Baucus Ballistic, According to ABC News goes to
These creeps share a brain - never assume they aren't in cahoots.
If that happens, I march...If I march alone, so be it. My son will know!
We don’t need to wait until next fall
After the first of the year the fall campaign season begins, and with every passing day the chances of passage begins to drop. Self preservation will begin to intrude in a way that BHO won’t be able to overcome.
If anyone watched Hannity tonight, Olympia Snowe had government healthcare in Maine. It FAILED. In debt, and not nearly the people covered they promised!
we’ve been praying very hard for these dems to begin devouring each other, and it has begun :-)
Have good friends with family in Montana — they were both raised there and everything they have said goes along with Baucus not wanting a public option. I guess he has stated it over and over again back in Montana that he will not support a public option.
I can remember when he could be counted on by Bush to vote on some items a lot more then Specter.
Yeah, they’ve had some Catholic Dem federal officials. Tom Walsh of Helena (1913-33), for one. The powerful Burton Wheeler of Butte (1923-47) was a Methodist, though. He ran out a yute Communist Dem upstart from his House district, Jerry O’Connell, in favor of a Republican (who turned out to be just as controversial and was succeeded by the ultra-Pacificist RINO Jeannette Rankin, who served her second, non-consecutive term, and was succeeded by Mike Mansfield).
Jim Murray (1934-61) I believe was a Catholic (born in Canada, but Butte was his hometown). Mike Mansfield (1953-77) was a Catholic, but he hailed from Missoula (by which time, Butte’s position as the largest city in the state had ended - by 2010, it will probably be the 6th largest behind Helena). Lee Metcalf (1961-78) was a Methodist. John Melcher (1977-89) was a Catholic. Baucus is United Church of Christ. Conrad Burns was a Lutheran. Jon Tester is Church of God.
We’ve had a terrible track record of electing GOP Senators in MT (in the popular-vote era, there has only been two, Conrad Burns (1989-2007) and Zales Ecton (1947-53), and Ecton only won because Burton Wheeler was beaten in the Dem primary, and Wheeler told his followers to vote for Ecton, but Ecton was beaten by Mike Mansfield in ‘52). We’ve had a ton of heartbreakingly close races over the decades, going back to the 1910s.
Baucus has benefitted by not having had really strong challengers. Marc Racicot could’ve unseated him at any point in the ‘90s or this decade, and he chose not to. His closest race was in ‘96 against the current Congressman Denny Rehberg, which he won by a plurality, 49.6%-44.7%. He was reelected last November over a total embarrassment and desultory opponent, 85-year old Bob Kelleher, 73-27%. Kelleher has run under every party label and is, aside from being pro-life, extremely left-wing (he was the Green Party nominee for Senator in ‘02 & Governor in ‘04, prior to that he always ran as a Democrat - in fact, when he won the GOP nod in an upset last year, that was the first major party label nomination he’d won since he had the MT 2nd district House nod in 1968, losing to Jim Battin). Kelleher is a *drum roll* Butte Catholic, btw.
Kelleher was to the left of Baucus. The GOP didn’t really put up a serious candidate in the primary. Former MT House Majority Leader Michael Lange ran in the primary, but Lange was damaged because he had been publicly dumped as House leader after just 4 months on the job the year beforehand. Lange was considered a bit of a loose cannon, and the media crucified him after he verbally attacked Gov. Schweitzer (of course, Schweitzer is a real scumbag, who openly boasted of committing voter fraud - promptly ignored by the rodent media). Lange lost 36-23% to Kelleher, although I’d not be surprised if Dems interfered in the primary in order to insure Baucus would face a total non-threat as an opponent.
I agree with that: I think if we get this past January, there is some hope.
Post still here. I will keep this as an example.
You got it to post under ‘news and activism’ without a link in the ‘source URL’ box, but you put the link as the ‘text’ with the comment ‘link only’. And you didnt post any of the article text either and changed the title creating your own post title.
Did you hear the first 15 minutes of Rush today? The pressure is already on our Congressmen.
No guarantees, of course, but every day this evil thing doesn’t pass the safer we are.
I look at the Kelleher just like the wins by the Larooshies in the ‘86 rat primary in Illinois. Not enough people knew a damn thing about the race.
Of course the rats could have interfered but why bother, Lange wasn’t gonna come close to beating Maxie.
With only Kelleher and Baucus on the ballot I’d throw that race in with Edwin Edwards/David Duke, the proper response would have been to cast a blank vote smeared with dog doo.
“He ran out a yute Communist Dem upstart from his House district, Jerry O’Connell, in favor of a Republican (who turned out to be just as controversial and was succeeded by the ultra-Pacificist RINO Jeannette Rankin, who served her second, non-consecutive term, and was succeeded by Mike Mansfield”
I seem to remember talking about this before but the details are gone.
What was wrong with Jacob Thorkelson?
Her failed Maine health care plan is the reason she is interested in seeing the fed plan passed. It will bring the Maine commies their health care and someone besides them will have to pay for it.
Dr. Thorkelson was a Norwegian native. Once he won his single term in the House, he became nationally prominent, if only because of what he was known to place in the Congressional Record. He was an outspoken isolationist (not unusual for the GOP at that time, but as I’ve maintained ever since, an astonishingly dangerous position to take). He delivered a barnburner of a speech in ‘39, still online today: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1939thorkelason.html
Unfortunately, Thorkelson wrapped a lot of his anti-Communist rhetoric in odious anti-Semitism (alas, in the ‘30s, a lot of Jews were Communists and harbored sympathetic views towards the Soviets - so while one can wince at such a position today, you have to look at it in the context of the time to see what inspired American anti-Semitism from the right).
But he scored a real winner of a line, and tell me that this doesn’t ring true today:
“I also note in the June 26 Times-Herald that The Washington Merry-Go-Round labels myself and two others “Nazis.” This is not strange, for when anyone speaks on the constitutional rights of the people and opposes communism one of the wailing prophets sticks out his head and shouts “Nazi!””
Disengage the anti-Semitism tinge of the speech, and there were just some other points that are so on the money, they’re as true now 70 years later. Such as the far-left lean of “educators” and the power of the President to place Communists in key governmental positions. Frightening some of his conclusions/predictions with respect to our current regime.
He drew considerable attacks from the left, the media, etc., almost from the time he started in, and was ultimately denounced as being openly sympathetic to Hitler’s government (of course, a lot of fools bought into that in the belief that because Hitler “opposed” the Soviets and denounced Jews (ostensible Soviet allies), that he was somehow Conservative or on the right - which of course, wasn’t true at all, Hitler was just another branch on the left-wing tree, the fascist/left side instead of the communist/left, but both totalitarian to the hilt). When Thorkelson ran for reelection, he lost the primary to Jeannette Rankin, 37-31%, although Rankin was an isolationist, too, and voted against the entry into WW2, just as she had 24 years earlier in her first term (yet Rankin is held up as a “giant”).
The influential radio host/columnist Walter Winchell denounced him as one of the worst people in America, for which Thorkelson sued him (I’ve tried to find out if he was successful, I’m guessing it wasn’t). Some of Thorkelson’s schtick was actually more akin to what you see from the likes of Lyndon LaRouche (international conspiracies of bankers, Jews, et al).
One other thing was that Sen. Burton Wheeler bitterly opposed his seatmate, James Murray (and the feeling was mutual), and when Murray came up for reelection in ‘42, Thorkelson jumped into the race on the GOP side, but considering that he was still red-hot controversial, the primary voters went with Jeannette’s brother, Wellington Rankin (he ran several times for office). With Wheeler’s help, Wellington nearly knocked off Murray (Murray beat him by .7 of a percent, or 1,200 votes - for which the 3rd party Prohibitionist probably deprived Rankin of what he needed).
Thorkelson tried one last time for office in ‘44, challenging GOP freshman Governor Sam Ford in the primary, but he lost again and died the following year just months after the end of the war at the age of 69.
As for Thorkelson’s “sponsor”, Sen. Wheeler, Sen. Murray saw to it that one Leif Erickson, fresh off a respectable showing in the ‘44 Governor’s race against Sam Ford, would aggressively challenge Wheeler in the primary, and in an upset, Erickson defeated Wheeler, 53-47%. Wheeler wasn’t done, yet, and turned around and backed the GOP nominee, a State Senator named Zales Ecton, and saw to it Erickson went down in flames, so Wheeler had the last laugh... sort of. Of course, Murray continued to serve clear up until 1961 (surviving two more narrow attempts to take him out, and that of his successor in 1960, Lee Metcalf), and he died 2 months after he left office just short of his 85th birthday. Wheeler lived to be just short of 93 in 1975 and never sought office again after ‘46.
I don’t know if I would have voted for WWI or not.
Rankin’s vote against WW2 can only be called nutty.
Wheeler sound like a swell fellow.
Wikipedia: “Wheeler was born in Hudson, Massachusetts. He grew up in Massachusetts, attending the public schools and working as a stenographer in Boston, Massachusetts. He graduated from the University of Michigan law school in 1905. He initially headed for Seattle, Washington, but after getting off the train in Butte, Montana and losing his belongings in a poker game, he settled there and began practicing law.”
LOL. Talk about altering history.
Sometimes fate has different plans than you do.
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