Posted on 10/21/2009 5:18:12 AM PDT by Red Badger
PDATED (October 2, 2009): Volkswagen has now officially released details on the 2010 Golf TDI. The new model is rated at 30/41 mpg (city/hwy) for the manual transmission and 32/42 mpg with VW’s advanced DSG automatic transmission. The car is priced from $21,990.
Noticeably absent from the North American market since 2006, the Volkswagen Golf TDI will return for 2010. The new model was showcased today at the New York Auto Show, along with the high performance GTI (see our review here). There weren’t any standard Golfs on the floor, but we do have info on that model too.
The new Golf TDI will use the same turbo-diesel 2.0-liter motor found in the Jetta TDI Clean Diesel, which is already on sale. Power is rated at 140hp and a significant 236 ft-lbs of torque.
This engine is capable of 42 mpg on the highway and 29 mpg in the city when paired with a six-speed manual transmission.
As for the standard Golf, it will be powered by a 2.5-liter five-cylinder that makes 170hp and 177 ft-lbs of torque. Both a 3-door and 5-door model will be offered with the 3-door coming in two trims (Trendline and Sportline) and the 5-door available in three trims (Trendline, Comfortline and Highline).
The 2010 Golf TDI will be available as both a two-door and four-door model, priced at $21,990 and $22,590 respectively.
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Rest In Peace, old friend, your work is finished.....
If you want ON or OFF the DIESEL ”KnOcK” LIST just FReepmail me.....
This is a fairly HIGH VOLUME ping list on some days.....
Knock!...........
My '05 Toyota Corolla stick shift is rated at 38/42 and still gets it after 92,000 trouble free miles.
Little cars aren't for everybody but I sure like mine.
A falling dollar is going to make it tough to buy european.
I had a friend with a diesel golf in the 80’s, he regularly got close to 50 mpg, and never paid for fuel, because he got it from the ship we were stationed on. A tank lasted half a month, and he always managed at least one mid watch before we got liberty.
there ya go......
It could be your spare...................
My beat-up, ten-year-old Honda Civic - 150,000 mi - still gets 42 mpg on the highway. (And I don’t baby my vehicles, by any stretch of the imagination.)
How it got that mileage with burning cleanly I do not know. It was NOT TDI, you can ask any of the tailgaters I fogged.
bttt
New EPA and Euro regs have changed the mileage that can be achieved by the diesel engines................
at least, its a 2 door
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4 doors, yuc
I prefer this 2-door................
40 mpg and none of the electric drive motor/battery claptrap. Instead it has an engine that will last 100s of thousands of miles.
Hard to make Diesels run on it 90/1, with the 10% pilot of Diesel it is do-able.
I am watching for "Project Bobcat" to surplant Diesels, especially after Ford was granted 125 patents on their Eco-Boost technology which the project maybe based, see below.....
my bad back requires me to currently only sit in my 99 dodge durango...or any largervehicle where my feet can go staight down..
of course now that GM and Chrysler are G.ovt. M.otors.
I will defer to Fords as the only new vehicle I will buy.
excellent choice....I heartily approve.
I’m sitting here with a bad back....pulled muscle lower left side.....I can completely commiserate.................
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One, diesel fuel is cheaper and simpler to make than low-grade gasoline and yet in the US at least for the last ten years or so, diesel has always been more expensive than low-grade gas and sometimes by as much as fifty cents to a dollar a gallon. Five years would have to go by with that situation reversed before I'd ever buy a diesel car.
Two, a turbocharger is just one more fragile thing which would cost $3000 to replace.
There's also still the likelihood that the EESTOR super capacitor will be seen in cars this year or early next. That has the capability of ending the petroleum economy altogether.
I owned a 1980 (bought it new in 1980) Diesel Rabbit.
I still have my records for it and I never got less than 43 MPG combined and usually got around 49 to 50 on all-highway trips. There were a few trips where I got even better mileage.
It was a great car that I used while I finished my college degree and paid less than $15 a month in fuel costs, unless I took a trip to see my wife stationed in Kansas.
It may have been a small car but I still miss it today.
I had a 1988 2-door Grand Am with a 4 cylinder base engine that used to get 28 mpg in mixed suburban driving and 38 mpg on the highway. It wasn’t a large car, but it wasn’t a teeny SmartCar deathbox, either. It seems that we’ve taken a lot of technical detours to be able to make cars that get decent mileage.
EPA and Euro Regs have changed the rules of the game. Plus the EPA now uses a different method to measure mileage.....
Hmmm. I don’t care for the Golf. But the Jetta TDI looks nice imho.
I own a TDI Jetta. My wife gets 45 miles per gallon city. Our next will be a VW for sure.
Those small cars are nice as long as you’re never in A wreck. I had a diesel rabbit in 70’s. Some drunk chasing his girlfriend hit the rabbit while parked; totaled her. I later bought a diesel jetta; it was great while living in a rural area. I’d never own one in an urban area. Death trap for family in a wreck. I’ve been driving trks for so long, fuel would have to be 20 bucks/gal before I’d change. I have seen small cars T-boned by crew cabs.
I owned an '81 VW Rabbit pickup. It got about 50 mpg, but it was terribly underpowered. You didn't dare pull out in front of granny on a bicycle because this thing couldn't get out of it's own way, much less granny's. It would barely hold 60 mph on the highway and that was with your foot on the floor. It needed a turbocharger bad. I would frequently draft 18 wheelers going faster than I could go just to be able to run over 60 on the interstate. Got me through college on the cheap, though.....
Ok... what gives? My 2003 Jetta TDI routinely gave me 50+ mpg (even 60 mpg on one trip from KY to FL). My 2006 Jetta TDI gives me 40+. Now, these people are bragging about TDI mileage on a Golf that rivals my non-TDI Passat wagon... this is improvement?
Concur about small cars being death traps, but by modern standards the Golf and Jetta are now closer to mid-size. They’ve gotten larger with each new model redesign, while traditional “big” cars have gotten smaller. The problem with diesels is that, at least in my neighborhood (NE NJ), diesel costs more than regular unleaded...and sometimes more than premium unleaded.
My 2006 Jetta TDI is for sale... excellent condition. FReepmail me if interested and I’ll send you pictures. We’re replacing it with the Routan... third kid on the way...
I was really tempted to get one, but I never see any diesel pumps around here (CA). I ended up getting a 2009 gas powered Jetta instead (for my wife).
The current Golf is around 3000 lbs and a Jetta is around 3300 lbs.
The first-generation Golf was about 1900 lbs. The Smart Car is about 1600 lbs.
A car rarely considered to be a tiny little death trap, the Mustang, is about 3500 lbs.
The gub’mint changed the rules in the middle of the game.............They have to be cleaner and emit less smoke particulates and wipe your butt as you drive.......................
Let’s say two cars are being considered.
Both are exactly alike, except one is gasoline powered and the other is Diesel powered.
Both have a 10 gallon tank.
Gasoline is $3.00 a gallon.
Diesel is $3.50 a gallon.
The gasoline model gets 30 mpg.
The Diesel model gets 40 mpg.
Gasoline miles per tank = 300 miles.
Diesel miles per tank = 400 miles.
Gasoline trip costs = $30.00
Diesel trip costs = $35.00
You go 100 miles farther for $5.00 in the Diesel.
That $5.00 would have bought 1.667 gallons of gasoline, that would have carried you only 50 miles...........
Nice! I want one for my commute!
We bought a new 95 Riviera with the supercharged 3.8 and took a 5,500 mile trip where we averaged 27.2 with one tank at 30.1 which was cut by 2.5 when the reformulated gas was mandated in Kalif. My wife still drives it around town getting 17/18 mpg in a 3650 pound big car (aka Tuna Boat). We no longer travel due to old age and medical problems and a damn dog that is harder to board than a child. My 99 Silverado gets 11 around town and 17/18 when we make shopping trip to Santa Rosa or Redding...
I agree 100%. I was just surprised that, after an initial deep mpg economy dip when the EPA regs kicked in the 70's, and a subsequent recovery, at how much things have leveled off since 1988. I don't know how much is due to further stiffening of EPA regs, how much is due to the shift to more powerful engines when oil prices were down, and how much is due to safety enhancements.
Whereas my 2 Prius get 45-50 mpg depending on how aggressively I drive them, both have gotten over 80,000 miles with no engine trouble whatsoever, and I’ve seen no reports of any problems with the car from people who drive lots more than I do.
Their fuel and oil requirements are very stringent. Sensors monitor almost every system and report back to a central control module. If a sensor fails VW is known for replacing the entire component, not just the failed sensor. Big bucks if this happens out of warranty.
No doubt, it is a high tech car. Even pressing the fuel peddle actuates an electronic fuel delivery system. Kinda like fly by wire.
OMG... You just reminded me of the biggest mistake I ever made! That was when I let my son insist that I sell my 1952 Mercedes DL120 with 4 suicide doors and a sluggish diesel that would not get out of it’s own way. My wife and I spent 3 days in Garberville and that car was on the only car lot in town and it was love at first sight but the lot was closed as the owner was out of town so I called later in the week and bought it over the phone and had it transported to Eureka on a roll-back. That had to be the coolest looking car I ever owned...
“Two problems, both show stoppers as I see it:
One, diesel fuel is cheaper and simpler to make than low-grade gasoline and yet in the US at least for the last ten years or so, diesel has always been more expensive than low-grade gas and sometimes by as much as fifty cents to a dollar a gallon. Five years would have to go by with that situation reversed before I’d ever buy a diesel car.”
Yep, this always frosts me. Diesel fuel isn’t as refined as gas, so why does it cost more at the pump? Could it be that much of American moves on diesel (trucks, industry, etc..) and its a profit thing??? Hmmm... Or, is it a supply thing? (I don’t think so).
“Two, a turbocharger is just one more fragile thing which would cost $3000 to replace.”
Turbo technology these days makes this less of a concern. Regular maintenance goes a long way. There’s no reason that a turbo can’t see 100K, 200K miles of trouble-free service life without repair.
A 170 hp TDI sounds like fun. Have you seen a TDI in real life? They are quiet, clean, etc..., I’d seriously consider one if I were in the market for a small car.
BTW, I drive a Dodge Ram 3500 with the Cummins. I love my truck, and love the power and fuel economy of the diesel. I intend to enjoy it until such time oBama outlaws their use by the public.
Put the peddle (sic) to the meddle.....................
Oh man these are the worst cars ever. Every time I got close to one it was emitting fumes and going 10 mph, or they were broken down in some parking lot. The folks driving them were usually oblivious - thinking about the grand space ship coming to take them home.......
That would be the final straw!!! Are you listening Mr. Internet Cyber Czar?
I had the same problem about power. I can remember we would have to turn the A/C off every time we wanted to pull out in traffic or even climb a hill.
“Power is rated at 140hp and a significant 236 ft-lbs of torque.
This engine is capable of 42 mpg on the highway and 29 mpg in the city when paired with a six-speed manual transmission.”
Good power and torque, but rather unimpressive fuel economy numbers for a diesel. One suspects that making these diesels really clean has reduced their efficiency.
Could you elaborate on that? Do you instead mean that the test design may not put a diesel engine in as good of a light as, say, a hybrid, based on an updated driving methodology?
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