Posted on 10/20/2009 4:24:19 PM PDT by Bob017
A recent study of the applicants to seven elite colleges in 1997 found that Asian students were much more likely to be rejected than seemingly similar students of other races. Also, athletes and students from top high schools had admissions edges, as did low-income African-Americans and Hispanics.
Translating the advantages into SAT scores, study author Thomas Espenshade, a Princeton sociologist, calculated that African-Americans who achieved 1150 scores on the two original SAT tests had the same chances of getting accepted to top private colleges in 1997 as whites who scored 1460s and Asians who scored perfect 1600s...
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Never mind, I'm sure the media and academia will find a way to blame white racism.
One question I would ask is, “Are Asian student more likely to cheat in groups than other students?”
I know from my experience that the communal expectations of many international Asian students seems to help excuse their cheating while attending US institutions. The general excuse I’ve heard? Domestic students have an unfair advantage because English is their native language.
Asians have shown that they are good at PREPARING for tests.
Here in New York City, I see lots of SAT preparation review schools.
If you ever come here, I invite you to visit a few of them and count the PERCENTAGE of Asian students attending them compared to blacks, Hispanics and Whites....
You’ll be surprised (or won’t be as the case may be) to see that almost 90% of the attendees are Asians.
Blacks and Hispanics are almost non-existent in these classes.
Asians have shown that they are good at PREPARING for tests.
Here in New York City, I see lots of SAT preparation review schools.
If you ever come here, I invite you to visit a few of them and count the PERCENTAGE of Asian students attending them compared to blacks, Hispanics and Whites....
You’ll be surprised (or won’t be as the case may be) to see that almost 90% of the attendees are Asians.
Blacks and Hispanics are almost non-existent in these classes.
Cheating on the SAT is rather difficult, unlike cheating in a class. The East Asian kids work harder than others.
How much scope is there to improve through SAT prep(i’m not from the US)?
I have several anecdotal instances of my sons asian friends who
spent their Saturday mornings at Kumon or Huntington doing
loads of prep for test taking. They did not do sports.
My kids were always playing football or baseball or basketball
on Saturdays.
“How can the case for Asians be made without implicating the policies that favor blacks & hispanics?
Never mind, I’m sure the media and academia will find a way to blame white racism.”
Well the ironic thing is that while they are discriminating in favour of two minority groups, they are also discriminating against another minority. It’s a very contradictory racial spoils system.
At my kids high school, the Asians sit together at lunch and study. My kids and their friends just don’t get that. It makes me laugh. Asians don’t seem to be quite as social.
• Asian Americans voted for Barack Obama by a 3 to 1 margin, with a majority registered as Democrats.
That makes it all the more bizarre that they often have test banks available for the next years’ transfers to study from.
“At my kids high school, the Asians sit together at lunch and study.”
I think there can definitely be cultural differences in attitudes to study. I attended high school & university in NZ & generally the asian students were pretty diligent (a fair few had english as a second language).
One the other hand I had a room mate from Hong Kong who did very little work, played rugby and would come out drinking all the time.
“Here in CA. the Asians make up about 40% of the students at the various UC campuses while they are only around 10%
of the general population.”
Would that be because of Proposition 209 banning race preferences?
Yes they absolutely do. And some of them will even admit it.
You'll not get a straight story out of Admissions people, unless they speak in private in hushed tones. Then you'll hear the "boring" rap--that Asians are underrepresented when it comes to adding to campus atmosphere and energy.
Stanford undergraduate is nearly 25-29% Asian. You can take a look at a crowd shot of the student section at a Stanford football game,and Asian's don't make up one in four. So too for other campus energy type events. The library might be a different story.
No matter. Race hustlers will continue to insist that the cards are stacked against these populations.
“• Asian Americans voted for Barack Obama by a 3 to 1 margin, with a majority registered as Democrats. “
Well yea, if you saw the Democratic outreach to them, you’d understand why. As far as values go, it’s not even close, Asians have much more in common with conservatives. The only problem is that Republicans still don’t understand that they they can be a VERY helpful minority...much like the Jews finance Democrats and help them win close races, by voting as a block.
Exactly. You can't discriminate in favor of someone without simultaneously discriminating against someone.
I’ve known a few white kids with perfect (in those days) 1600 SAT scores who were rejected by various Ivies. It’s not that unusual at the top schools (i.e., Harvard, Princeton, Yale). From the same group of students, Harvard DID accept the student with the lowest SAT, who happened also to be a nationally ranked athlete. Go figure.
As to the group/in-class cheating by Asian students, it seemed endemic among the group I knew to the point that I think their culture and ours clash about what constitutes cheating. Cribbing another student’s notes or lifting from another’s paper is not, to their thinking, cheating.
“• Asian Americans voted for Barack Obama by a 3 to 1 margin, with a majority registered as Democrats.”
So much for the vaunted Asian American IQ ‘advantage’.
“much like the Jews finance Democrats and help them win close races, by voting as a block.”
Jews are also disproportionately government trough feeders, so voting Democrapic is voting for their cash flow continuation.
“I’ll never forget him telling me a bunch of new Chinese students went bowling and they thought they bought the rented shows for 75 cents.”
And for a dollar, you get egg roll!
“UCLA stands for University of Caucasians Lost among Asians.”
LMAO!!
““• Asian Americans voted for Barack Obama by a 3 to 1 margin, with a majority registered as Democrats.”
So much for the vaunted Asian American IQ ‘advantage’.”
Same with those transplants from India.
I can believe that. They have their own little town ;-)
Yes. And they continue to do so afterwards in college. That is how they acquire solid knowledge. Asians are frequent attendees of not only test-preparation courses but also professors' office hours.
In sum, they do well what a student is supposed to do to acquire knowledge.
It's like me coming to your office at 10a.m and, having observed you being busy, declaring that you don't know how to have fun.
You'd reply that my remark is silly: you do what you HAVE to do to bring home the bacon.
Asian kids are quite social. Their sense of duty prevents them from having fun and socializing at all times, just as your work ours do.
We encourage sports and recreation. Do you see no connection with the fact that our education is a joke when compared with most developed countries?
Why did they choose just 1997 for the recent study?
Which correlates very well with the fact that Hong Kong is culturally very Westernized.
Neither Jews nor Hispanics nor Asians vote as a block. Blocks exist in the minds (and on the graphs) of the political analysts of elections.
And what does this have to do with their attitude towards education, the topic being discussed?
Do Elite Private Colleges Discriminate Against Asian Students?
Not if they want to have a Math Team. Seriously though, if I ran a college, I would discriminate FOR Asian students.
The topic being discussed is not a group's attitude towards education.
The topic at hand is discrimination towards a particular group. I merely pointed out that my ability to give a rat's ass about the group being oppressed is quite low, given that group's support of their oppressors.
Unfortunately, the legacy of the Republican party is one of blue-blood, Rockefeller elites. Reaching out to minority groups will have to be done by conservatives, who only constitute a percentage of the Republican Party, and who by no means control it.
Thank you for the clarification.
You are factually incorrect, however. The allegation is that Asians are treated unfairly by the universities. You have somehow weaved into this political parties. Does that make sense to you?
I would think that a PRIVATE college could choose whom they will and will not accept...for whatever reason.
It’s called Asian Fail.
I lived in a Big 10 town, a relatively small one as they go. Your description sounds identical the the entire campus on Saturday game-days.
While the Asian students were busily scurrying back & forth from lab, engineering buildings, library etc. One of my brand couldn't help noticing & thinking: "Hmmmmmm".
BWWWWWWHAAAAAAAAA!!!
Here they're worried about H1V1 when there're sure signs of The Big PX Syndrome all over the place. LOL
{Of course you meant, "shoes". ~eh? LOL}
Holy cow—they’re not going to give themselves a 450-point SAT advantage by taking a prep class!
And black kids would relatively say the same thing about white kids.
Within the safe racial group, the brighter kids have more intellectual interests, on average, than the less-bright ones.
LOL!!!!!!
Well *you* may call the situation, "ironic", my friend, we Yanks call it equality. But I can appreciate your, ahhhhh, confusion. Because obviously you're confused. LOL!!!!!!
Think all that's nuts?
Just wait'll you SEE what passes for "diversity". LOL!!
You would make a sharp editor, that ‘shows’ vs ‘shoes’ typo went right past me, lol
SOOO in accordance with the topic of this thread, time for an MKJ politically incorrect joke (repeated for chuckles, not to make fun of anyone) going back a good 50 years:
Q - Why don’t they have telephones in China?
A - Because of Mr. Wong. Everyone is always “winging the wong number”
(groan) ;)
"SOOO in accordance with the topic of this thread, time for an MKJ politically incorrect joke (repeated for chuckles, not to make fun of anyone) going back a good 50 years:
Q - Why don’t they have telephones in China?
A - Because of Mr. Wong. Everyone is always 'winging the wong number' (groan) ;)
BWWWWHAAAAAA!!!
{{{{applause}}} Stand up Joe, take a bow!! LOL!!
Comedian, more joke box material here!
You got serious competition as it seems the ol' tome's really true: Everyone does want to get into the act. LOL!!
And for my next act...
Classified personal ad in Beijing newspaper:
“WANTED - 1000 lb Chinese cook, looking for 1000 lb Chinese waitress. Object: ‘Won Ton Soup’.
[cymbal crash] lol
Hey, thanks folks (budda boom budda bing), I’ll be here all week, try the veal!
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