But where are we really going?
Here:
Posted on 10/19/2009 1:02:53 PM PDT by Watchdog85
Senator Obama was nearly 17 minutes into his July 2, 2008, speech in Colorado Springs, Colorado when he deviated from his pre-released script and performed without the teleprompter net saying:
"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s
In January, without any recognizable corporate media coverage, Rep. Bob Filner, a California Democrat, introduced H.R. 675.
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h675/show
The bill would amend title 10 of the United States Code and extend to civilian employees of the Department of Defense the authority to execute warrants, make arrests, and carry firearms. The bill was referred to the Armed Services Committee on January 26, 2009. Filner’s bill would amend the United States code with the following: “Sec. 1585b. Law enforcement officers of the Department of Defense: authority to execute warrants, make arrests, and carry firearms… for any offense against the United States.”
The Posse Comitatus Act, passed on June 18, 1878, limits the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement. The Act prohibits members of the federal uniformed services from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain “law and order” on non-federal property within the United States. H.R. 675 sidesteps Posse Comitatus by defining “law enforcement officer of the Department of Defense” as “a civilian employee of the Department of Defense,” including federal police officers, detectives, criminal investigators, special agents, and game law enforcement officers classified by the Office of Personnel Management Occupational Series 0083 (the United States Office of Personnel Management is described as an “independent agency” of the U.S. government that manages the civil service of the federal government). I. e. the authorized personnel is not even military servicemen, but the “chosen” civilians mob.
The last move on H. R. 675 happened on Mar 15th when it was referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security. The reader might think that this is the end of it, but…
Circumventing any legislative process, just THREE days in new administration reign, "Civilian National Security Force" was already established by Department of Defense Directive 1404.10 (Number 1404.10). This Directive establishes a "DoD Civilian Expeditionary Workforce" and rescinds a prior directive dealing with the emergency use of civilian personnel.
The new 1404.10 cancels the prior directive of the same designation ("Emergency-Essential (E-E) DoD U.S. Citizen Civilian Employees"), which was issued in 1992 under President Clinton. The 1992 directive specifically deals with overseas deployments of civilian personnel. It does not mention terms like "restoration of order" or "stability operations", prominently featured in the new directive.
In fact, those functions are central to the mission of President Obama's new DoD Civilian Expeditionary Workforce:
Members of the DoD Civilian Expeditionary Workforce shall be organized, trained, cleared, equipped, and ready to deploy in support of combat operations by the military; contingencies; emergency operations; humanitarian missions; disaster relief; restoration of order; drug interdiction; and stability operations of the Department of Defense in accordance with DoDD 3000.05...
The 1992 directive mentions the term "overseas" no fewer than 33 times. The 2009 directive does not mention the term "overseas" in the body of the directive even once.
While we’re researching a dozen of 1000-page Health Care reform bills, which at worst will kick in in 2013, rallying against Tax&Trade, which nobody even understands, and sending petitions to our “representatives”, who do not listen and simply need to be thrown out of offices next year, the “Civilian” ARMY is quietly being built behind our backs. Who can guess what will be its role at Elections 2010?
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h675/show
Will have to be a very large force to be able to handle 150+ million well armed patriotic civilians. That’s what nobama didn’t count on.
By this I'm assuming Zer0 was thinking that ACORN employees will be DoD employees...
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This is where it begins. There is no way the planned, un-Constitutional social and economic coercions of the left can be enforced without a political police, a terror, or both.
Here is the seed.
Our most exalted leader gloats about his admiration of Chairman MAO. Perhaps Zero has forgotten a passage in the little RED BOOK, quotations from chairman MAO.
“Don’t spit in the soup, we all have to eat”
Not only have Zero and his minions spat in the soup, they have also defecated in it then wiped thier behinds and thrown the toilet paper in as well.
For them Rev. Wright’s prophesy “ the chickens are comming home to roost” is just around the corner.
But where are we really going?
Here:
Need FReepers to be diligent in detecting training, movements and large groups of people involved in this sort of organization but I was saying this since the first day he mentioned “Civilian Security Force”. I always carry camera, camcorder and er...yes, that too.
It doesn’t take long, figure the average military boot camp/basic training is almost three months (not counting advanced training and/or equivalent). However, goons may take less time...
ACORN with M-16’s
Redneck (no offense meant to those who are or aren’t, as I am one of them, and yes I know we don’t have the whole politically correct thing around here), but the Redneck Political model is alive and well.
IE: No politician can counter an armed bunch of rednecks that see their fellow countrymen being abused by elitists.
That means you are a terrorist.
I am READY.
To amend title 10, United States Code, to provide police officers, criminal investigators, and game law enforcement officers of the Department of Defense with authority to execute warrants,... (Introduced in House)
HR 675 IH
111th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 675
To amend title 10, United States Code, to provide police officers, criminal investigators, and game law enforcement officers of the Department of Defense with authority to execute warrants, make arrests, and carry firearms.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
January 26, 2009
Mr. FILNER introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Armed Services, and in addition to the Committee on the Judiciary, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned
A BILL
To amend title 10, United States Code, to provide police officers, criminal investigators, and game law enforcement officers of the Department of Defense with authority to execute warrants, make arrests, and carry firearms.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. AUTHORITY FOR POLICE OFFICERS, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATORS, AND GAME LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE TO EXECUTE WARRANTS, MAKE ARRESTS, AND CARRY FIREARMS.
(a) Authority- Chapter 81 of title 10, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new section:
`Sec. 1585b. Law enforcement officers of the Department of Defense: authority to execute warrants, make arrests, and carry firearms
`(a) Authority- The Secretary of Defense may authorize any law enforcement officer of the Department of Defense--
`(1) to execute and serve any warrant or other process issued under the authority of the United States;
`(2) to make arrests without a warrant--
`(A) for any offense against the United States committed in the presence of that officer; and
`(B) for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing the felony; and
`(3) to carry firearms.
`(b) Persons To Have Authority- Subsection (a) applies to any law enforcement officer of the Department of Defense whose duties include--
`(1) enforcing laws enacted for the protection of persons and property;
`(2) preventing breaches of the peace and suppressing affrays or unlawful assemblies;
`(3) conducting, supervising, or coordinating investigations of criminal activity in programs and operations of the Department of Defense; or
`(4) enforcing any rules or regulations with respect to Department of Defense property prescribed by duly authorized officials.
`(c) Guidelines on Exercise of Authority- The authority provided under subsection (a) shall be exercised in accordance with guidelines issued by the Secretary of Defense and approved by the Attorney General.
`(d) Definition of Law Enforcement Officer of the Department of Defense- In this section, the term `law enforcement officer of the Department of Defense' means a civilian employee of the Department of Defense who is any of the following:
`(1) A Federal police officer or detective as classified by the Office of Personnel Management Occupational Series 0083 (or any successor to that series).
`(2) A game law enforcement officer or special agent as classified by the Office of Personnel Management Occupational Series 1812 (or any successor to that series).
`(3) A criminal investigator as classified by the Office of Personnel Management Occupational Series 1811 (or any successor to that series) and not employed as a special agent of the Defense Criminal Investigative Service (or any successor to that service).'.
(b) Clerical Amendment- The table of sections at the beginning of such chapter is amended by adding at the end the following new item:
`1585b. Law enforcement officers of the Department of Defense: authority to execute warrants, make arrests, and carry firearms.'.
These are sworn federal civilian law enforcement officers just like DEA, FBI, BATF the Border Patrol and the NCIS. “Civilian” only indicates that they are not members of the military and subject to the UCMJ as would be the case of a military MP.
These are federal investigators subject all the same constitutional restrictions as any other federal agent.
As far as the DoD Civilian Expeditionary Workforce we have tens of thousands of US citizens all over the world some employees and many contractors every thing from aircraft mechanics to cooks. There is nothing sinister in that.
Lets focus on real issues like health care and cap and tax and not be distracted by this silly stuff.
Well, it is all part of a bigger scheme. Obama and the left bombards the citizens with all this at the same time to overwhelem everyone in hopes that we will get tired of fighting and roll over.
We can and must fight on all fronts. This is no little issue with this goverment. Everything they are trying to do will make the USA into some communist country.
Like GHWB said” We will not tired”
Ours is a noble fight.
Us Adirondack hillbillies already dealt with those revenooers here 80 years ago with our 30-30`s; c`mon- here`s bite of a Copperhead in your eye
OK, What the hell are they needed for?
What do we need cooks involved in this for?
1) to execute and serve any warrant or other process issued under the authority of the United States; `(2) to make arrests without a warrant-- `(A) for any offense against the United States committed in the presence of that officer; and `(B) for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing the felony; and `(3) to carry firearms. `(b) Persons To Have Authority- Subsection (a) applies to any law enforcement officer of the Department of Defense whose duties include-- `(1) enforcing laws enacted for the protection of persons and property; `(2) preventing breaches of the peace and suppressing affrays or unlawful assemblies; `(3) conducting, supervising, or coordinating investigations of criminal activity in programs and operations of the Department of Defense; or `(4) enforcing any rules or regulations with respect to Department of Defense property prescribed by duly authorized officials.
There is nothing notable in the list of authorities that any federal investigator does not already have.
The DoD Civilian Expeditionary Workforce is a completely different program and gives no law enforcement authority to anyone such as cooks. As I said DOD is the largest employer of civilians in the federal government and with our never ending overseas adventures they are deployed all over the world.
By weaving the two together the author is attempting to create the appearance of some sinister plot to grant LEO powers to some civilian DOD workforce. It simply would not be legal or remotely constitutional.
I am not defending the administration but this line of attack makes FR look silly. There are plenty of real sinister plots they are working on like taking total control of the economy. IMHO these distractions are not helpful.
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Sorry, your rationality will be overlooked by those seeing conspiracy in a bowl of pea soup.
We saw this same crap in the 1990s with Clinton - Russian tanks moving on flatcars, concentration camps, electric guillotines and Chinese troops massed in Mexico.
If the fat whales in ACORN are king obuma’s “army,” I fear I won’t be sufficiently armed because I don’t have harpoons in my arsenal.
HR675 doesn’t even have any cosponsors!
Actually, you were the one that wove the two together by bringing up cooks, etc. If there is nothing notable, what would be the need for legislation?
This is another reason why BO is anxious to grant amnesty to illegal aliens. They have no allegiance to the U.S., therefore wouldn’t have any problem going after American citizens especially since they would be paid more than they do in their home country by becoming part of BO’s brown shirts.
I hope they wear bright uniforms so we can walk up and say hi.
And you know what they are using for “Miracle Grow”, right???
To me it just kinda sucks that the next worse enemy we have against the citizens of this country is our own government...Second only to islamic extremists...
(For example: unlawful assembly - normally local police should be able to handle this just fine, but the DOD is given power to arrest in this situation).
Any feedback would be great since It's good to read both sides. Thx.
Betin they will prefer to wear SWAT black, gotta impress da hos and bros when they ain’t on da job.
We Rednecks same as those old Minutemen won’t give a hoot if they are in ninja black, British red coats or “seiu blue”, 30:06 all fit the same.
Wow. I really want Eric Holder or his successor deciding what this means.
I’d be happy if somebody just defined “affrays.” If I don’t know what it is, how would I know I’m doing it?
In my reading of the bill, there are no new LEO positions (job descriptions) created by the bill. The bill only authorizes DOD to hire federal investigator positions that already exist.
An example is the authorization for DOD to hire game law enforcement officers. Why would DOD need game law enforcement officers? Probably because in some areas they are having a problem with people coming onto military reservations and poaching.
Who would prosecute such people, state and locals don’t have jurisdiction. Federal game wardens work for either BLM or the USFS and they don’t have jurisdiction on a military base either nor are they present. The military can’t arrest and prosecute civilians as their enforcement authority is limited to those under the UCMJ. I expect presently they have to refer all such cases to the FBI who are probably less than enthusiastic about responding as they have better things to do.
These positions have already been established and classified by the Office of Personnel Management and they operate in just about every federal department. The bill simply authorizes DOD to now hire their own.
No federal agents/investigators have blanket federal authority. Even the FBI which probably has the broadest authority must refer drug cases to the DEA. The DEA must refer currency violations to the Secret Service and so on. Everyone must stay in their lane and big fights accrue when there is even a perception that someone is playing in someone else’s pond.
Thus a DOD investigator would have broad authority on a military base and almost none off base because some other agency would already have it covered.
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